the analysis was good.
i will expend care not to use direct words like 'no'. however i will try remaining unbiased, because i dont want to persuade anyone. the stuff i am attempting to discuss goes around the borderline of being infringement on other adepts' work. if i remember right, ra didnt relay much information regarding these, especially work of 7d, to refrain from infringing on the work of the adepts that were going to read the material.
in another note, some subjects are too sensitive for people of certain groups. for example, imagine a thread discussing the orion influence in middle eastern religions. ra outright says that ten commandments were delivered by a negative orion group who have passed the quarantine. not only that but they continued influencing the area for some time more, probably creating various event chains that found their way to various philosophies/religions from the area. even proposal of such things may be too much for certain individuals. and when seeing such a discussion, they may get aggravated and aggressive, nomatter how much love you pour into the subject. its conditioning. it is inevitable that these people will have to leave those attachments behind, and stop identifying with those if they want to move forward. most of us, i guess, have done it. i myself have done it and took a considerable time. however im glad i did it.
but, there are probably countries even, in which possessing books like Ra, or other channeled material is possibly illegal. blasphemy punishable by law. back in 1980s, there could be no contact with people of those countries, and people of others. but now there is internet. these people can easily find places like this forum, meeting with material they cant even dare possessing and talking about in their countries openly. and these people may have reactions. on one side stands the appeasement of them, by stifling discussion of such sensitive subjects, on the other hand stands the free flow of energies and information.
as for me, im not expecting anything from anyone. im not expecting love, or respect or attention or anything like these. someone who is not ready to think about or does not like what im saying thinking 'some random schmuck' about me and easily ignoring me is much more desirable than loving me or getting affected by my compassion and then warming up to some ideas and though that s/he isnt ready for or compatible with.
im doing as such, when i see a train of thought that is not going to produce anything. i just drop them then.
they definitely are. knowledge of the workings of energy bodies, energy centers, their spiritual meanings, metaphysical meanings, the work of healing by using these are all higher density work. i would venture far to say that late 4d to 5d. it is, basically, working on energies to reshape energy models, provided that the recipient accepts.
if we bring the pyramid into the equation, it becomes even more so. it is a metaphysical structure that has various delicate properties that can be used for various aims. especially one of the uses is the initiation of the adept in the room at the bottom of the pyramid. 'adept' is no 3d concept, or business.
and remember how Ra says that the aim of the king's room is to disrupt the violet ray of the entity that is to be healed, and then the healer can work on fixing the blockages. and remember how Ra also says, a sufficiently balanced entity is like a portable king's room himself/herself. that places the function of king's room as 7th ray. which is, naturally, not 3d at all.
that is great, and this was one of the aims.
on the contrary. im reiterating some concepts, because the concept needs precise identification not to leave for any mistakes :
you do realize that the 'astralification' is a gradual process, but, you still also say that we are all one, and we are timeless, even as in 3d. (or passing into 4d). im reiterating because that is in our future, not our present. we are only X amount 'one' and timeless as of now. if it was otherwise, there would be no physical existence, there would be no movement (everything would be in the same place) hence, there would be no time, and consequently there would be nothing at all.
this is the reason for my reiteration.
i remember many cases in which moving about in time was discussed in Ra. a direct example in book 5 is Ra going back in time in time/space to see what was causing the malfunction of the tape recorder.
in various places 'time being less a factor' was mentioned too.
but, being able to go back/forth in time is not same with timeless. time, basically as we know it, is the change of existence. things move in position compared to each other, energies change to various other forms or densities or vibrations, ie, change occurs, and therefore there is a measurable difference in between the point in past, and point in present. when everything is truly one, there will be no change. no movement. no time. because everything will be 'none'.
however this will never happen for us. what Ra calls intelligent infinity, some call creator, ie, 'us', is not infinity itself. it is one step below infinity. (remember how Ra described creation came into being in the first pages of first books). so, we will never be truly timeless, but, probably get very close to it.
as for 7d and on getting near timeless, it is a direct corollary : since the infinite intelligence, (aka 'creator') is the closest thing to infinity that exists, when any entity goes back to it, and becomes one with it (increasing its spiritual mass according to the einstein's equation in the process, as don noted), it will become close to infinite. meaning, it will be everything, and therefore because it is everything, time, will cease to exist for it (as much as you can approximate infinity as infinite intelligence), also the space will cease to exist. so, timelessness will be real. however, these all will be real for anything that is inside it, smaller than it (the non infinite).
the point here is that - note how such an act, ie, instigating, supporting an armed conflict for a revolution would be seen as negative, self serving, evil by many who maintain unbounded love to be the purpose of wanderers.
i will expend care not to use direct words like 'no'. however i will try remaining unbiased, because i dont want to persuade anyone. the stuff i am attempting to discuss goes around the borderline of being infringement on other adepts' work. if i remember right, ra didnt relay much information regarding these, especially work of 7d, to refrain from infringing on the work of the adepts that were going to read the material.
in another note, some subjects are too sensitive for people of certain groups. for example, imagine a thread discussing the orion influence in middle eastern religions. ra outright says that ten commandments were delivered by a negative orion group who have passed the quarantine. not only that but they continued influencing the area for some time more, probably creating various event chains that found their way to various philosophies/religions from the area. even proposal of such things may be too much for certain individuals. and when seeing such a discussion, they may get aggravated and aggressive, nomatter how much love you pour into the subject. its conditioning. it is inevitable that these people will have to leave those attachments behind, and stop identifying with those if they want to move forward. most of us, i guess, have done it. i myself have done it and took a considerable time. however im glad i did it.
but, there are probably countries even, in which possessing books like Ra, or other channeled material is possibly illegal. blasphemy punishable by law. back in 1980s, there could be no contact with people of those countries, and people of others. but now there is internet. these people can easily find places like this forum, meeting with material they cant even dare possessing and talking about in their countries openly. and these people may have reactions. on one side stands the appeasement of them, by stifling discussion of such sensitive subjects, on the other hand stands the free flow of energies and information.
as for me, im not expecting anything from anyone. im not expecting love, or respect or attention or anything like these. someone who is not ready to think about or does not like what im saying thinking 'some random schmuck' about me and easily ignoring me is much more desirable than loving me or getting affected by my compassion and then warming up to some ideas and though that s/he isnt ready for or compatible with.
(06-23-2010, 04:51 AM)Namaste Wrote: o will add openly and honestly that in my personal opinion, some of unity's writings contain language and structure that give hints to frustration/impatience/attachment. (Edit: this is an observation, not a form of judgment.) Some points I have made seem to be ignored then echoed back in another form. How we, as members, react to our own projections, are our own issues or non-issues :¬)
im doing as such, when i see a train of thought that is not going to produce anything. i just drop them then.
Quote:I did say I wasn't going to continue this train of thought, but a question would help us (and others) understand each other better. Can you clarify whether my assumption of your definition of wisdom is this please? Information learned from sources, about, or describing higher density lessons or messages. In such, do you consider information about energy rays, healing, pyramids, to be higher density wisdom?
they definitely are. knowledge of the workings of energy bodies, energy centers, their spiritual meanings, metaphysical meanings, the work of healing by using these are all higher density work. i would venture far to say that late 4d to 5d. it is, basically, working on energies to reshape energy models, provided that the recipient accepts.
if we bring the pyramid into the equation, it becomes even more so. it is a metaphysical structure that has various delicate properties that can be used for various aims. especially one of the uses is the initiation of the adept in the room at the bottom of the pyramid. 'adept' is no 3d concept, or business.
and remember how Ra says that the aim of the king's room is to disrupt the violet ray of the entity that is to be healed, and then the healer can work on fixing the blockages. and remember how Ra also says, a sufficiently balanced entity is like a portable king's room himself/herself. that places the function of king's room as 7th ray. which is, naturally, not 3d at all.
Quote:It does, and as I have mentioned, it has helped me also.
that is great, and this was one of the aims.
Quote:This is the exact notion I was trying to put forward, brother. As we progress through fourth density, the past and the future will become less apparent. The words 'progress' and 'less apparent' were intended to indicate a gradual change.
May I suggest brother, that you give my (and others) comments a little bit more time/consideration before responding, as it seems some points are being missed and then re-iterated in the form of being corrected.
on the contrary. im reiterating some concepts, because the concept needs precise identification not to leave for any mistakes :
you do realize that the 'astralification' is a gradual process, but, you still also say that we are all one, and we are timeless, even as in 3d. (or passing into 4d). im reiterating because that is in our future, not our present. we are only X amount 'one' and timeless as of now. if it was otherwise, there would be no physical existence, there would be no movement (everything would be in the same place) hence, there would be no time, and consequently there would be nothing at all.
this is the reason for my reiteration.
Quote:Not sure about this, I do not recall a specific Ra quote mentioning it. A couple of other sources I trust have hinted towards late 4D and 5D being timeless. This is an area in which I try to refrain forming too crystalised an opinion on until I have experienced it, or had a download/realisation regarding it, myself.
i remember many cases in which moving about in time was discussed in Ra. a direct example in book 5 is Ra going back in time in time/space to see what was causing the malfunction of the tape recorder.
in various places 'time being less a factor' was mentioned too.
but, being able to go back/forth in time is not same with timeless. time, basically as we know it, is the change of existence. things move in position compared to each other, energies change to various other forms or densities or vibrations, ie, change occurs, and therefore there is a measurable difference in between the point in past, and point in present. when everything is truly one, there will be no change. no movement. no time. because everything will be 'none'.
however this will never happen for us. what Ra calls intelligent infinity, some call creator, ie, 'us', is not infinity itself. it is one step below infinity. (remember how Ra described creation came into being in the first pages of first books). so, we will never be truly timeless, but, probably get very close to it.
as for 7d and on getting near timeless, it is a direct corollary : since the infinite intelligence, (aka 'creator') is the closest thing to infinity that exists, when any entity goes back to it, and becomes one with it (increasing its spiritual mass according to the einstein's equation in the process, as don noted), it will become close to infinite. meaning, it will be everything, and therefore because it is everything, time, will cease to exist for it (as much as you can approximate infinity as infinite intelligence), also the space will cease to exist. so, timelessness will be real. however, these all will be real for anything that is inside it, smaller than it (the non infinite).
Quote:This does not imply that operating from the heart is not part of the plan. This implies that they focused on a specific function. Here are some Q'uo quotes to give you something to consider about the lessons of love in this density.
the point here is that - note how such an act, ie, instigating, supporting an armed conflict for a revolution would be seen as negative, self serving, evil by many who maintain unbounded love to be the purpose of wanderers.