06-18-2014, 01:44 AM
(06-17-2014, 04:23 PM)Adonai One Wrote: We are deterministic creatures. Everything will be spawned and return to timelessness and there is nothing we can do about it.
Will is a choice and choice is unconciousness of timelessness.
Effort is unneccessary in my view. We will just have to disagree.
I think you and I have a different understanding of what "effort" is. To me, all of will is effort, so all of the creator's experience of itself is effort. If I understand correctly, you are saying effort in regards to 'extraneous will' or doing anything other than being pulled/pushed along the path of least resistance? Effort, in my mind, is not 'necessary' either, because it is fundamental, foundation but let us not fool ourselves in to thinking that because effort is inherent in all action that it is anything less or more than effort. Am I correct that you are more referring to seemingly extraneous will or effort which is beyond that which is inherent (although if everything is inherent as you say I don't understand how such a thing could be possible even as an interpretation because thus all interpretations are also inherent)?