(06-16-2014, 07:13 PM)vervex Wrote: I cannot provide any proof but I can share a personal experience, perhaps: I have experienced a state and memory in meditation which had me without body nor spirit. I experienced a state of pure thought, pure mind - no vessel of any kind. There was no radiance of light even. Additionally, "space" as we term it felt like a vacuum; it was perceived yet was non-existent.
You are free to interpret this as you wish, however I perceive the mind, body and spirit to be different manifestations/abstractions of the one. How do you see it?
So how do you personally define mind, body, and spirit vervex?
(06-16-2014, 06:02 PM)Adonai One Wrote: I am not overcoming if I accept the desire so far as to be satisfied within desiring.
I am satisfied yet I desire at once. Desire satisfies me inherently, even not met.
Suppression would be me avoiding my desires entirely and saying they are meaningless. My desires have meaning fulfilled and unfulfilled.
I think you and I have different understandings of what "satisfaction" constitutes exactly.
I don't deny that you can feel a certain satisfaction in desire itself. We are desires enfolded in desires enfolded in desires enfolded in desires. And the desire, or preference, to feel desire, is a certain kind of subtle desire in its own right that is met simply by having desire, and I fully agree with that. But there are other forms of satisfaction that are not met with just that level of desire.
Desire is momentum in consciousness. The difference between will and desire is that will is desire made predominantly conscious.
If one were truly satisfied, in all respects, they wouldn't have desires in the first place. Dissatisfaction is the fuel for the athanor of growth. It compels us forward, and is part of the deliberate design of our density. Desire. or "wanting something", validates the reality of "not having" or lack. You don't desire what you already possess. But you can appreciate it. Which is kind of like the "abundance" side of the vibrational equation.
So we could say there is both satisfaction, and dissatisfaction present in all people in varying degrees. We are always in a process of expansion from the vibration of not having to the vibration of having. You experience catalytic contrast, desires are born, higher self become the vibrational equivalent of them, and we tune our thoughts which manifest into real world actions until we also find the vibration of having whatever it is we are desiring.
"It is not until there is a reason to wish to excel that most entities will attempt to excel."
"We may suggest that in order to progress, a state of some dissatisfaction will be present, thus giving the entity the stimulus for further seeking."
It seems from some of your posts, that you are trying to get out of this "growth" business. Perhaps I'm misreading you, but my current understanding is that growth is why we exist as we do.
Cheers, Adonai.