(05-29-2010, 11:08 AM)unity100 Wrote:(05-29-2010, 04:13 AM)Turtle Wrote: Yeah, I was only speaking about those like us who are incarnated...WE definitely have to die a physical death before we can get harvested. Different story for the non-incarnated ones.
my understanding/suspicion with this is that; there wont be a particular necessity for death for getting harvested for the incarnated 4d or higher souls.
when the planet aligns to 4d vibrations around 2011-2012 (or 2010, whenever, i dont know) or something, 4d souls will be already living in a 4d vibrating world, alive, incarnated. there wont be any reason to have them die.
harvest can happen while they are asleep, or any other means, in my opinion. after all, its (4 harvest) basically a test to see how close to a strong light source (probably from the next octave, By the way) a soul can get.
the guy/gal sleeps, you take him/her to a portion in astral plane, you set the harvest setup up, the individual moves towards the light source, you determine the exact step s/he stopped, and voila, you get your harvest.
s/he may or may not remember it when woken up, s/he may or may not feel a great love and compassion and a sense of oneness after waking up, it all depends on what the soul chooses.
but then, what the situation of souls, that are wanderers and from 5d and higher will be, that, i dont know.
when the clock ticks, they will be living in a 3-4d body, in a 4d world. as a 5th or higher individual.
RA: You must see the Earth as being 7 planets. There is red, orange, yellow, and there will soon be a completed green color vibratory locus for 4th density entities which they will call Earth. DURING THE 4TH DENSITY EXPERIENCE, THE 3RD DENSITY SPHERE IS NOT USEFUL FOR HABITATION, (i.e. by 3rd density beings) because the early 4th density entity will not know precisely how to remain undetectable by 3rd density. Thus in 4th density the red, orange and green energy nexi (centers) of your planet will be activated while the yellow is in potentiation along with blue and indigo.
So how it will happen I am not sure. But according to this, it seems that when this planet has struck the hour (being in 2011, Ra counted 30 years from 1981 sessions) 3rd density earth will not be sustaining ANY life whatsoever. I think this is why David Wilcock is a firm believer that there will be "mass ascension" which really means everyone is going to be harvested at the same time and go to their personalized inner plane experience of the spiral of light...and then go to their proper density to continue experiencing existence.
and then this..
QUESTION: As this transition continues into 4th density activation, in order to inhabit this 4th density earth it will be necessary for all 3rd density physical bodies to go through the process which we refer to as death. Is this correct? (B3, S63, 92)
RA: This is correct.
And then David's quote just under that...
[NOTE: This is the most widely misunderstood quote in the Law of One series. Context reveals that Ra is referring to a transmutation, not any type of death as we would normally think of it. This is an ecstatic feeling -- the most incredible moment of any lifetime you've ever had as a human being.
Elsewhere Ra says you CAN reconstitute your third-density body after this happens if you so choose -- you simply have to focus on a "more difficult configuration" to get it back.
Through Wilcock, Ra further revealed that there will be an ET-assisted transition off of the Earth plane prior to the 20-degree polar realignment. This highly joyful and even ecstatic transition will not seem like death at all, even though the time of 3rd density incarnation will come to a natural and unseen end along the way.]
The only confusing part about all of this then for me, is just HOW everyone is going to experience this shift. Will it be that in one second, every single person on earth just leaves their physical body and is then joined by their guides and walked on the spiral of light to determine their next path? Does the veil just DROP like this for everyone instantly? How does this look if you were to be able to view 3d earth; as an outsider would it look like every person on earth just dropped dead in their tracks simultaneously? I don't know...
Godspeed!
PS...not to mention I just read above in this thread how Ra has difficulty with our time/space, and that this 2011 date is an approximation/probability/possibility. WTF?!?! Lol.