03-17-2014, 11:01 AM
(This post was last modified: 03-17-2014, 11:44 AM by Steppingfeet.)
Icaro wrote: "I believe that can only be done by encountering your reflection."
Hi Icaro, would it make sense to change the word "only" to "most efficiently" in that sentence? I would like to think that even in the absence of the reflection other selves offer (other selves of ones own density, not talking about coconut trees and koala bears here) will and faith can still be developed, polarity can still be gained.
Though it becomes much more difficult to think about polarization in the absence of other selves. Like trying to bake bread without heat.
(Ra does say that isolation from others is a means of evolution in fifth density, but, if memory serves, they describe that process as one of intensification rather than polarization.)
Then there is the idea of "all-sufficient" that speaks to the potential non-necessity of other selves. Ra describes catalyst, whether originating from the proximate source of other selves of the primary source of the self, as being designed to engender the realization of the "all-sufficient Creator containing all that there is and full of joy". http://www.lawofone.info/results.php?q=34.6
I highlight "all-sufficient" here to bring attention to the allness of self that does not precisely "need" other selves. Perhaps it is as Tolle discusses suffering: suffering is needed only till it is realized that suffering is not needed. Likewise with the reflections offered by other selves?
Icaro wrote: "So I would say the experience of discovering a jewel can only be done by dealing with others. While there is that internal process, I think it is the interface between self and other that builds a type of strength which empowers the seeking process described in 10.14."
I think we're on the same page, but just to expound a bit more... the idea of "within" that I'm working with isn't within to the exclusion of working with or relating to other selves.
I agree with you that the catalyst (reflection) provided by other selves is absolutely fundamental to evolution of the third density entity, especially as it facilitates polarization and the development of will & faith, but the relationship between self and other self nevertheless transpires in a context or framework of going within.
In the sense I described in my previous post, *all* things are "within", so to speak, including the dance between selves of the same density. I don't necessarily intend "going within" to mean literally or figuratively stepping into a cave and avoiding people like mountain lions. Rather, seeing that all things, including and especially relationship with others, happens within ones awareness; and in that respect it is only by going within and seeking the source of that awareness (motivated by the fuel that other selves provide the process) that realization of self results.
Or something like that.
I love seeing the fruit of working with others as a "jewel". Thanks for reintroducing that thought back into the brain. : )
Hi Icaro, would it make sense to change the word "only" to "most efficiently" in that sentence? I would like to think that even in the absence of the reflection other selves offer (other selves of ones own density, not talking about coconut trees and koala bears here) will and faith can still be developed, polarity can still be gained.
Though it becomes much more difficult to think about polarization in the absence of other selves. Like trying to bake bread without heat.
(Ra does say that isolation from others is a means of evolution in fifth density, but, if memory serves, they describe that process as one of intensification rather than polarization.)
Then there is the idea of "all-sufficient" that speaks to the potential non-necessity of other selves. Ra describes catalyst, whether originating from the proximate source of other selves of the primary source of the self, as being designed to engender the realization of the "all-sufficient Creator containing all that there is and full of joy". http://www.lawofone.info/results.php?q=34.6
I highlight "all-sufficient" here to bring attention to the allness of self that does not precisely "need" other selves. Perhaps it is as Tolle discusses suffering: suffering is needed only till it is realized that suffering is not needed. Likewise with the reflections offered by other selves?
Icaro wrote: "So I would say the experience of discovering a jewel can only be done by dealing with others. While there is that internal process, I think it is the interface between self and other that builds a type of strength which empowers the seeking process described in 10.14."
I think we're on the same page, but just to expound a bit more... the idea of "within" that I'm working with isn't within to the exclusion of working with or relating to other selves.
I agree with you that the catalyst (reflection) provided by other selves is absolutely fundamental to evolution of the third density entity, especially as it facilitates polarization and the development of will & faith, but the relationship between self and other self nevertheless transpires in a context or framework of going within.
In the sense I described in my previous post, *all* things are "within", so to speak, including the dance between selves of the same density. I don't necessarily intend "going within" to mean literally or figuratively stepping into a cave and avoiding people like mountain lions. Rather, seeing that all things, including and especially relationship with others, happens within ones awareness; and in that respect it is only by going within and seeking the source of that awareness (motivated by the fuel that other selves provide the process) that realization of self results.
Or something like that.
I love seeing the fruit of working with others as a "jewel". Thanks for reintroducing that thought back into the brain. : )
Explanation by the tongue makes most things clear, but love unexplained is clearer. - Rumi