01-20-2014, 05:27 AM
(01-20-2014, 02:50 AM)Tanner Wrote: Who is to say that those who have achieved fame in any form have not also lived many mundane lives? Also, there are thousands, maybe millions of famous humans, and each of these is an entity which will probably have incarnated again.
I think that's a reasonable assertion, I don't know where I would've put forth an idea that contradicted that.
Quote:I see perfectly well the perception and interpretation of it as something of a 'compensation' for perceived lacks in the self. However, on the other hand, the apparently "realistic" view actually appears to me to be more pessimistic than anything else because it says to the self, "How could you have ever been anyone of importance?" Those who refute claims of famous past lives could possibly be doing so from a point of jealousy or self-minimization, no?
The view I'm putting forward is not saying "you are not worthy of being a famous person in a past life" rather that fame is not worthy of the importance many people give it and that whoever people were was important, and ultimately it's all fed to the most important life yet; this one. To quote myself "you're all valuable" and valuable is synonymous with important in that context.
Quote:I do not know with absolutely certainty the truth of any past lives of anyone, especially because I believe all lives to actually be parallel and that "past" and "future" is a contextual description of location in time/space.Belief in parallel realities where we have all been everyone seems like a dangerously fanatical cop out for me, though we are all entitled to opinions I spose. Though I agree, I'm not sure it's something most people can know for certain. I have seen many lives of this sphere, not mine, I wish more people would see the beauty in the humble human life so they don't go chasing these notions of fame, fortune and influence.
Quote:Here is one for you, what about people that are becoming famous now? Do you think maybe a couple incarnations down the line they will remember and people will never believe them? What about the people who only got famous after they died?
Of course there will be fools unwilling to make themselves worthy of self value in the future but you can only hope that fools who persist in their folly will become wise.
Quote:The problem I think is that, as you said, in a cult of celebrity oriented society such individuals are made to be "larger than life" and I think this is also the reason why it is considered "unrealistic" for anyone to claim famous past lives.
Yeah, also the slim pickings of famous people make a few thousand people each day think they were cleopatra lol. I went through a period in my life were I was perceiving myself to be getting serious signs that I was a man named "Aleister Crowley" who I knew nothing about at the time but then I come here and see multiple posters thinking the same thing and this is just on a small website lol. I'm pretty sure you even thought you were the beast at one point. Though on that point, if anyone from this website was Aleister Crowley it was me lol no two ways about it, you guys lack the fang of the beast. Same reason I cannot subscribe to the view of being a philosopher of ancient greece, to adopt the belief would serve naught but my arrogance.
Quote:For me, I cannot say what is "right". To me health is not about being just objectively stable in a social environment, but being at peace with all of your self-perceptions. True or not, these beliefs have an impact on people and the decisions they make in their lives. In many cases they have spurned individuals to want to grow, but it is true sometimes they are used as an attempt to gain some form of authority, intentionally or not.
Yes, they do have a substantial impact on people's perception so why let someone hold an idea which is most likely wrong, giving them a false perspective of the world and themselves without informing them of the possibility? I'm not talking about getting preachy just if someone tells you they are a fairy it might be the loving thing to tell them that they are in fact a human being, a thing in itself worth celebrating.
Quote:For me, when I look in to these things I just try to see people. Not famous people, or "normal" people or magical people or divine people or powerful or weak or any other adjective applied to the person. I just see people. When I just look at people, devoid of attachment to any trait or characteristic, I feel I have the clearest awareness of the ties my consciousness has to other versions of myself in time/space.
Anyways, just my thoughts and an amusing ramble, maybe I am just kooky! Aha
Yeah, but why assume the possible to be reality just because you like the possibility?
Not to call A1 out on this but first he was a psychic then a scientist then a sorcerer then a Ra wanderer and now a list of some of the most influential people on the planet who he seems to enjoy (the only reason Jesus isn't on that list is because A1 doesn't like Christianity) and none of these identities were mutually exclusive but he is saying he was all of them, which just isn't true. It's a self discovery thing, but you want to find yourself not reflections of a broken mirror. At the end of the day you just become yourself, not who you were.
Quote:I feel nothing wrong with them. I approve of everything, Fang, as I believe in the Law of One. All is inherently accepted and united.I'm not talking about a black/white approve/disapprove thing, I mean surely you have a higher degree of approval of Laozi who you have quoted here as a source of high quality wisdom than a guy walking up and punching you in the face lol, the Law of One in action.