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    Steppingfeet (Offline)

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    04-20-2010, 07:55 PM
    Hey Lavazza,

    As is to be expected of me, I have the characteristic over-reply to offer. Apologies in advance for any suffering this may cause if you risk the reading. : )


    (04-19-2010, 10:56 AM)Lavazza Wrote: All language is as you say, a symbol pointing to something else. A mountain is for example, meaningless. But the word "mountain" has meaning, it's pointing to that large rocky thing with snow on top over there by the horizon. I can only imagine that Ra had to work carefully with English since it is noun based, and more over, created and used to describe finite concepts.


    I've never made a study of linguistics (or bothered to learn another language) so I'm rather ignorant in knowing the comparative peculiarities of English, but I think it true to say that all language is, as you say, "used to describe finite concepts", but even more so, language intrinsically IS a finite concept. It divides, separates, and creates a finite world which, ultimately, does not exist... at least not like we think it does.

    It is indistinguishable from duality, illusion, space and time, and the finite. Language does not know the infinite, the best it can do is say, “See through me”, or “Go beyond me” or “Proceed in that direction”.


    Quote:of this said, I *still* would like to see a plain English Law of One. I'm stubborn that way. Smile


    I can totally understand and see the need. I was just emphasizing that no matter who did it or how it was done, it could begin only with the expression, "This is my (or our) *interpretation* of the Law of One."

    In my humble preference, I think it best for the meeting between Ra's communication and the seeker be as pure as possible, allowing the seeker to come face-to-face with the words as they stand so that the seeker might judge for him or herself the value, meaning, and applicability of the words.

    Then again, we all at times need guides to help us navigate the unknown or unfamiliar. I often need people to break down concepts for me, especially when it comes to cars, economics, and how they got the miniature sailing vessel into the glass bottle.


    Quote:But in the larger scope, I very much appreciate the integrity behind the desire to not translate it.


    Thanks. In and of itself the Law of One is, what I would call, a source text. Again, I am not elevating it to the level of absolute, objective, incontrovertible truth. (No words can occupy that position.) And I’m *definitely* not placing it in the realm of religion and theology. But, while much religious understanding is rooted in personal revelation, I think that certain seed religious concepts have a source in common with the Law of One material. Both came from “outside” the human, third-density sphere. In the case Law of One, though, you get the material in as pristine a form as possible, minus virtually all human layering. That is truly what distinguishes it and gives the material its unique and recognizable identity – its non-human source.

    Let me illustrate why I personally prefer that the material be studied on its own terms without a whole cloth translation from the middle man.

    An individual contacted L/L Research a year ago with an offer of $10,000 to purchase the rights to be able to “translate” the Law of One material into simpler and more streamlined terms. The individual was well-intentioned and, by all appearances, was not seeking to make a profit or aggrandize him or herself.

    In the process of working with this person, we performed a random spot check of their translation work. We noticed that this section from Session 52:

    Ra:The second-ranking lessons are learn/taught in meditation and in service. At some point the mind/body/spirit complex is so smoothly activated and balanced by these central thoughts or distortions that the techniques you have mentioned become quite significant.

    Became in their translation:

    Always begin and end in the Creator, not in technique. At some point the mind, body, spirit complex is so smoothly activated and balanced by the central thoughts of unity, love, light, and joy that the techniques become quite insignificant.

    Can you spot the significant difference?

    In the Law of One books, Ra states that the techniques, though secondary to the more central consideration of setting the heart and mind upon unity, are indeed significant once the entity has committed its whole self (as I interpret it) to knowing and becoming the One.

    In the translator’s version, Ra’s statement is reversed and the techniques move from significant to being “insignificant”.

    When this was pointed out to the translator, the person politely invoked the notion of “dogma” with a finger in our direction. And that’s where we declined the money and the possibility of the translation ended

    Were we insisting that what Ra had to say is truth – not be questioned or critiqued but instead followed blindly – we could be accused of becoming dogmatic.

    To desire to protect the material from being painted over with an unintended layer of personality-coloring is only to encourage a study of the material as it is so that the seeker may find for him or herself what is being said.

    Each reader will naturally reach their own conclusion, and as a community we can all help one another to find the place where Ra’s intended meaning and our own interpretation intersect. Some of our individual interpretations may be “better” (in the sense of penetrating more deeply into the patterns and communicating it in a way which is helpful to others), but no one individual or group’s interpretation can be objective and definitive. Even L/L Research’s. Though all students of any philosophy would do well to give ear to those who have made a life of studying its pages and living by its espoused principles.

    It’s one thing when teachers like Carla or Scott or others draw upon the material in their teaching, and offer their rather extremely helpful interpretations of the material, quite another when some individual or group rewrites the Law of One and presents the translation as Ra translated, becoming an interface between the seeker and Ra’s words.

    I don’t know. Maybe I’m off. If anyone is in disagreement, please feel free to chime in!


    Quote:Likely in a few hundred years it would become corrupt in some way, although the importance of that is debatable since we're moving in to a new density where many of the concepts explained in the Law of One books will be available to all though direct experience.


    What will happen to our accumulated understandings is a good question. Direct experience may make moot anything printed in a book or communicated in outward form. But to whatever extent the material does survive and is helpful in its printed form, I hope it remains as uncorrupted as possible, clear and sparkling in its original rendering.


    Quote:(P.S. Gary... wanderer story is still cooking, but nearly done now. Just needs some trimmings!)

    You are so down to the wire man… = )

    Explanation by the tongue makes most things clear, but love unexplained is clearer. - Rumi

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    Resources that are strictly Law of One - by Steppingfeet - 04-08-2010, 09:03 PM
    RE: Resources that are strictly Law of One - by Peregrinus - 04-09-2010, 12:41 AM
    RE: Resources that are strictly Law of One - by Lavazza - 04-12-2010, 10:50 AM
    RE: Resources that are strictly Law of One - by thefool - 04-13-2010, 11:34 AM
    RE: Resources that are strictly Law of One - by Steppingfeet - 04-13-2010, 05:29 PM
    RE: Resources that are strictly Law of One - by Namaste - 04-16-2010, 07:31 PM
    RE: Resources that are strictly Law of One - by Lavazza - 04-19-2010, 10:56 AM
    RE: Resources that are strictly Law of One - by Steppingfeet - 04-20-2010, 07:55 PM
    RE: Resources that are strictly Law of One - by 3D Sunset - 04-21-2010, 12:11 PM
    RE: Resources that are strictly Law of One - by Lavazza - 04-21-2010, 02:21 PM
    RE: Resources that are strictly Law of One - by 3D Sunset - 04-22-2010, 11:33 AM
    RE: Resources that are strictly Law of One - by βαθμιαίος - 04-22-2010, 01:21 PM
    RE: Resources that are strictly Law of One - by 3D Sunset - 04-22-2010, 03:26 PM
    RE: Resources that are strictly Law of One - by Lavazza - 04-23-2010, 10:52 AM
    RE: Resources that are strictly Law of One - by otherself-jesse - 04-23-2010, 03:33 PM
    RE: Resources that are strictly Law of One - by βαθμιαίος - 04-23-2010, 05:04 PM
    RE: Resources that are strictly Law of One - by Peregrinus - 04-24-2010, 01:26 AM
    RE: Resources that are strictly Law of One - by Steppingfeet - 04-24-2010, 08:46 PM
    RE: Resources that are strictly Law of One - by kycahi - 04-26-2010, 01:27 AM
    RE: Resources that are strictly Law of One - by Lavazza - 04-26-2010, 04:25 PM
    RE: Resources that are strictly Law of One - by Steppingfeet - 04-26-2010, 05:26 PM
    RE: Resources that are strictly Law of One - by otherself-jesse - 04-26-2010, 09:15 PM
    RE: Resources that are strictly Law of One - by Lavazza - 04-27-2010, 12:20 AM
    RE: Resources that are strictly Law of One - by 3D Sunset - 04-27-2010, 10:26 AM
    RE: Resources that are strictly Law of One - by Quincunx - 01-17-2022, 02:08 AM
    RE: Resources that are strictly Law of One - by kycahi - 04-26-2010, 08:48 PM
    RE: Resources that are strictly Law of One - by Quincunx - 01-17-2022, 01:26 AM
    RE: Resources that are strictly Law of One - by loverising - 01-28-2022, 01:06 PM
    RE: Resources that are strictly Law of One - by flofrog - 01-28-2022, 07:56 PM
    RE: Resources that are strictly Law of One - by Quincunx - 03-28-2022, 02:56 PM

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