03-29-2010, 11:23 AM
Hey Aaron: Thanks for mulling this over with me. I believe I understand what you are saying for the most part- Someone on a different planet has absolutely zero information about the USA on Earth, and therefore to that person it does not exist. But we could say the same thing about Earth's oceans which is probably the best example to look at. Someone off-world could also know nothing of oceans here and to him they would not exist- until he traveled in a space ship to Earth and saw that they were there, in which case they would exist. Yet another way of saying the same thing is that that person didn't believe oceans were here, but was simply wrong. In that sense "all truths" were infact *not* true. But this begs the next question, if all entities in the universe including those on Earth were 100% convinced there were no oceans on Earth, would there still be oceans? We're bordering on further paradox here, at least in my limited understanding!
Hey Ali: Essentially we're talking about the parallel dimensions / realities or multi-verse idea, right? So the idea is, that infinity exists. Because it exists everything conceivable also exists. Nothing doesn't exist in this framework... So in a way everything can be true at the same time. I suppose this is a solution but we must admit that this is quite a different idea than the one in my first post about everything being true, as it is implied to be in one universe since multi-universes are not mentioned.
If you would both humor me for a little while longer- I think there is more fat here we can chew. Setting aside the multi-verse for a minute, how can we further explain this concept with regards to a shared reality? For example, we have a great thread called 'Hellfire' in which many thoughtful posts explain how Hell is really just a controlling device made by humans (or perhaps in part by Orion entities). Yet for millions of people, hell is 100% real. How can believers in this concept and non-believers both be right? Or can we conclude that as far as consensus, shared reality is concerned, all truths are not true?
Or, just one more example, there were points in time where there were no humans alive who were aware that the Earth is actually a sphere. I'm talking back before it was ever even conceived of. But, the earth was a sphere back then I think we can agree. Quite confusing!
Maybe the multi-verse is the only place where this 'all truths are true' concept makes any sense. But if that's true, why even bother using the concept as long as you exist in one universe at a time?
Hey Ali: Essentially we're talking about the parallel dimensions / realities or multi-verse idea, right? So the idea is, that infinity exists. Because it exists everything conceivable also exists. Nothing doesn't exist in this framework... So in a way everything can be true at the same time. I suppose this is a solution but we must admit that this is quite a different idea than the one in my first post about everything being true, as it is implied to be in one universe since multi-universes are not mentioned.
If you would both humor me for a little while longer- I think there is more fat here we can chew. Setting aside the multi-verse for a minute, how can we further explain this concept with regards to a shared reality? For example, we have a great thread called 'Hellfire' in which many thoughtful posts explain how Hell is really just a controlling device made by humans (or perhaps in part by Orion entities). Yet for millions of people, hell is 100% real. How can believers in this concept and non-believers both be right? Or can we conclude that as far as consensus, shared reality is concerned, all truths are not true?
Or, just one more example, there were points in time where there were no humans alive who were aware that the Earth is actually a sphere. I'm talking back before it was ever even conceived of. But, the earth was a sphere back then I think we can agree. Quite confusing!
Maybe the multi-verse is the only place where this 'all truths are true' concept makes any sense. But if that's true, why even bother using the concept as long as you exist in one universe at a time?