(03-26-2010, 11:37 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote: True, but Ra did state that many animals are nearing graduation to 3D, just as humans are nearing graduation to 4D. The criteria for graduation to 3D is sentience. It's indisputable that many animals have sentience.
Correct to certain extent. But we are not talking about a few instances here and there. We are not talking about the many personal pets that are closer to their graduation. As a society humans are still 3D and animals are still 2D.
(03-26-2010, 11:37 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote: If they are nearing graduation to 3D, I would say they are closer to humans than to plants.
Again not ALL of the animals are graduating en mass. There are some instances of vested pets. These pets are all well protected and cared for by their owners and no one is talking/even thinking about eating them. In fact vested or no vested all pets are very much loved and not considered food.
Again once you leave those pets out then the rest all animals can be categorized with the plant life as 2 D. In any grouping some are more advanced than others but they still are in the same grade, 2 D.
(03-26-2010, 11:37 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote: I gave the comparison in an attempt to convey why animal rights activists vegetarians are so passionate, in an effort to further understanding. I was hoping that if our meat-eating friends could understand that, to us, trying to save an animal is similar to trying to save a human, then perhaps we might have better communication and understanding among those who disagree.
I can speak on my behalf, I understand you. Please believe me I do. My whole family is vegetarian. My friends and co-workers think I am a vegetarian as I eat so little meat.
I totally can see how trying to save AN animal can be equivalent to saving a human. But I could always see that. It is not about AN animal but animals as a group. You can save An animal but if you make all animals a protected class then human life would be turned upside down. Do you think if all are vegetarian then the world would be a more spiritual place? Or is it that we all have to become more spiritual in our own lives and it might lead to natural conversion to vegetarian diet.
I guess passion is part of the problem in this debate. The passion cuts through personally and the vegetarians feel not respected for their choices and semi-vegetarians/meat eaters feel attacked and prodded. These passions are so deep rooted that I think regardless of what each side says others would not listen. As the minds have already been made.
(03-26-2010, 11:37 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote: What do you mean by this? How do our elders consume us?
I was more referring to until 3D. We know that for sure as we can see it. 2D plants and animals consume water, earth (1 D) . 3D humans consume 1 and 2 D.
But I can see how our elders feed off of our energies. The STS elders feed of of negative energies like social unrest and violence and STO elders enjoy our positive energies of harmony and compassion etc.