Wanderers and the Harvest

[zenmaster]

But you don't actually have that situation existing *ever*, in such an abstract matter, that you are conveniently pointing at as an example. That's why it's silly, because it's unknowable (thus nothing to "take care" of).

Abstract matter?

Meant manner. It's abstract due to inability to appreciate actual, rather than contrived, circumstances.

Why do you think its unknowable?

One can not know actual polarizing conditions, as you would have us believe. That is something for the next density which is essentially all about understanding (and polarization). Here, it's a matter of "faith" and "will" - not understanding.

You have choices every day between service to self and service to others. You get to choose. Some might call it an awareness of "right" and "wrong" (putting aside the obviously subjective nature of those words). A wanderer feels the need to choose "right" but are often tempted to do "wrong". That was what I meant all along by "take care".

Not sure how to say this, but that "right" and "wrong" temptation is part of seeking to know the self which is really before "the choice" - which is basically *unpolarized*, along with any non-polarizating moral decisions we make. You can't really do "polarized" work if you don't have that compass to use and are still subjected to such unconscious temptations. You sort of have to know what you want and don't want to see in order to get the will to do anything.

But that is what most wanderers indeed do - "chill out". After all, they can be "passive radiators". And the fact that it negates whatever purpose may have been intended has nothing to do with what I was saying.

Being a "passive radiator" is different than being neutral, which is what I meant by "chill out" (i.e. do nothing).

Ok "chill out" means be neutral.

Passively radiating is still a positive service, even if it is an unconscious pattern. And even if you don't think it wasn't relevant to what you were talking about, doesn't mean it is not worth bringing into discussion in a thread about "wanderers and harvest".

Ok, so a wanderer polarizes positively by simply being here, because they are performing a positive service to others. Fine.

The chosen polarity is "good" by definition. There is congruence, resonance and sincerity at work regardless of service orientation. It's a universal principle which offers a way of expression, after all.

I interpreted it from the frame of reference of alignment with one's "highest self" or "higher self", which is by default, positive in nature. Chalk it up to the subjective and vague nature of the word "good".

Good = what someone wants. Bad = what they don't want. Kinda simple. And yes, subjective.

Right it means what we can know is "illusory" and only circumstantially applicable within the current distortion. The knowledge basically offers *no insight whatsoever* into polarity and only an inkling about a service-orientation morality.

In what framework or dimension would the knowledge not be "illusory" and "circumstantially applicable"?

Where we could experience the noumenal, things in themselves rather than things based on abstract interpretation of actual, completely unique circumstances and conditions?

No one said it wasn't a factor. How did you even get that idea?

You said:

In my view, it is not important at all to have STO action (or STS action) in order to go back to their density.

That quote made it sound like you were saying polarity wasn't a factor. I don't make a distinction between "polarity" and "polarized action".

I wasn't saying it was not a factor, I was saying that is was not a requirement.
In other words, for example, being that 3D is a dangerous place, if a wanderer becomes a vegetable, they are going to "graduate" after all

Can one exist without the other?

Polarity is the potential or ability to do work. STO or STS action is what increases polarity here.