Interesting development (Addictions)

[Monica]

It has varying names. Hitting bottom, rock bottom... it has to be something devastating to them, where they realize it is life and death. It isn't from desire alone. It has to be traumatic.

OK...so we've established that some childhood trauma predisposed this kid to becoming addicted in the first place...now you say that the only way to kick the addiction is to suffer a new trauma?

Respectfully, I don't agree with this. This does not allow for any possibility of spiritual transformation via forgiveness, which is the hallmark of the Law of One.

In order to heal the original problem/trauma, the person must be clean. Of course, this is a chicken/egg scenario, but there isn't a shrink/etc that would try to help an addict when still in active addiction. It just can't be done.

Again, I respectfully disagree with this, because I am living proof. I quit all my addictions because of spiritual transformation. (Granted, I was never a junkie or a methhead, so mine were mild by comparison, but I struggled with them nonetheless.) And I know others who did the same. When the spiritual/emotional issues are healed, one no longer needs the addiction, and it falls by the wayside naturally.

I would agree that if a therapist is trying to force someone to heal on demand, without getting to the root issue, without the spiritual component, then he is spinning his wheels. In that case, the person gets clean, but, as you said, they're never really free of it, and it's a lifelong battle. On the other hand, if they get clean because they had a spiritual transformation, then they ARE free of it!

Again, which they acquire in becoming drug free. How does an addict learn to cope when high? Drunk?

Just because someone is high or even drunk doesn't mean they can't have spiritual insights. Sometimes powerful epiphanies occur when under the influence of some drug. I'm certainly not advocating using drugs as a crutch in that way, but it does happen. The mind doesn't quit working just because the doors of perception are flung open.

I can only speak of experience when it comes to the several addicts/alcoholics in my life

That is precisely my point! Your insights based on your own experience are entirely valid. But, I don't think they apply to every person or every situation. The issue I have is with the absolutes.

These things I learned the very hard way, and I don't think anyone who has not gone through them can understand. I had post traumatic stress disorder after leaving the relationship... it is simply devastating what an addict can do to not only them self, but to others around them.

I'm sorry to hear of what you went thru! Having experienced only a small taste of what you experienced, I can only imagine how difficult that must have been!

Indeed this is a life changing catalyst, but it is one they chose pre-incarnation. This is their major lesson. If one chooses to become involved, it then becomes a major lesson for you too. It sure became mine.

I agree! As I said, the only point I disagree on is whether your particular experience necessarily applies to all other situations dealing with addicts. They may or may not be in the same stage as your ex...they may or may not have the same pre-incarnational programming...any number of factors could be different.