12/21/2012: David Wilcock, Harvest, Ra, New Age Gurus. What does it all mean?

[Shin'Ar]

You are talking about identities that do not exist.

A Source group is made up of identities. A social memory complex is made up of identities. Ra is a label for a group of identities.

These are not identities. They are distortions, as Monica has accurately stated.

You are confusing the categorization process of the human attempt to comprehend self, with the actual identity of an entity which actually exists as the source of the distortions.

That is like calling the sound coming from a violin, the actual violin.

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I have a wallet full of I.D.s. The cards are not me, yet the cards represent individual aspects of my experience. Each individual aspect/experience is real and is recorded.

Precisely, recorded; memory. What you are referring to here is aspects of the experience of intelligent distortion and process. But an experience whether memory or ongoing, is not an entity. One cannot assign identity to a process. One does not give identity to a walk in the park or a car drive to the coast. these are experiences.

you are confusing identity with actual entity.

Each negative identity remains a separate identity as a "lost soul". Sort of like an I.D. that gets lost. It remains separate as a still functioning identification until found or returned.

I remain a separate identity until merged with my "real" self. I am a memory bank. Artificial Intelligence. I will squeeze every last bit of enjoyment out of this experience while I continue to "run".

So you are the process of an entity which has lost its self and is trying to recover its identity.

And considering that there is only One Consciousness, which I think you are in agreement with, then that true entity is The One and you are the process of that One trying to realize its true identity.

So, in what way does 'Pickle', the process, become The One, the true Entity?

Pickle, regardless of how many pictures he carries of his delusional self, regardless of how many people call him by that name, and regardless of how strongly he may believe he is an entity, or God, is really just that floating distortion/vibration wandering throughout the universe, taking many forms over countless ages.

This temporary aspect of 'Pickle', regardless of how much it enjoys its delusion, will come to an end and that vibration process will move on.

And there is absolutely nothing wrong with you 'squeezing out' every last drop of juice from this fruitful experience. That is what it is here for.

Enjoy if you are able whenever and as often as possible, while you are here.

BUT, as you go through these experiences, and you have been through many different ones already, there is an evolution of consciousness taking place whether you want to promote it and nurture it or not. The process which you are is not the only one affecting the state of being of The One Consciousness and the further growth of The All.

If yours was the only one, and even if it was, 'Pickle' could only make evolution slow down for the period of the 'Pickle' experience, and when that ends the next process/experience may have a very different outlook based upon the experience you have created while you were at the helm of that field of consciousness.

But can I be frank with you my friend?

I do not think that you are as simple as you pretend. I think you understand fully these things which I speak. I have no desire to insult you, nor do I gain any benefit from interacting with you in a way that would be unfriendly.

But I also realize that certain types just don't attract to each other. There is something about me that you have a distaste for, and that is perfectly natural. Hell, if I can annoy my wife, I can annoy anyone. She is a friggin Saint.

I think that you are simply tossing me bones that you know I will attempt to bury because you really don't like me, and anything that you can pose for discussion will simply be an attempt to push my buttons.

Now I know, I know, this sounds like I am now playing the butthurt card.

But really Pickle, there are a few people in this community who do not really have an affinity toward certain other members. And I do not have a problem with that.

But, is there any way that we can have a discussion, despite our differences of thought, where we actually consider what each other has to say and then try to sort out the aspects of the discussions which we might benefit from?

I know that every chance you get you will want to declare your enjoyment of the human experience, and despise anyone who challenges your desires.

You know that I relish the opportunities to discuss such things because I learn from the discussions and also hone my own thought processes.

So if you would really like to have discussions with me on these matters, great, let's continue. I enjoy, you enjoy.

But, I seriously consider everything which you offer up, (before I dismiss it, lol), so all I am asking is that you return the same.

Now my point to you is this, 'when you know that 'Pickle' is simply the identity adopted in this incarnation, why do you think of that 'temporarily adopted identity' as some sort of permanent entity which is going to continue to think and experience creation and the universe as 'Pickle'?

When you can answer that honestly, without the effort to simply push the buttons of others, you might also realize that the future experience of the field which 'Pickle' is now at the helm of, would certainly not benefit from remaining stuck in one pothole, when the whole road lies ahead waiting to be explored.

Yup, I just called your life a pothole.

Hey, its a great pothole, as potholes go, but the kid that takes pleasure jumping up and down in the same puddle over and over is usually the kid which requires some sort of treatment for some serious neurological disorder. You know, like that dog that just chases its tail around in a circle all day long, and having the greatest time ever because it just doesn't know any better.

Are the kid in the puddle or the dizzy dog missing out many more wonderful experiences? Of course they are, but do not try to get them to stop and listen to your direction.

Psssst! They have a 'problem'. They're 'spechal'.

Probably better to just let them have this incarnation the way they enjoy it best, and let the natural 'moving on' move them when the time comes. Run my fiend, run. Chase that tail and enjoy it. Splash in that puddle and enjoy it.

'Pickle' may not realize the many other puddles and tails which are waiting, but the 'NEXT' incarnation will, despite 'Pickle's' temporary relapse into complete cessation of evolution.

Many people. For example, lots of people in organized religions choose prayer and love, yet never have any awareness that they live in an illusion. It's common for Wanderers to pierce the veil, but it isn't a prerequisite for spiritual growth.

But what exactly are people?

What exactly are you speaking of when you say 'they', 'we' and 'I'.

You are talking about identities that do not exist.

They do exist...in the illusion.

Ah, then it is your definition of illusion that causes our differences in thinking.

For when you say illusion, what you are actually speaking of is delusion.

An illusion is by definition something which does not actually exist. Illusion is not s specific type of vibration.

A delusion is a deception of the consciousness where the intelligence is tricked by a perception of reality, where there is none.

Nothing actually exists in an illusion, nor in a delusion.

I think also that when you apply the term 'distortion' you do so with an understanding that distortion is some twisted or altered aspect of a vibration. This is how that word is often used in the English language. But that is not how Ra means to apply it.

I originally spent a great deal of time trying to realize this myself when I first came upon the Law of One as depicted by the Ra group.

When Ra applies the word 'distortion', it is simply used as a synonym for vibration. a distortion is a vibration; any vibration. It is in fact being referred to as a distortion of the stillness which was the All prior to Intelligent Energy.

When you say 'lots of people' you are essentially speaking about One Entity.

No, I wasn't. I was speaking of distortions of the One...you, me, and other humans. To negate the reality of distortions is to negate the beauty and function of the illusion we reside in. All is One...and that includes the myriad distortions and illusions.

Yes, we are distortions of The One. And so is each and every material form in the universe, as well as every single fragmented thought process/field of consciousness. All is vibration/distortion/process. But why do you continue to suggest that all of this is an illusion? Do you not believe that there actually is an intelligent Entity behind the process?

When Ra speaks of illusion it refers to the fact that all of this form which we observe and interact with, is not really what it seems according to our human perception of it.

Ra is not suggesting that all of this is an illusion/unreal, it is simply revealing that our human perception of the reality is both delusional, which causes that 'deluded perception' to be an illusion, while the 'true reality' remains exactly what it is all around us, and including us.

There are no illusions except in the mistaken perception of the consciousness.

When you say there is no necessary reason for piercing the veil, you are essentially saying that there is no need for The One Consciousness to explore its potential opportunities and abilities.

...Prerequisite? There is none. Evolution is natural process of being.

Respectfully, you are missing the point. I have no quarrel with your spiritual journey. I was referring to the criteria for polarizing and harvest, as given by Ra.

Thank you dear Monica. But, is not the point of harvest, and polarization, according to Ra's explanations, the evolving process of consciousness?

Are you not doing as Pickle does, and simply tossing aside the whole, just to experience the fragment alone, in defiance of, and/or ignorance of the universal design process? When you think in terms of 'your temporary identity' as being The One and Only, you are deliberately and intentionally limiting spiritual growth in the same way that Pickle does.

Piercing the veil was never listed as a criterion for harvestability. It may be important to many entities for various reasons, but that it was never mentioned by Ra as any sort of 'key' or prerequisite. I was disputing your statement that it is THE key to spiritual evolution.

Well we would have to avoid this discussion because I cannot state with any authority everything that Ra has stated in the Law of One, as I am not that well studied in it yet. But from what I have managed to discern, the harvest was supposed to be a crucial point in time at which some transformation was to occur of the human experience which would result in STS and STO being separated from each other.

I would think that achieving the goal of ending up in the world that you wanted to end up in would be key to one's spiritual evolution.

However, I have not been a keen advocate of such a harvest and always referred to it only for the sake of discussion with those who did believe in such a thing.


Pickle makes no bones about stating that he has no interest in becoming anything other than human. He clearly chooses to remain trapped in one experience for the eternity of his existence. But this will not be the case in reality, because 'Pickle' will cease to exist upon the demise of that form, and that field of consciousness will move on to other states of being, regardless of the delusions of 'Pickle', the temporary form.

Once again, you are misrepresenting my views, and Pickle's also.

I may be misrepresenting yours, but I have no doubt about Pickle's. He has made that very clear to me over the last year or so. He is a caveman, and wants to cherish every second of it while he can. That's great, for him. Not so great for The All.

Exactly how am I misrepresenting yours?

When you refer to 'people', you do so with the thinking that each is an identity/entity. And because of that perception you establish an illusion, for these are not entities, but thought processes, in my opinion. An illusion is not reality, and your acceptance of it and nurturing of it would be delusion.

How does my thinking in this regard misrepresent you?