Our Planet is 4D Now? Looks the same to me.

[zenmaster]

Asserting 4D isn't here is like stating the Astral planes do not exist.

No it isn't at all. The astral is not 4D. It's part of the 3D inner planes.

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If you don't provide any evidence that does not mean I think there is no evidence. And further, this red herring business of what then may or may not constitute evidence is completely beside the point. No one ever brought it up or implied it - so there is an "attachment" to that concept as well. See how that works?

Actually I don't have any clue what you are talking about. You said, "It is pure conjecture to make any inference of principle whatsoever without actual supporting evidence." That's why I brought up the topic of what constitutes evidence, because you were under the impression that I was guessing (which wouldn't involve any evidence).

No, I was not under the impression you were guessing, so it seems you don't have a clue what you are talking about. Amazing how that works. I was trying to explain guessing, not implying that you were guessing that's why I asked the question.

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Yes with the proper conditions which can't be reduced to "awareness" in any meaningful way. That's yet another appeal to infinities of the new-age meme.

Zen, do you subscribe to objectivity ?

What do you mean by that?

Sorry my friend, I should have put a link. Here it is.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Objectivity_(philosophy)

No. If I subscribe to anything it'd be dialectical monism.

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But to really answer your question, the subjective realm of experience enters around the same time the heart chakra opens here. In Spiral Dynamics, it's the "green vMeme". People that are just starting to experience subjective reality tend to see everything according to that perspective and inflate its significance in order to eventually appreciate it more fully. That's funny also. It's a stage.