10-24-2012, 03:43 PM
(10-24-2012, 12:58 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote:Quote:The choice made is very real even if it is made based on an illusion. Remember, experience is real.
Experience is only real if something real is experienced. The only thing that is real is identity. Thus, if a catalyst causes an entity to experience identity, it results in polarization. If not, it is meaningless.
Our identity is our awareness. Our identity is our chosen limitation of the viewpoint.
"8.17 Questioner: How did they use them?
Ra: I am Ra. The use of experience is to learn. Consider a race who watches a movie. It experiences a story and identifies with the feelings, perceptions, and experiences of the hero."
Our identity changes with experience. So if we say that experience is not real, then at least the changes to our identity certainly is real. Would you agree with that ?
(10-24-2012, 12:58 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote:"47.6 ...The qualifications for fifth density, however, involve understanding. This then, becomes the primary qualification for graduation from fourth to fifth density. To achieve this graduation the entity must be able to understand the actions, the movements, and the dance. There is no percentage describable which measures this understanding. It is a measure of efficiency of perception. It may be measured by light. The ability to love, accept, and use a certain intensity of light thus creates the requirement for both positive and negative fourth to fifth harvesting."Quote:I believe that the choice of the two polarities is The Choice of 3d. The reason for this belief is simply that 4th density time/space is now completely separate for the two polarities.
I'm curious to know: How do you explain this quote?
My interpretation is. In 4th density you increase your awareness (or perception) via understanding. Both positive and negative entities will have to love, accept and use enough of the available understanding until it becomes aware of 5th density and able to accept this new intensity of light/love. Obviously, negative entities will use this understanding very differently than a positive entity will.
(10-24-2012, 12:58 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: ...Why does it matter so much which path they polarize on?
It doesn't. It only matters to the self which walks the chosen path.
(10-24-2012, 12:58 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote:Quote:But from the point of view of experience, it's very relevant. Because so much of what you are going to experience in this octave after 3d depends on that choice. The flavor of your experiences are going to be very different indeed based on The Choice of polarity.
Quote:77.16 Questioner: What I am really attempting to understand, since all of these twenty-one philosophical bases result in the twenty-second which is The Choice, is why this choice is so important, why the Logos seems to put so much emphasis on this choice, and what function this choice of polarity has, precisely, in the evolution or the experience of that which is created by the Logos?
Ra: I am Ra. The polarization or choosing of each mind/body/spirit is necessary for harvestability from third density. The higher densities do their work due to the polarity gained in this choice.
As you can see, Don is the one who is confused. He even knows he is confused. For, if "all of these twenty-one philosophical bases result in the twenty second, which is "The Choice", then how could it possibly be that one makes "The Choice" BEFORE experiencing the first twenty-one archetypes?
Don is the one that identifies "The Choice" with the "choice of polarity". Ra is doing the best they can with his persistent confusion. After all, they should be experts in confusion around the Law of One by now!
1.1 Wrote:We are old upon your planet and have served with varying degrees of success in transmitting the Law of One, of Unity, of Singleness to your peoples.
To polarize, you must choose a polarity, there is no other way. Polarization, polarizing and choosing a polarity all means the very same thing.
If not, then what does "Polarization" means to you ?
(10-24-2012, 12:58 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote:Quote:The "&" is there to connote awareness of Oneness. There is no such thing as "polarization on both paths".
Then what would you call it when an entity polarizes on the negative path through fifth density, then switches in sixth?
This my friend is indeed very dear to me. The path that the positively oriented entities take is the path of Oneness/Unity, it is not based on an omission and it was the only path available before the veil existed. So it's very simple, when a negative entity reaches 6th density, it cannot go further without opening its heart chakra. Since it cannot learn the lessons of Unity without first accepting the awareness of Oneness/Unity that comes from the center of the spectrum, that being green ray. So they naturally abandon polarity altogether.
For the positively oriented entity, it is much easier and indeed natural to release polarity. And here's the kicker, because of this I believe that non polarity and the positive polarity are nearly the same thing. Negative polarity simply being a new way/path of playing the game of this octave that was never even planned for since it was not even imagined until experienced.
(10-24-2012, 12:58 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote:Quote:All are the Creator knowing itself. Yes I know that once those on the negative path realizes their true identity, they are already far along the chosen path.
So what you are saying is that it is possible for the Creator to know itself through the act of adopting a false identity?
There are no false identities. Your identity is simply your point of view. By "realizes their true identity", I meant when they become aware of their chosen point of view or we could say of their chosen awareness. They know that they are omitting a part of the awareness that is available to them. They honestly believe that green ray is folly.
(10-24-2012, 12:58 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote:Quote:The Choice is not fully conscious, if it was fully conscious freewill would not operate as efficiently and that would be like it was before the veil.
So the axis upon which Creation turn is a half-conscious, or possibly unconscious, choice? What would be the point of that?
Yes "The Choice" cannot be made in full awareness. At least, the choices leading to the negative path cannot be made in full awareness.
The point is to make available new more extreme experiences for the Creator.
(10-24-2012, 12:58 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote:Quote:No such thing as control over your other-selves existed before the veil.
Then, how do those polarizing on the negative path in fourth and fifth densities (where there is no veil) acquire more polarity?
Like I said, even after the veil is removed, the negative entity continues to block the heart chakra. They consciously choose to omit this part of their self. So they do not feel compassion and this is by choice. Starting in 4d they have understanding now too, so they can use this most effectively to polarize even further.
(10-24-2012, 12:58 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote:Quote:Here is how (and this is the whole point my friend ).
Oh gosh, no I don't think those people are polarizing at all! Those people aren't even in Ra's deck! LOL. They are playing "The Fool", not making "The Choice".
They might unknowingly be developing a bias, yes. For if one of these folks actually got serious about "enslaving others", they would eventually find that is only possible through a gradual accepting of their true identity along the negative path.
It's not possible not to polarize in veiled 3d. You can yoyo in between positive and negative as long as you wish though. My example will certainly polarize an entity in the negative, but in their next incarnation they could make other choices that are more positive and they yoyo. It takes a great deal of incarnations before you polarize enough for harvest. But the more you polarize, the more opportunity is given to refine that choice. At some point you become aware that the point was to make The Choice and when this happens you are normally already far on the chosen path.
(10-24-2012, 12:58 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote:Quote:It's only the beginning of the negative path that is based on an illusion. The choices that leads to the negative path can only be made while you are deluded.
Then, how do you explain this?
69.11 Wrote:Secondly, when a positively oriented entity incarnates in a thoroughly negative environment it must needs learn/teach the lessons of the love of self thus becoming one with its other-selves.
This says: A positive entity in a negative environment must needs learn/teach the lessons of love of self. How do you explain this?
That is because, at this time in the evolution of our universe, there is such a thing as positive and negative time/space. If you find yourself in negative time/space, in order to progress, you will have to incarnate. And you will thus have to incarnate in a negative space/time environment.
And once there. "69.15 Questioner: It would seem to me that it would be an extremely difficult situation for the positively polarized entity and the learning process would be extremely traumatic. Is this correct?
Ra: I am Ra. Let us say that the positively polarized individual makes a poor student of the love of self and thus spends much more time, if you will, than those native to that pattern of vibrations."
It is my belief that when Ra speak of the love of self in the context of the negative path, what is meant is love of self over the other self.
(10-24-2012, 12:58 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote:Quote:Do not forget that, once this choice/path is crystallized, even after the veil is removed in 4d, they still choose not to open their heart chakra even while knowing that such a portion of awareness is available. They are aware of the omission that their path is based on, but that is what they chose to experience and they like it this way and all experience is perfectly fine for the Creator.
But it isn't. In fact, the material says that the more one polarizes, the easier it is to switch the path.
Indeed, all you have to do is open or close the heart chakra. They can open it, taste compassion, be disgusted by it and close it right back.
(10-24-2012, 12:58 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: LOL! Maybe we should just plan to compare notes after we contact intelligent infinity and are less confused! Luckily, I don't think it is at all necessary to totally understand this philosophy in order to graduate. All that is necessary is polarization.
I'm just humoring you here, because we both know that understanding is not of this density.