*how* is one to be Harvested?!

[kdsii]

Meaning that a black hole will eat us.

[Ashim]

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I think I am dual activated because I really understand 4d concepts and feel somewhat weird in this current 3d space/time.

Still I will only be harvested after my "death" here.
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Ra did not say that. What Ra said was very revealing.
If the entity requires 'death' as part of the learning scenario then so it shall be. I think you have interpreted incorrectly.

[Richard]

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I think I am dual activated because I really understand 4d concepts and feel somewhat weird in this current 3d space/time.

Still I will only be harvested after my "death" here.

Ra did not say that. What Ra said was very revealing.
If the entity requires 'death' as part of the learning scenario then so it shall be. I think you have interpreted incorrectly.


[/quote]

But thats the point, Ashim...no one really knows. We just have a multitude of opinions.

I suspect the reality is going to be quite a surprise...or not?...since its possible some part of us already know how it works?

Ain't paradox just a b**** sometimes?

Richard

[Ebennett]

I think it it happen either way

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ive also heard form other channels that the exact how it will happen be a surprise.

[Patrick]

I think I am dual activated because I really understand 4d concepts and feel somewhat weird in this current 3d space/time.

Still I will only be harvested after my "death" here.

Ra did not say that. What Ra said was very revealing.
If the entity requires 'death' as part of the learning scenario then so it shall be. I think you have interpreted incorrectly.

It's crystal clear to me.

"...these entities will die according to third-density necessities..." - Ra
"...The third and fourth, combination, density’s body will die..." - Ra

But the beauty of free-will is that we don't have to have the same interpretations.

[Parsons]

It's crystal clear to me.

"...these entities will die according to third-density necessities..." - Ra
"...The third and fourth, combination, density’s body will die..." - Ra

But the beauty of free-will is that we don't have to have the same interpretations.

And this is the reason I sought/am seeking to clarify that this with the GW_V "source" as this plan may have changed in our particular transition from 3D to 4D. And this is also why I am no longer crystal clear on it.

The only method of comparison I have is the nature of the two conflicting sources. Where the Ra/Q'uo contact claims to be 6D inner planes, and the GW_V "source" claims to be 8D. So although I am a bit unsure what is going to happen, I am leaning a little towards the perspective of 8D.

Also, if you factor in some of the other things the GW_V source has been saying, such as this being the great mid point where the process of ending this entire octave of existence starts.

So the basic plan/path followed may have been changed to accommodate.

[Richard]

For what its worth, the Kryon channellings (by Lee Carroll) have stated that earth will be a veritable utopia in about...oh... 40,000 years. Lee's been channelling the same entity (supposedly) since 1989.

No one can confirm that tidbit of info. Its just what his source is saying.

But here is the thing. None of us have any idea right now how the world will go. Humans... being human... always want things to happen now. But if we really believe and accept reincarnation as Ra & Co have described it? Then does it really matter if it happens now or centuries from now?

Maybe this time and incarnation isn't all that important in the overall scheme of things? And if thats true...can we, as a race, deal with that?

I think thats why Ra and Quo and all the others are continually telling us to turn our search inward and let the outer world develop in its own way.

Catalyst will provide....

Richard

[Ebennett]

does anyone know what Carla Rueckert thinks?

[Patrick]

does anyone know what Carla Rueckert thinks?

She would be extremely pleased if you would call and ask her.

http://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=4993

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It's crystal clear to me.

"...these entities will die according to third-density necessities..." - Ra
"...The third and fourth, combination, density’s body will die..." - Ra

But the beauty of free-will is that we don't have to have the same interpretations.

And this is the reason I sought/am seeking to clarify that this with the GW_V "source" as this plan may have changed in our particular transition from 3D to 4D. And this is also why I am no longer crystal clear on it.

The only method of comparison I have is the nature of the two conflicting sources. Where the Ra/Q'uo contact claims to be 6D inner planes, and the GW_V "source" claims to be 8D. So although I am a bit unsure what is going to happen, I am leaning a little towards the perspective of 8D.

Also, if you factor in some of the other things the GW_V source has been saying, such as this being the great mid point where the process of ending this entire octave of existence starts.

So the basic plan/path followed may have been changed to accommodate.

Lets say you do not die and stay in space/time with your 4d body when the 3d one dies. That fits with what Godwide said. Your 3d body will still die though.

[Parsons]

The dynamics of harvest for your particular planet at this particular juncture are not those of what could loosely be described as a normal third-density harvest. This instrument has frequently made jokes concerning the status of Earth or Gaia as a planet for juvenile delinquents who have repeatedly flunked third grade at other schools and are finally sent to Earth when it is felt that they are incorrigible.

The profoundly militaristic energies that your peoples experience at this time are, as has been discussed by the one known as J and the one known as Jim, the fruit of repetition and iteration over many civilizations, many wars, and even many planets. Those upon your sphere have experienced misalignments of energies and misjudgments of polarity in honest but misguided efforts to attempt to serve and to grow. And the nature of the decisions which have capitulated previous societies into catastrophe, catastrophic war, the leveling of that which was wealthy and sophisticated to the so-called dark ages, is a pattern that has been repeated not once or twice but many times. Consequently, your present harvest has overtones and undertones from many previous expressions of the iterating mechanism which turns love into fear and fear into aggression. The energies that are present at this time are iterative energies, energies that have become mindless, that have, in a tremendously profound sense, become obsessed, obsessed to the level of the archetype, so that it is as though your harvest expresses the archetype of the lightning-struck tower with an intensity that could only be achieved by mindless repetition past the point of self-knowledge and into a state of mind of slavery of which at this time we see your peoples attempting with ever fresher energy to snap and break the control, so that the human spirit might once again become liberated from this endless round of fear and hostility.

[kdsii]

I just wrote Carla.

[quote='Ebennett' pid='91460' dateline='1342131885']
does anyone know what Carla Rueckert thinks?

[Ebennett]

thanks I did too

[kdsii]

I feel bad 'cause I know she answered this 20 times probably, but there's so much information, misinformation, not to mention those who arent out to help others (not in this forum, I mean new age self-promoters)
People are gonna start thinking that 4D ascension refers to inserting their heads up their you-know-wheres

thanks I did too

[unir 1]

I am left wondering, if/when the incoming newborns are birthed here, that perhaps they will feel somewhat out of place since there are **virtually no 3rd density energies left**...

In regards to (off-topic I suppose) the time-lateral, which some of you may remember being discussed in this forum, what I mentioned above might be the reason for 2-d revert of Earth. Discern for yourselves friends, this is a small and old opinion I have brought to light in hopes of more light being shed upon it.

[zenmaster]

I am left wondering, if/when the incoming newborns are birthed here, that perhaps they will feel somewhat out of place since there are **virtually no 3rd density energies left**...

With a multi-generation transition period of 100-700 years, there would be quite of bit of overlap. I'd think they'd be more out of place for other reasons, such as coming from a distant logos. The larger our population during transition, the more distant the logos.

[freestonew]

hi all.

Death.

I can see where there is great confusion about that word.

"there is no death". someone might think that one walks fully awake through a portal to 4D.
but the spiritualists would say, after your car crash with the oncoming truck, your body is a mess of meat and your spirit body rises to heaven. the greeting Guides will then tell you, "there *is* no death"! they are right. they speak of the non-perishable soul body.
we on earth would see death. thus for us, "no death" would infer "no
body death"!

this is where the confusion comes from, as I see it.

freestone

[AnthroHeart]

You bring up a good point freestonew. Some that have died might not even realize they are dead. I've heard the surroundings are so similar after that it's hard to say. But then those that are ready, as in a lot of near-death experiences, see that white light and tunnel. I wonder if that tunnel is the walking the steps of light that Ra refers to.

[Patrick]

You bring up a good point freestonew. Some that have died might not even realize they are dead. I've heard the surroundings are so similar after that it's hard to say. But then those that are ready, as in a lot of near-death experiences, see that white light and tunnel. I wonder if that tunnel is the walking the steps of light that Ra refers to.

I have read accounts of NDEs where they say that they go into the light, which brings them more joy the further in they go, until this joy becomes too much and they stop. They stop because they feel that continuing in the light would dissolve them into it, into this infinite joy.

That fits with walking the steps of light.

[AnthroHeart]

From the work that we do, I wonder if accepting 4D light to a havestable amount is really a challenge. I wonder this for my close friends as well. Perhaps us who are in the know will push harder when it comes time to walking the steps of light.

I didn't actually like Ra's choice of words saying how being harvestable positive is as difficult as being harvested negative in terms of percents. It makes it sound harder than it really is. I don't think for someone with a good heart that it's all that hard to be 51% STO. The Ra material makes it sound that much harder. But I think they want us to get all we can out of 3D because the higher densities are more slow growing because of how harmonious they are. Patrick, your feedback always makes me think.

I remember there was a moment when I felt Creator's love within me for about 5 seconds or so that it made me cry. It was an amazing love and joy I felt. That's when I thought I had crossed 4D. But I'm not sure how that point in my life fits in.

[Spaced]

I didn't actually like Ra's choice of words saying how being harvestable positive is as difficult as being harvested negative in terms of percents. It makes it sound harder than it really is. I don't think for someone with a good heart that it's all that hard to be 51% STO. The Ra material makes it sound that much harder. But I think they want us to get all we can out of 3D because the higher densities are more slow growing because of how harmonious they are. Patrick, your feedback always makes me think.

Consider the possibility that it is not you who decides how effective your service to other is, but the others themselves. You might think you are serving others but they may see your actions as disservice. There is also the possibility that your service will backfire and end up creating more problems than solutions (even Ra is not immune to this, as can be seen by the fact that they are still cleaning up the mess their legacy turned into).

I think this is where it becomes important to balance your Love with Wisdom, to see where your service might be beneficial and where it might be best to keep yer trap shut

[Bring4th_Austin]

I didn't actually like Ra's choice of words saying how being harvestable positive is as difficult as being harvested negative in terms of percents. It makes it sound harder than it really is. I don't think for someone with a good heart that it's all that hard to be 51% STO. The Ra material makes it sound that much harder. But I think they want us to get all we can out of 3D because the higher densities are more slow growing because of how harmonious they are. Patrick, your feedback always makes me think.

Consider the possibility that it is not you who decides how effective your service to other is, but the others themselves. You might think you are serving others but they may see your actions as disservice. There is also the possibility that your service will backfire and end up creating more problems than solutions (even Ra is not immune to this, as can be seen by the fact that they are still cleaning up the mess their legacy turned into).

I think this is where it becomes important to balance your Love with Wisdom, to see where your service might be beneficial and where it might be best to keep yer trap shut

Yet on the other hand, Ra claims that it is unwise to be attached to the outcome of our actions.

If our intent is true and pure to serve others, does the outcome affect our polarity? Is our polarity determined by how others view our actions?

In regards to the difficulty of reaching 51% service to others, I don't much like the percentage take on harvestability. I think it is much more useful to look at Ra's other descriptions of gaining harvestability regarding opening of energy centers and balance...these are much more measurable for us than our "percentage of Service to Others," which is a concept I don't think makes much sense anyways. Note that it was brought up in a question that Don asked and was not something Ra offered on their own. Just because it is applicable doesn't necessarily mean it is useful.

Anywho, we have to remember that this is our final incarnation of this cycle. For native 3Ders, who knows how many lifetimes we have spent striving for harvestability? Perhaps it is much more difficult than we would realize within this incarnation. If we are alive now then chances are we were very close to harvestability already, making the goal seem easier than if we view it from the entirety of our incarnations in 3D. We've likely been working very hard throughout hundreds, thousands, or more lifetimes to reach this point. This is the last few steps of a marathon; they might be the hardest steps of the entire event, but they're nothing compared the the whole race.

[AnthroHeart]

Nice to see another view there, in regards to balance of the energy centers. Your input is very well appreciated Austin. Our life now can sometimes seem difficult as you allude to. I think I'm going to try to not worry about being harvestable or not. Sounds like life is much more fun when you don't fret these details.

I don't always realize this is the final incarnation in this cycle. Good to point out. I can't even imagine what I've had to do to get to this point. But my life is pretty nice, I am pretty fortunate in that regard.

[zenmaster]

If we are alive now then chances are we were very close to harvestability already, making the goal seem easier than if we view it from the entirety of our incarnations in 3D.

I'm going to say no to this, since the vast majority will repeat. What Ra said is that if we are alive now we have seniority of vibration. It's also said that more than half are still on logos-autopilot with regards to incarnational choices. It would be a very different situation if we had a smaller population.

[AnthroHeart]

Zen, are you talking with regard to logos auto-pilot, about choosing your catalyst in your incarnation? How is one to tell if they are choosing their catalyst, or if that is the purview of the Logos for them. And I wouldn't have related green ray harvestability with whether they are generating their own catalyst. It just didn't connect before.

[Bring4th_Austin]

If we are alive now then chances are we were very close to harvestability already, making the goal seem easier than if we view it from the entirety of our incarnations in 3D.

I'm going to say no to this, since the vast majority will repeat. What Ra said is that if we are alive now we have seniority of vibration.

"Very close to harvestability" being relative. Though maybe saying "alive now and seeking" is more accurate of my opinion, it's not changed after re-reading the quotes:

The seniority by vibration is the preferential treatment, shall we say, which follows the ways of the Law of One which encourages harvestable individuals, each individual becoming aware of the time of harvest and the need on a self-level to bend mind, body, and spirit towards the learn/teaching of these lessons, is given priority in order that this entity may have the best possible chance, shall we say, of succeeding in this attempt.

The seniority of vibration is to be likened unto placing various grades of liquids in the same glass. Some will rise to the top; others will sink to the bottom. Layers and layers of entities will ensue. As harvest draws near, those filled with the most light and love will naturally, and without supervision, be in line, shall we say, for the experience of incarnation.

Questioner: Have I properly analyzed the condition that creates the possibility of greater service as follows: Seniority by vibration of incarnation has greatly polarized those upon the surface of the planet now, and the influx of Wanderers has greatly increased the mental configuration toward things of a more spiritual nature. This would be, I assume, one of the factors creating a better atmosphere for service. Is this correct?
Ra: I am Ra. This is correct.

The aspect that a vast majority will be repeating could be influenced by any number of unrelated factors. I can see the conditions on this planet be detrimental to even near-harvestable entities wishing to polarize.

It's also said that more than half are still on logos-autopilot with regards to incarnational choices. It would be a very different situation if we had a smaller population.

Is that from Ra?

[zenmaster]

It's also said that more than half are still on logos-autopilot with regards to incarnational choices. It would be a very different situation if we had a smaller population.

Is that from Ra?

The exact quote for training wheels off is 54%, so a little less than half:
"21.11 Questioner: At this time in our cycle, near the end, what percentage of the entities incarnating are making their own choices?

Ra: I am Ra. The approximate percentage is fifty-four percent."

"17.24 Questioner: In other words there will be fewer negative entities than positive entities harvested into the fourth density. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is correct. The great majority of your peoples will repeat third density."

So basically only 46% at that time had not even activated the green-ray energy center. And for the 54% that have green-ray activated, it must then be sufficiently balanced. I'm guessing the "harvest" would be rather large for this solar system, but very small in proportion to the number of individuals here. My guess is a little less than 1%.

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I can see the conditions on this planet be detrimental to even near-harvestable entities wishing to polarize.

It would seem that right now offers the most experiential catalyst, and therefore polarizing conditions.

[Patrick]

...I'm guessing the "harvest" would be rather large for this solar system, but very small in proportion to the number of individuals here. My guess is a little less than 1%...

I feel that it is closer to 4% at this time, which is indeed really high IMHO.

[hogey11]

30 years is more than a generation. We have to be careful not to project the world in 1980 onto today.

Today is a whole different world, and contains 100% more people by capita. Are all of us young people still rocking the same mindsets and percentages? Is there any chance that the youth are doing better than times before?

I think earth has been incarnating nothing but 'harvestable' souls ready for 4D since the harmonic convergence in 1987 personally. I think that may be the big surprise in all of this. I think that Ra was happy to be unclear because the purpose at that time was still to challenge us; not placate us. I'm not saying that these young souls are living 'harvestable' lifestyles, but we do not know the value of their violet rays either...

[caycegal]

Hi, Freestonew, if you're still around (maybe you've been harvested since you posted.)

I very much enjoyed reading your post, which I felt I understood more than many I read in these forums.

I, too have an engineering mind and also a woo-woo hippy mind at the same time.

Personally, I find the term "HARVEST" to be somewhat frightening, probably because I've watched too many science fiction movies in which the word was used in a scary way. It has an ominous feel to it, so I prefer to think that it's one of the parts of Carla's channeling where the other team may have managed to sneak in some creepiness, as they supposedly like to do. Guess I may find out some day.

I still think it more likely, as I did before I discovered the Ra material, that each soul progresses as it's ready to do so. The idea of mass harvests occurring every several thousand years does not "feel right" to me, so I'm hanging back from buying into that concept, although I feel very, very good about much else that Carla has channeled. Especially since I am a long-time fan of Edgar Cayce and can find a strong correlation between Ra and Cayce material. For example, the Atlantis and Egypt stuff seems very compatible to me.

Anyway, whichever turns out to be correct, I'm hoping I've got a ticket!

How about this scenario -- the old 100th monkey idea. There is a threshold (a quantity of entities) which must progress in order to bring the whole planetary consciousness with them. As an individual I can progress whenever, but it takes a certain number of us to bring along the whole planet. I see some flaws in this concept, but who knows?

[Patrick]

...Personally, I find the term "HARVEST" to be somewhat frightening, probably because I've watched too many science fiction movies in which the word was used in a scary way. It has an ominous feel to it, so I prefer to think that it's one of the parts of Carla's channeling where the other team may have managed to sneak in some creepiness, as they supposedly like to do...

IMHO the "other" team used some science fiction movies to give a creepy feel to the term harvest. Because harvest in itself is quite positive.

From wiki: "...The harvest marks the end of the growing season, or the growing cycle..."