Opinions on Narcotics

[Cyan]

I have my own opinion on the matter. But I would like to ask. What do people think about them? For the purpose of this poll. The word "narcotic" means any substance taken for the explicit purpose of adjusting your brain chemistry. Coffe, tobacco, tea, and heroin belong to the same mind altering category, simply for the purpose of this poll. Not the specific substances themselves.

1. Always useful
2. Almost always useful
3. Useful if used with clear intent and sufficient guidance, time and love.
4. Useful if used with either clear intent or suffienct guidance or time or love.
5. Rarely useful regardless of motivation.
6. Almost never useful.
7. Categorically always bad.
8. Depends entirely on substance. (some entirely bad and some entirely good, or similar split of opinion.

[Oceania]

always useful. not necessarily good. but does what it's supposed to.

[Meerie]

I would add
"depends entirely on the user" to the poll

[Liet]

depends on the substance and the energy balance of the user....

if you take a substance which weaken an energy center already weak within you...... it wont be so pretty.

drugs that make you percieve the world as brighter/fuzzy/loving strengthen the heart/throat/forehead.
drugs that make you percieve the world as colorful/sharp/awesome/shitty strengthen the solar plexus

as the solar plexus is very specialized and egocentric, you can find drugs with only pieces of its effects. there are even ones that make you steal from yourself....
like the pineal gland hogging/eating/raping the energies of the heart and throat (4-ho-met, stay away from it).
or solar plexus; from the thighs or prostate... making you immobile, or asexual (while those are properties otherwise gained through having a properly working solar plexus)

nearly all substances f*** with the root chakra in one way or another...
some are easy to recover from, some arent...

most psycadelic substances, Empathogens and amphetamines take between a few hours and 2 days to recover from.
my last alcohol experience (two years ago i think) rendered my root chakra dead for a week or two (trying to meditate (i cant exclude the root from meditation) during this period was equaly stressing to me as "trying to breathe and not being able to")

4-ho-met took about 6 months to recover from.... the energies seen with closed eyes went from unified white'ish overlapping blobs.... to pixels widely separated from one another.

[godwide_void]

A distinction should be made in this thread between narcotics (i.e. 'feel good' drugs, alcohol, cocaine, heroin, meth, various opiates) and psychedelics ('consciousness/mind-expanding' tools, such as LSD, 2C-xx, various RC's such as 4-ho-met mentioned above) and a further distinction may be made to include entheogens ('awakening the god within/divine manifesting' substances such as DMT/Ayahuasca, psilocybin mushrooms, peyote cactus, LSA (morning glory seeds/hawaiian baby woodrose seeds/rivea corymbosa seeds).

It is important to note that all experiences in consciousness are impermanent, and those who seek fulfillment and permanent joy in external, often temporary things will be disappointed. Desiring for ephemeral happiness can oftentimes be an impediment, so I personally see absolutely no real use or benefit from any narcotic.

Psychedelics, if used in a responsible, informed, and mature manner, can be excellent mental tools to facilitate deep and profound bouts of insight, reflection, introspection and overcome or accomplish extraordinary things in regards to creative endeavors. Psychedelics certainly can be quite beneficial and do have their uses, though frequent use and obviously abuse is heavily discouraged as it is still your own mind which you are experimenting with.

Lastly, the entheogenic experience. Entheogens are most beneficial to those who approach them with reverence, and for those who are on a spiritual path, implementation of them into one's practices can prove highly effective, bordering on divine mysticism. Shamans are an excellent example of those who have properly worked with plant teachers and been able to harness their true power and potential in order to better perform their works in consciousness via visionary quests and to be able to work within these altered states with extreme clarity and mastery. The individual who seeks to better enhance their connection with the Universe/the One Infinite Creator may find that undergoing the entheogenic experience may produce very interesting results. Before such a point may be reached, the responsible neo-shaman will inevitably undergo the experience of 'spiritual re-awakening/cleansing'; to this community the preferred terminology would be 'penetrating the veil', or at least thinning it considerably.

In my humble opinion, I rank entheogens as being the most useful tools an entity in 3rd Density could learn to properly utilize to achieve hands-on experience with the Divine, if used responsibly. Not everyone uses them for the pursuits of achieving entheogenic gnosis, however, so it is foolish to think that everyone who uses them will instantly 'perceive the Divine' and that they should be used by anybody. Although, such experiences are non-exclusive and it is always hoped and preferable for the individual who undergoes these states to experience something such as 'merging with the Godhead'.

[Avocado]

I very much agree with what you have said here godwide_void. I feel psychedelics are good tools for vectoring the lives of those spiritually predisposed souls to spiritual reality. I initially read about psychedelics out of interest and was innately drawn in but eventually, after a year or so of seeking and sorrow, the Woodrose seeds did it for me. Months later I discovered the LOO Now I meditate

[godwide_void]

Haha, it's awesome to hear man. The Woodrose seeds, while I feel they function better as nootropics for cognitive enhancement (3-5 seeds, as the vasoconstriction can be a bit much with this LSA source... funny thing also, they were actually used as literal "intelligence enhancers" in Ayurvedic medicine, ancient and present!), also comes with a huge feeling of 'shamanic quiescence' in the air during the trip. Morning Glories, however, tend to be much more visionary and the feelings of divine encompassment and connection are much more pronounced; they are my favorite plant allies to date.

I truly believe there is divinity held within these seeds, which functions as a key which allows you to vibrate at a sufficient and particular frequency level to perceive greater the energies of the Grand Architect. I've had beautiful, ineffable, profound and majestic experiences while out in nature with them. Truly cathartic experiences.

By the way, have you tried pondering the concepts postulated in the Law of One, in psychedelic-altered senses, in conjunction with meditation, y'know, since yer into all three anyways right?

But yeah, I gotta say, the Law of One + LSA/DMT = the 3 major benefactors in my spiritual re-awakening and in extensively furthering progress in my enlightenment and seeking

[yossarian]

Which category does MDMA and weed fall into?

[Liet]

Which category does MDMA and weed fall into?

well, extasy is an empathogen. green/lightblue/purple (at the cost of the entire lower spectrum)
weed is..... weed. red/green (at the cost of violet/yellow, its what retards you)

most substances can be easily broken down into colors in order to describe most of their effect.

[Cyan]

Which category does MDMA and weed fall into?

Exactly the reason why I dont split all narcotics.

I approach them from a stand point of "you do something to your body for the sake of having your body chemistry do something not common to its normal function"

[drifting pages]

I think ~ depends entirely on the user~ is a good one.

[Meerie]

Me too, because it is us who create the experience we are going to have under the influence, not the narcotics.

[drifting pages]

I could say the same thing:

Is life suffering ?

Is existence uncaring ?

Well depends on how you go with it.

It is unconditional allowing of all types of experiences to be.
Narcotics are just doors we have at this point some are more crystallized towards some direction but a true master knows its way.

In fact a true master needs nothing, asks nothing, ponders nothing, the lightest touch is all that is required for the Zero to wield anything.

Yet it is the zero as itself, the mystery the pleasure, the fantasy, the experience the lover.

[Diana]

Your body deserves consideration of anything you put into it. Everyone is individual.

If you are very healthy and take good care of your body, then your liver can handle a little coffee. But if you are eating junk and not exercising, it is a different story.

I would not recommend drugs for spiritual gain. Drugs are hard on the body and while they may open doors, they are destructive. So the gain will come with a price that must be addressed. I differ from many people who say the body doesn't matter. I think it does, as it is part of the current system that is you.

My opinion is that the more you clear your body, mind, and spirit of lower vibrations such as emotional attachments, negative self-talk, childhood traumas, unhealthy and fear-filled foods, stagnate pockets of baggage, the more you will rise to higher levels of being.

[Liet]

I would not recommend drugs for spiritual gain. Drugs are hard on the body and while they may open doors, they are destructive. So the gain will come with a price that must be addressed. I differ from many people who say the body doesn't matter. I think it does, as it is part of the current system that is you.

While i would not recomend for someone to start a drug habit, i do recomend having everyone try most things atleast once.

[Avocado]

Haha, it's awesome to hear man. The Woodrose seeds, while I feel they function better as nootropics for cognitive enhancement

That's cool that you mention that. The experience with the seeds that I was referring to wasn't really even psychedelic now that you mention it. A cognitively enhanced moment describes it much better. Cool

I'll have to look into morning glories. I never considered it but I hadn't realized there was such a difference between them an their hawaiian cousins. They sound delightful.

By the way, have you tried pondering the concepts postulated in the Law of One, in psychedelic-altered senses, in conjunction with meditation, y'know, since yer into all three anyways right?

But yeah, I gotta say, the Law of One + LSA/DMT = the 3 major benefactors in my spiritual re-awakening and in extensively furthering progress in my enlightenment and seeking

That's great, glad to hear. I haven't had a chance to try that combo. As of late I've decided the best way to be of service is to forgo psychedelics completely. It just hasn't been working out lately so I've been looking within for growth. They have given me so much but a lot of fear has come to the surface recently. I used to smoke mariwanja regularly too but I realized she's best smoked sparingly. In fact my mj smoking eventually became an act of fear.

I've always respected the plants but I may not have as much as I thought, hence the break. Perhaps someday I will begin a new relationship with them. For now I'm just grateful for all that they have given me.
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I still want plant friends though! I'm getting some Synaptolepis kirki, this one actually happens to be nootropic

[Shin'Ar]

Firstly, anything regardless of what it is, that can lead to addiction is harmful to the human being. And drugs can cause certain people to fall into a state of dependency where they no longer care about their health or life experience because the state of being they experience under the affect of the drug becomes their life. There are some who will not go out and do anything unless they can be drugged ahead of time. And so because of this risk We would not advise anyone to try anything like this in the first place. We all know someone who has had their life ruined by drugs. Certainly when they first started it they were sure that it was going to be a simple experiment.

Secondly, if one does choose to attempt an experiment to see what benefit they might receive for spiritual purposes, one must understand that whenever one reduces their capacity to experience their environment, they reduce the opportunity to interact with their environment. One may experience particular exaggerations within their drugged state, but what would they be missing that might be taking place in the real world while they are under the influence of the other.

A monk sits in drugged meditation on a grassy hill enjoying the visions and hallucinations that cause him to feel in touch with his spiritual aspect, and people pass by him on the path and look at him in wonderment. They wonder how it is that such a man cannot be aware that he is sitting on an anthill and is being eaten alive.

Reality is the state we are in now. Everything that exists is already here with us. There is no need to experience hallucinations to experience the All. If the consciousness is tuned to being sensitive to our reality there is no drug that can exceed that skill. If anything a drug will reduce one's ability to be in tune with reality. if one wants to experience what may lie beyond the veil, drugs will not assist in that effort. There is only one Way to see the other side, and that is through understanding what the other side is.

[AnthroHeart]

It's kind of scary, when some who are dependent on hard narcotics can have serious accidents. When they go to the hospital, the drugs they give for pain won't work for these people, who are used to even harder stuff. Sometimes the meds to knock you out might not work, like a friend of mine who woke up while they were drilling his knee to insert pins after an accident, and felt the whole thing.

When you're in that much pain after an accident, the adrenaline your body produces counteracts the effects of the pain meds as well.

[Oceania]

that's awful.

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I would not recommend drugs for spiritual gain. Drugs are hard on the body and while they may open doors, they are destructive. So the gain will come with a price that must be addressed. I differ from many people who say the body doesn't matter. I think it does, as it is part of the current system that is you.

While i would not recomend for someone to start a drug habit, i do recomend having everyone try most things atleast once.

heroin? cocaine? meth? acid? really?

[Tenet Nosce]

The word "narcotic" means any substance taken for the explicit purpose of adjusting your brain chemistry.

That is quite an unusual definition of the word "narcotic". Typically, the function/purpose of a narcotic is to dull the perception of pain.

That being said, and according to my fallible opinion, all physical catalyst results in a change in brain chemistry. This would include pharmaceutical drugs and herbal preparations, as well as food or any other substance ingested and/or applied to the body. In addition to various forms of matter, light and sound can also be used to alter brain chemistry.

[Avocado]

Here is my opinion for the sake of contrast of Shin'Ar's.

Visionary plants have many uses and possibilities. Like many things, they are not strictly good nor bad. Of course they are not necessary but the uses of these plants are many. Spiritual and non-spiritual alike there is potential benefit.

The plants are not simply ingested and the all the users problems are solved. Working with these plants is just that, work. Whereas alcohol, caffeine, coca, etc. affect the central nervous system in a mechanical way, entheogens work with the more intangible aspects of consciousness, that which is not simply brain chemistry. For example, to get something big out of these experiences, to be willing to let go is of tremendous value. Going into the journey in a state of acceptance is also valuable. I would say in these two examples much work has done before the experience has begun.

Why on earth are they here? One theory is that these second density creatures is that they have evolved along side us to facilitate/accelerate our evolution and possibly the evolution of second density animals. Now that I've explored the LOO, I must explore the purpose of entheogens. I don't know why they exist but they do.

Now, the word drug is a very interesting one. It has taken on some charge on our planet. Here's from wikipedia:

1- any substance that, when absorbed into the body of a living organism, alters normal bodily function. There is no single, precise definition, as there are different meanings in drug control law, government regulations, medicine, and colloquial usage.

2- In pharmacology, a drug is "a chemical substance used in the treatment, cure, prevention, or diagnosis of disease or used to otherwise enhance physical or mental well-being."

(Welp, here's my unusual view on what drugs are.) Using either definition above, you could label diet as a drug. I love avocados, and raw food matter in general. When I'm eating them I definitely consider them to be part of my overall well being. I feel energized and well. To me an avocado is drugs. I'm pretty sure there have been at least 10,000 phytochemicals that have currently been identified within the avocado to support our health. I love to eat vegetable and fruit drugs. I also love to look them up on the net to see what awesome drugs have been put in them for the nurturing of our bodies. Even though I consider food and drugs as the same thing I really don't refer to either as drugs. I am at a lack of words here. I think it was easy for me to adopt this lens because the cultural programming (in this specific area) never took deep root.

Here's a list of specific drugs contained within some of our favorite foods: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_phy...ls_in_food

I am drugs. Look around us, the physical world is chemistry. Our heavy chemical vehicles, plant and animal life, the oceans, minerals, the sky. It's all chemicals. I choose take the definition of drugs a far as second density life forms however. I don't to refer to the earth as a giant ball of drugs, but I suppose that's fine if you really wanted to.

In regard to the cultural programming mentioned deoxy.org briefly explains the meme called drugs

'Drugs' is a word that has polluted the well of language.

Part of the reason we have a drug problem is because we don't have an intelligent language to talk about substances, plants, psychedelic [and] sedative states of mind, states of amphetamine excitation. We can't make sense of the problem and the opportunities offered by substances unless we clean up our language.

If you want an interesting take on drugs/culture together, check out deoxy.