are you ready for harvest right NOW?

[Bring4th_Austin]

Are we mixing metaphors though? "Harvest" and "Ascension". Seems so,lately. I think they are different concepts. Ascension seems to refer to something that might happen to the human race to spiritually advance us physically in this density...to prepare us?

While, Harvest is a path taken at death's door to review the previous lives and graduate to the next density...or not.

Is "Ascension" even mnetioned in the Ra & Qu'o material at all?

Richard

The term "ascension" is not mentioned by Ra at any point, but There is a recent Q'uo session dealing with the concept:
http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/is..._0219.aspx

In this instrument’s mind, we find the word “ascension” to have connotations of confusion and chaos. This, my friends, is because as long as spiritual texts have been offered to the people of your planet, the subject of ascension has been one that is held in heavy dispute. Depending upon the way one’s culture works, ascension may or may not be a part of the tenets of the religion of the culture. It may or may not be the way that particular religious or philosophical system describes spiritual advancement. Therefore, there is a certain amount of emotion that clusters around this concept and tends to create a situation in which it is difficult to speak about the subject without exciting emotion.

I doubt that personal definitions of ascension are often consistent for different individuals. I feel like it is a term capitalized on by the superficial side of the New Age movement to help sell books. It could be set as an ambiguous goal, and then specific steps to reach that goal may be presented and used...as long as you buy this easy-to-read book, the 20 Easy Steps to Ascension, the sequel book, The 2 Secret Steps to Ascension, and the 4 CD compilations, 30 Quick Meditations for Ascension, and then go see the author speak for a low low payment of $250...and then, when you complain to the author, "I bought everything and I haven't ascended," they can respond, "oh, but haven't you?"

[Oceania]

it's been said ascencion happens when we die. it means to rise up. not necessarily to do with the human race. for example Abraham has a joke that to ascend, just have to die. it's that simple. to me that was obnoxious and simplified not to mention disrespectful to use semantics to mock people's questions. abraham annoys me sometimes.

harvest is less used. the word means to pick the ripe fruit of your labor. so that's self explanatory. when you're ready, you get collected. harvest happens in groups.

so i got an opposite view on it.

[3DMonkey]

Q'uo really fills in the gaps. Thank god for Q'uo.

[Edinburgh]

Are we mixing metaphors though? "Harvest" and "Ascension". Seems so,lately. I think they are different concepts. Ascension seems to refer to something that might happen to the human race to spiritually advance us physically in this density...to prepare us?

While, Harvest is a path taken at death's door to review the previous lives and graduate to the next density...or not.

Is "Ascension" even mnetioned in the Ra & Qu'o material at all?

Richard

It maybe a lot of us on this forum got confused with that Richard. You are right, harvest is what's supposed to happen on review of that 'final' out of body experience from this body. (some might have some inklings with that review with previous OOBE's).

But Quo did mention a harvest that was supposed to happen during the Winter solstice 2011? Did Quo get it wrong? If there is to be NO 'mass event' (in Quos words), certainly no 'earth changing' event. AND if harvest happens on death, not before, then surely this whole direction we've been on, thinking a mass event (ascension) is to happen is flawed? Is Quo confused on all this, or is it us? Quo says harvest is to happen, but also says no world events to happen either. So that sounds like people are going be ascended subtly, and then we forget they ever existed?

It could be that as Austin says, we've all been led up the garden path by those looking to sell more material to us. Look at Calleman ... the man was still updating his product line, right up to the last moments when he felt a huge event was to happen that would make money useless. Surely he would sell the stock at half price in the last moments (!!) or give it away to 'educate' the poor fools 'who don't have any idea'.

Personally, I think we should go back to Gnosticism ... belief based on KNOWING and experiencing the 'spiritual world', in a tangible way, not just conceptually. Isn't what the Essenes were about as well? Some South American Churches also practice this now. What ever label you put on it, just being more spiritually aware is a good thing I feel. Even if it means buying more books, CDs, attending events ... but please, please, don't get into a doom and gloom type of thinking. Or ascension type of thinking. Ultimately, it means a lot of people put off what they should be doing now - which is being all they could be, all their spirit/ soul wants them to be.

Peace y'all.

[unity100]

It maybe a lot of us on this forum got confused with that Richard. You are right, harvest is what's supposed to happen on review of that 'final' out of body experience from this body. (some might have some inklings with that review with previous OOBE's). [

not quite. ra says 'those not in incarnation at this time will be included at harvest'. this means, those who are incarnated, will also be included in the harvest. otherwise there is no point in explicitly mentioning that entities already in time/space would be included in the harvest.

this poses the curious question of how will harvest happen for entities in incarnation.

But Quo did mention a harvest that was supposed to happen during the Winter solstice 2011? Did Quo get it wrong? If there is to be NO 'mass event' (in Quos words), certainly no 'earth changing' event. AND if harvest happens on death, not before, then surely this whole direction we've been on, thinking a mass event (ascension) is to happen is flawed? Is Quo confused on all this, or is it us? Quo says harvest is to happen, but also says no world events to happen either. So that sounds like people are going be ascended subtly, and then we forget they ever existed?

ra also said that harvest was to happen in 2011, making harvest an event that would fit within a year.

[3DMonkey]

Unity100 doesn't read my posts. Paraphrasing, Ra said they were horrible with numbers and can't be relied on to be correct.

[irpsit]

I am ready for the harvest (no rush or worry here), but I think I am not polarized enough (STO) to afford graduation.

However, I am speaking from my mind perspective (only this life) and not from soul perspective (the big picture).

But, even with my slow advance I am willing to continue what my heart/soul wishes. At the moment I live in an ecovillage where mutual help is appreciated but not to a large extent, so I also don't go to that large extent. I think I am something like 70% STS, 30% STO. I don't do anything controlling or bad behaviour, my STS is mostly daily pleasures of internet, music, food, talking, etc. Perhaps I should take more time with others. It takes time to learn that! I think that is going to be the rest of my life (next decades).

I have also rarely seen someone more than 51% STO.

What about the rest of you?

[native]

Yes, I often wonder if I really am doing enough practically speaking. I take that as a sign that I'm not. It's too easy to get caught up in advancements of the mind, when simple acts of service are needed. I like the story Ram Dass tells when he asks his guru how he should go about getting closer to God, and he says "Feed people."