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    3DMonkey

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    10-15-2011, 06:55 PM
    A new thread to avoid derailing.

    (10-15-2011, 10:30 AM)zenmaster Wrote:
    (10-15-2011, 09:56 AM)3DMonkey Wrote:
    (10-14-2011, 08:48 PM)zenmaster Wrote:
    (10-14-2011, 12:32 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: It's one way of using contrast to integrate emotions through metaphor.
    But that's sort of like saying someone removes the cause of physical pain by integrating yelling or wincing.

    One doesn't integrate emotions. An emotion is an unconscious reaction to some aspect of self that had not been integrated (acknowledged and accepted). You could call this a 'misunderstanding', an 'imbalance', a 'blockage', etc. The emotion is a response to a mind pattern (such as a complex) which has been engaged by some stimulus which brought awareness close to it. What is being integrated is how one views that which is reinforcing the distortion. When the distortion being held on to is seen as being unnecessary, the pattern is balanced and becomes part of usable consciousness. That is the form of integration.

    Is your view that the unconscious is causing unbalance?]
    The relationship of consciousness to unconsciousness is the balance or unbalance.

    I don't agree. The only difference between the unconscious and the conscious is that one is on the table and the other is in the cabinet, so to speak.

    (10-15-2011, 10:30 AM)zenmaster Wrote:
    (10-15-2011, 09:56 AM)3DMonkey Wrote: Are you suggesting that expressing emotion is unwanted?
    No.

    (10-15-2011, 09:56 AM)3DMonkey Wrote: Are you saying that emotion is a mind complex and an unconscious reaction?
    No. Emotion is the result of an imbalance (a distortion) that is manifesting at the body (physical) level. That distortion can be a complex of mind. The point is something (a distortion) which is still unconscious which dictates behavior.

    I don't understand emotion as the result of an imbalance. Why cannot emotion also be the expression of balance?

    (10-15-2011, 10:30 AM)zenmaster Wrote:
    (10-15-2011, 09:56 AM)3DMonkey Wrote: Do you think expressing emotion is an indication Of imbalance or of a balancing act itself?
    Any consciousness directed towards knowing self/other-self, no matter what the object of consciousness, that is is going to lead to balance. That's the nature of learning. An emotional reaction is an indication of an ultimately unnecessary distortion, 100% of the time. Again, this is not to say emotion is something 'unwanted'.

    In that sense, everything is ultimately unnecessary if it just falls away. And what is left?

    I see emotion as any other expression of energy. Is not balance itself an emotion?

    (10-15-2011, 10:30 AM)zenmaster Wrote:
    (10-15-2011, 09:56 AM)3DMonkey Wrote: I've had emotional reactions, and then I've had mental thoughts about emotions. The two appear very different to me.
    They are different. Emotional reactions made their way down to the physical precisely due to lack of awareness (integration of pertinent distortions) at the mental level. Thoughts about emotions are often memories or associations which draw the distortions closer to conscious awareness.

    The 'distortions' are often related to a misunderstanding - usually due to the manner in which a past event or association was directed to be formed (as a memory) by consciousness. So the distortion is often related to an unknown bias or preferences: what we like or we do not like. The distortion, in effect, holds energy in pattern - a construct. The mind can easily, with complete autonomy, hold on to that distortion, in a relatively unchanged form, for a lifetime.

    There are emotions created in the body that move their way to the mind.

    When I had surgery, I was overwhelmed with emotion that absolutely did not derive from my mind. Upon experiencing them, I used my mind to contemplate why. From here, I could postulate any creative idea I wanted. As a "spiritually minded" person, I of course, made some kind of connection that my spirit was grieving a "loss" and the energy needed a place to manifest. Some may call this a conscious attempt to know self, and I would say to them that it is just a person's particular choice of belief that is their way of being human. This having no more validity or effectiveness than any other method or choice.

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    10-15-2011, 07:41 PM
    (10-15-2011, 06:55 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: A new thread to avoid derailing.

    (10-15-2011, 10:30 AM)zenmaster Wrote:
    (10-15-2011, 09:56 AM)3DMonkey Wrote:
    (10-14-2011, 08:48 PM)zenmaster Wrote:
    (10-14-2011, 12:32 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: It's one way of using contrast to integrate emotions through metaphor.
    But that's sort of like saying someone removes the cause of physical pain by integrating yelling or wincing.

    One doesn't integrate emotions. An emotion is an unconscious reaction to some aspect of self that had not been integrated (acknowledged and accepted). You could call this a 'misunderstanding', an 'imbalance', a 'blockage', etc. The emotion is a response to a mind pattern (such as a complex) which has been engaged by some stimulus which brought awareness close to it. What is being integrated is how one views that which is reinforcing the distortion. When the distortion being held on to is seen as being unnecessary, the pattern is balanced and becomes part of usable consciousness. That is the form of integration.

    Is your view that the unconscious is causing unbalance?]
    The relationship of consciousness to unconsciousness is the balance or unbalance.

    I don't agree. The only difference between the unconscious and the conscious is that one is on the table and the other is in the cabinet, so to speak.

    The unconscious doesn't cause imbalance. The imbalance is due to particular distortions being emphasized or held on to, due to lack of acceptance of something in the unconscious. So we have the balance of the unconscious and conscious.

    (10-15-2011, 06:55 PM)3DMonkey Wrote:
    (10-15-2011, 10:30 AM)zenmaster Wrote:
    (10-15-2011, 09:56 AM)3DMonkey Wrote: Are you suggesting that expressing emotion is unwanted?
    No.
    (10-15-2011, 09:56 AM)3DMonkey Wrote: Are you saying that emotion is a mind complex and an unconscious reaction?
    No. Emotion is the result of an imbalance (a distortion) that is manifesting at the body (physical) level. That distortion can be a complex of mind. The point is something (a distortion) which is still unconscious which dictates behavior.

    I don't understand emotion as the result of an imbalance. Why cannot emotion also be the expression of balance?
    It can be, but as an unconscious reaction there must be movement from the unconscious to the conscious for it to find expression. Since balance is relative to imbalance, and emotions are due to complex patterning of the unconscious, which necessarily is still out of reach. We can only say that the expression of the emotional reaction is merely influenced by some balance.

    (10-15-2011, 06:55 PM)3DMonkey Wrote:
    (10-15-2011, 10:30 AM)zenmaster Wrote:
    (10-15-2011, 09:56 AM)3DMonkey Wrote: Do you think expressing emotion is an indication Of imbalance or of a balancing act itself?
    Any consciousness directed towards knowing self/other-self, no matter what the object of consciousness, that is is going to lead to balance. That's the nature of learning. An emotional reaction is an indication of an ultimately unnecessary distortion, 100% of the time. Again, this is not to say emotion is something 'unwanted'.

    In that sense, everything is ultimately unnecessary if it just falls away. And what is left?
    A new level of awareness.

    (10-15-2011, 06:55 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: I see emotion as any other expression of energy. Is not balance itself an emotion?
    There is sort of like a homeostatic condition between the unconscious and conscious. That's the balance I'm referring to.

    (10-15-2011, 06:55 PM)3DMonkey Wrote:
    (10-15-2011, 10:30 AM)zenmaster Wrote:
    (10-15-2011, 09:56 AM)3DMonkey Wrote: I've had emotional reactions, and then I've had mental thoughts about emotions. The two appear very different to me.
    They are different. Emotional reactions made their way down to the physical precisely due to lack of awareness (integration of pertinent distortions) at the mental level. Thoughts about emotions are often memories or associations which draw the distortions closer to conscious awareness.

    The 'distortions' are often related to a misunderstanding - usually due to the manner in which a past event or association was directed to be formed (as a memory) by consciousness. So the distortion is often related to an unknown bias or preferences: what we like or we do not like. The distortion, in effect, holds energy in pattern - a construct. The mind can easily, with complete autonomy, hold on to that distortion, in a relatively unchanged form, for a lifetime.

    There are emotions created in the body that move their way to the mind.

    Then when we are talking about emotions, we are definitely not talking about the same thing.
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    10-15-2011, 07:55 PM
    Could that be feelings 3DMonkey that your body has, rather than emotions?

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    10-15-2011, 08:03 PM
    It is difficult to differentiate. Is crying a feeling or an emotion?

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    10-15-2011, 08:08 PM
    The term feelings and emotions are used interchangeably. However, there is a psychological faculty of feeling that can be made conscious. In that sense a feeling is not an emotion, because it is directed consciousness. In the conscious application of feeling it's complementary to thinking.


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    10-15-2011, 11:51 PM
    Quote: There is sort of like a homeostatic condition between the unconscious and conscious.
    Hard one to pull off being born in this society.

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    10-16-2011, 02:49 AM
    (10-15-2011, 11:51 PM)Pickle Wrote:
    Quote: There is sort of like a homeostatic condition between the unconscious and conscious.
    Hard one to pull off being born in this society.
    "There is no experience which is not purchased by effort of some kind". Nothing is wasted, regardless of circumstance. The victim role is useless.


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    Im not talking victim. Im talking circumventing the "operating system", the programming. You do notice they have changed things since you were a kid? They start up the programming at a younger age now. Pre-pre-school LoL.

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    10-16-2011, 02:04 PM
    Quote:42.1 Questioner: I am assuming that the balanced entity would not be swayed either towards positive or negative emotions by any situation which he might confront. By remaining unemotional in any situation, the balanced entity may clearly discern the appropriate and necessary responses in harmony with the Law of One for each situation. Is this correct?

    Ra: I am Ra. This is an incorrect application of the balancing which we have discussed. The exercise of first experiencing feelings and then consciously discovering their antitheses within the being has as its objective not the smooth flow of feelings both positive and negative while remaining unswayed but rather the objective of becoming unswayed. This is a simpler result and takes much practice, shall we say.

    The catalyst of experience works in order for the learn/teachings of this density to occur. However, if there is seen in the being a response, even if it is simply observed, the entity is still using the catalyst for learn/teaching. The end result is that the catalyst is no longer needed. Thus this density is no longer needed. [Harvest time!] This is not indifference or objectivity but a finely tuned compassion and love which sees all things as love. This seeing elicits no response due to catalytic reactions. Thus the entity is now able to become co-Creator of experiential occurrences. This is the truer balance.

    Quote:42.8 Questioner: What is the difference in terms of energy center activation between a person who represses emotional responses to emotionally charged situations and the person who is balanced and, therefore, truly unswayed by emotionally charged situations?

    Ra: I am Ra. This query contains an incorrect assumption. To the truly balanced entity no situation would be emotionally charged. With this understood, we may say the following: The repression of emotions depolarizes the entity in so far as it then chooses not to use the catalytic action of the space/time present in a spontaneous manner, thus dimming the energy centers. There is, however, some polarization towards positive if the cause of this repression is consideration for other-selves. The entity which has worked long enough with the catalyst to be able to feel the catalyst but not find it necessary to express reactions is not yet balanced but suffers no depolarization due to the transparency of its experiential continuum. Thus the gradual increase in the ability to observe one’s reaction and to know the self will bring the self ever closer to a true balance. Patience is requested and suggested, for the catalyst is intense upon your plane and its use must be appreciated over a period of consistent learn/teaching.

    I recently reread this part of Book II and felt an excitement that I don't remember from the first time. It must be important to me now, and maybe to all of us. I hope it helps.
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    Quote:42.9 Questioner: How can a person know when he is unswayed by an emotionally charged situation or if he is repressing the flow of emotions, or if he is in balance and truly unswayed?

    Ra:
    I am Ra. We have spoken to this point. Therefore, we shall briefly iterate that to the balanced entity no situation has an emotional charge but is simply a situation like any other in which the entity may or may not observe an opportunity to be of service. The closer an entity comes to this attitude the closer an entity is to balance. You may note that it is not our recommendation that reactions to catalyst be repressed or suppressed unless such reactions would be a stumbling block not consonant with the Law of One to an other-self. It is far, far better to allow the experience to express itself in order that the entity may then make fuller use of this catalyst.

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    10-16-2011, 07:27 PM (This post was last modified: 10-16-2011, 07:47 PM by Bring4th_Austin.)
    (10-16-2011, 05:10 PM)zenmaster Wrote:
    Quote:42.9 Questioner: How can a person know when he is unswayed by an emotionally charged situation or if he is repressing the flow of emotions, or if he is in balance and truly unswayed?

    Ra:
    I am Ra. We have spoken to this point. Therefore, we shall briefly iterate that to the balanced entity no situation has an emotional charge but is simply a situation like any other in which the entity may or may not observe an opportunity to be of service. The closer an entity comes to this attitude the closer an entity is to balance. You may note that it is not our recommendation that reactions to catalyst be repressed or suppressed unless such reactions would be a stumbling block not consonant with the Law of One to an other-self. It is far, far better to allow the experience to express itself in order that the entity may then make fuller use of this catalyst.

    Essentially, in my understanding, even if a situation is met with "positive" emotion, this could cloud a truly objective perspective, resulting in the possibility of imbalanced actions. To be sure of a truly STO action, it must originate in an emotionally neutral state.

    This out of most things presented in the Ra material seems to be the hardest concept to accept, or may seem disheartening. Realizing our emotions are distortions to be balanced, or wrinkles in a sheet to be smoothed out, our personality basically being the culmination of these distortions and emotions, I feel like the ego may perceive this as destruction (it sort of is, isn't it? for the ego anyways), and reacts in order to protect itself.

    An existence where "personality" is something to be shed may seem like a very boring existence. But there was a point in time, not so long ago, I thought meditating, gardening, slow walks in nature, and things of that sort were very boring. Now, these are my favorite things to do.
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    (10-16-2011, 07:27 PM)abridgetoofar Wrote: An existence where "personality" is something to be shed may seem like a very boring existence. But there was a point in time, not so long ago, I thought meditating, gardening, slow walks in nature, and things of that sort were very boring. Now, these are my favorite things to do.


    Awesome. Yeah, I'm doing the things now that I used to be afraid to do.

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    (10-16-2011, 07:27 PM)abridgetoofar Wrote:
    (10-16-2011, 05:10 PM)zenmaster Wrote:
    Quote:42.9 Questioner: How can a person know when he is unswayed by an emotionally charged situation or if he is repressing the flow of emotions, or if he is in balance and truly unswayed?

    Ra:
    I am Ra. We have spoken to this point. Therefore, we shall briefly iterate that to the balanced entity no situation has an emotional charge but is simply a situation like any other in which the entity may or may not observe an opportunity to be of service. The closer an entity comes to this attitude the closer an entity is to balance. You may note that it is not our recommendation that reactions to catalyst be repressed or suppressed unless such reactions would be a stumbling block not consonant with the Law of One to an other-self. It is far, far better to allow the experience to express itself in order that the entity may then make fuller use of this catalyst.

    Essentially, in my understanding, even if a situation is met with "positive" emotion, this could cloud a truly objective perspective, resulting in the possibility of imbalanced actions. To be sure of a truly STO action, it must originate in an emotionally neutral state.

    This out of most things presented in the Ra material seems to be the hardest concept to accept, or may seem disheartening. Realizing our emotions are distortions to be balanced, or wrinkles in a sheet to be smoothed out, our personality basically being the culmination of these distortions and emotions, I feel like the ego may perceive this as destruction (it sort of is, isn't it? for the ego anyways), and reacts in order to protect itself.

    An existence where "personality" is something to be shed may seem like a very boring existence. But there was a point in time, not so long ago, I thought meditating, gardening, slow walks in nature, and things of that sort were very boring. Now, these are my favorite things to do.

    See there? Those things feel good, do they? It must give you a feeling of accomplishment and emotional lift to have grown and learned?

    I think to pretend we don't want to feel in order to feel a sense that we are balanced is not what Ra was getting at. Neither do I read the words of Ra as ever suggesting we try to achieve a balanced state.

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    (10-17-2011, 06:40 AM)3DMonkey Wrote: See there? Those things feel good, do they? It must give you a feeling of accomplishment and emotional lift to have grown and learned?

    I think to pretend we don't want to feel in order to feel a sense that we are balanced is not what Ra was getting at. Neither do I read the words of Ra as ever suggesting we try to achieve a balanced state.

    I don't believe that contentment and calmness are what Ra was talking about when they say "emotional charge," which are the only things I feel having done those things. Emotional lift when a blockages is removed, maybe, but not accomplishment or anything. If content were in the middle of the emotional spectrum, any time I feel anything on either side of it I strive to understand and balance that state.

    I also don't think it's about "not wanting to feel" either. Of course Ra never wanted to suggest that balance is something we SHOULD do - I don't think they'd ever say we should or shouldn't do anything - but they did describe HOW to balance, and the benefits of striving for balance. Balance plays a key role in polarization and harvest, but if you don't feel like it's something you want to do then just don't. But maybe contemplating why you don't wish to achieve a balanced state is catalyst you may be able to use.
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    10-17-2011, 09:04 AM
    I don't think Ra spoke of striving for balance. Ra explained the process. I think it is just a matter of process, like digesting food. It happens. It's the way of energy. It just is. Trying or not trying, balance is achieved.

    Ra says to experience the crap out of emotion. They say to be who you are above all else. They never suggested balancing was something to try. Imo
    All that "try stuff" is just personal preference to FEEL better about life. Feeling better about life comes in all shapes and sizes, and not one method lasts forever, not one.
    Mostly, it was mentioned due to the questions about it. Don't you think the questioner tortured self with trying to achieve "balance".
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    (10-17-2011, 09:04 AM)3DMonkey Wrote: I don't think Ra spoke of striving for balance. Ra explained the process. I think it is just a matter of process, like digesting food. It happens. It's the way of energy. It just is. Trying or not trying, balance is achieved.

    Once I have time tonight, I will find the different points in the material where Ra describes striving for balance. There are a couple times, once in session 15, where they give a specific exercise for striving for balance.

    Balance may happen by chance in experiencing catalyst, but catalyst must be processed in order for the balance. If catalyst is not processes then balance is not achieved. I feel like someone could go through an entire life full of catalyst and not use any of it, and leaving the incarnation less balanced than they entered. I do not believe it's something that always just happens. It might happen without trying sometimes, but definitely not all the time.

    Ra also says that balance is key to being harvested. Without proper balance, we cannot handle the appropriate amount of light to advance to 4th density, and will repeat a 3rd density cycle again. I'll find this quote tonight too. That is, if you wish to see these parts of the material.

    Quote:Ra says to experience the crap out of emotion. They say to be who you are above all else. They never suggested balancing was something to try. Imo

    They did suggest that balancing was something to try and was something one could strive for, but didn't suggest that one SHOULD strive for it. Like I said, they even gave some very specific balancing exercises dealing with emotion if one wished to strive for balance.
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    (10-17-2011, 09:04 AM)3DMonkey Wrote: All that "try stuff" is just personal preference to FEEL better about life. Feeling better about life comes in all shapes and sizes, and not one method lasts forever, not one.
    Well according to David R Hawkins there is one method that will last forever once you have achieved it... read post #825 in the time thread where he explains how that feels like. I think it is possible. Infact it is our god-given state of mind imo. Anyone can reach it if they set out to do so.



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    10-17-2011, 09:54 AM
    A typical paradox :¬)

    How can one not feel happy when helping others? And once you choose that path, you align yourself with it. Hence, you feel happy all of the time. A still mind during meditation feels like bliss.

    I am happy to feel happy throughout this life, meeting that which I do not choose with neutrality, as I personally think suppressing emotions (especially the positive) in order to become neutral, is a wasted incarnation on this beautiful planet.

    The true self we discover within ourselves is one of bliss and passion. It's the driving force to create and evolve, the élan vital.

    Could you imagine a nation of neutral beings, indifferent to everything, striving to rid the self of feeling? How can that possibly be evolution, when the One Creator created creation (hah!) in order to experience.

    I believe that Ra was pointing to the fact that when one balances positively - in service to others - being in a state of love is balanced, able to respond to catalyst, rather than react emotionally.

    Being balanced is being responsive, not emotionally reactive.

    I also believe that Wanderers incarnated here to lift the spirits, to choose love/passion and energy, in which to help the planet. Not to become emotional robots, neutral to love. How can that possibly help? Unless of course you're actually on the path of STS, wanting to make the harvest.

    Get out there and appreciate the beauty of this place and each other! BigSmile
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    (10-17-2011, 09:54 AM)Namaste Wrote: A typical paradox :¬)

    How can one not feel happy when helping others? And once you choose that path, you align yourself with it. Hence, you feel happy all of the time. A still mind during meditation feels like bliss.

    I am happy to feel happy throughout this life, meeting that which I do not choose with neutrality, as I personally think suppressing emotions (especially the positive) in order to become neutral, is a wasted incarnation on this beautiful planet.

    The true self we discover within ourselves is one of bliss and passion. It's the driving force to create and evolve, the élan vital.

    Could you imagine a nation of neutral beings, indifferent to everything, striving to rid the self of feeling? How can that possibly be evolution, when the One Creator created creation (hah!) in order to experience.

    I believe that Ra was pointing to the fact that when one balances positively - in service to others - being in a state of love is balanced, able to respond to catalyst, rather than react emotionally.

    Being balanced is being responsive, not emotionally reactive.

    I also believe that Wanderers incarnated here to lift the spirits, to choose love/passion and energy, in which to help the planet. Not to become emotional robots, neutral to love. How can that possibly help? Unless of course you're actually on the path of STS, wanting to make the harvest.

    Get out there and appreciate the beauty of this place and each other! BigSmile

    I agree. I also know these are all mental configurations to feel better. Of course, we all want to feel better.
    I am not striving to be STS, but I do know they feel better when they do what they do.

    (10-17-2011, 09:21 AM)abridgetoofar Wrote: Ra also says that balance is key to being harvested. Without proper balance, we cannot handle the appropriate amount of light to advance to 4th density, and will repeat a 3rd density cycle again. I'll find this quote tonight too. That is, if you wish to see these parts of the material.

    Yes, please do.




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    10-17-2011, 10:32 AM
    Absolutely agree. Could not have said it better myself.

    (10-17-2011, 09:04 AM)3DMonkey Wrote: Ra says to experience the crap out of emotion. They say to be who you are above all else. They never suggested balancing was something to try. Imo




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    (10-17-2011, 09:22 AM)Meerie Wrote:
    (10-17-2011, 09:04 AM)3DMonkey Wrote: All that "try stuff" is just personal preference to FEEL better about life. Feeling better about life comes in all shapes and sizes, and not one method lasts forever, not one.
    Well according to David R Hawkins there is one method that will last forever once you have achieved it... read post #825 in the time thread where he explains how that feels like. I think it is possible. Infact it is our god-given state of mind imo. Anyone can reach it if they set out to do so.

    Reaching it is easy enough. It doesn't last. I guarantee. Not that it needs to. Everything is a manifestation and created through other existences as energy moving about, just like Hawkins said in post 825, just like the words themselves are not a constant but a manifestation.

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    10-17-2011, 11:19 AM
    He says he has been in this state ever since. Others have also reached it, Raman Maharshi, for example. Emotions come and go, still, but they are only a reminder of what it used to be. They accessed the infinite peace and calm that lies behind the mind chatter. (ironically enough the mind and ego is only about 1% of our potential! go figure. 99 % is peace and quiet. Should not be too hard to get past the one percent, right?)

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    10-17-2011, 03:38 PM
    (10-17-2011, 02:56 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: I searched Law of One for emotion, and was so excited by this.

    75.32 Questioner: The three aspects of the magical personality are stated to be power, love, and wisdom. Is this correct and are these the only primary aspects of the magical personality?

    Ra: I am Ra. The three aspects of the magical personality, power, love, and wisdom, are so called in order that attention be paid to each aspect in developing the basic tool of the adept; that is, its self. It is by no means a personality of three aspects. It is a being of unity, a being of sixth density, and equivalent to what you call your Higher Self and at the same time is a personality enormously rich in variety of experience and subtlety of emotion.



    By the way, I have shared proportionately all of my creator powers equally with Pur. It really requires mega-trust to do so. Our relationship now is creator/creator. We now keep each other in balance.
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    10-17-2011, 09:12 PM
    Ra emphasized the importance of balance many times.

    Balancing is the key to opening the gateway to intelligent infinity:

    Quote:29.27 Questioner: Then you are saying that there is no single level of purity required to tap intelligent energy through crystals but there can be a wide variation in the amount of distortion that an entity may have, but each entity has to reach his particular point of what I might call energizing the ability. Is this right?

    Ra: I am Ra. This is incorrect. The necessity is for the mind/body/spirit complex to be of a certain balance, this balance thus enabling it to reach a set level of lack of distortion. The critical difficulties are unique for each mind/body/spirit complex due to the experiential distillations which in total are the, shall we say, violet-ray being-ness of each such entity.

    This balance is what is necessary for work to be done in seeking the gateway to intelligent infinity through the use of crystals or through any other use. No two mind/body/spirit crystallized natures are the same. The distortion requirements, vibrationally speaking, are set.

    Balance is necessary for harvestability:

    Quote:40.4 Questioner: Then bodily energy centers for an individual, assuming that the individual evolves in a straight line from first through to eighth density, would then be activated to completion if everything worked as it should? Would each chakra be activated to completion and greatest intensity by the end of the experience in each density?

    Ra: I am Ra. Hypothetically speaking, this is correct. However, the fully activated being is rare. Much emphasis is laid upon the harmonies and balances of individuals. It is necessary for graduation across densities for the primary energy centers to be functioning in such a way as to communicate with intelligent infinity and to appreciate and bask in this light in all of its purity. However, to fully activate each energy center is the mastery of few, for each center has a variable speed of rotation or activity. The important observation to be made once all necessary centers are activated to the minimal necessary degree is the harmony and balance between these energy centers.

    41.18 Questioner: Thank you. In the session from the day before yesterday you mentioned variable speed of rotation or activity of energy centers. What did you mean by that?

    Ra: I am Ra. Each energy center has a wide range of rotational speed or as you may see it more clearly in relation to color, brilliance. The more strongly the will of the entity concentrates upon and refines or purifies each energy center, the more brilliant or rotationally active each energy center will be. It is not necessary for the energy centers to be activated in order in the case of the self-aware entity. Thusly entities may have extremely brilliant energy centers while being quite unbalanced in their violet ray aspect due to lack of attention paid to the totality of experience of the entity.

    The key to balance may then be seen in the unstudied, spontaneous, and honest response of entities toward experiences, thus using experience to the utmost, then applying the balancing exercises and achieving the proper attitude for the most purified spectrum of energy center manifestation in violet ray. This is why the brilliance or rotational speed of the energy centers is not considered above the balanced aspect or violet ray manifestation of an entity in regarding harvestability; for those entities which are unbalanced, especially as to the primary rays, will not be capable of sustaining the impact of the love and light of intelligent infinity to the extent necessary for harvest.

    The goal of third density includes balancing: "This is the game: to know, to accept, to forgive, to balance, and to open the self in love."

    Most harvestable people on earth are working on balance: "Most of those harvestable at this space/time nexus have partial control over the outer illusion and are using the outer catalyst to work upon some bias which is not yet in balance."

    Crystal healing requires balance:

    Quote:57.6 Questioner: Would you tell me how to use that crystal for this purpose?

    Ra: I am Ra. This is a large question.

    You first, as a mind/body/spirit complex, balance and polarize the self, connecting the inner light with the upward spiraling in-pourings of the universal light. You have done exercises to regularize the processes involved. Look to them for the preparation of the crystallized being.

    Take then the crystal and feel your polarized and potentiated balanced energy channeled in green ray healing through your being, going into and activating the crystalline regularity of frozen light which is the crystal.

    The disciplined personality is balanced: "The disciplined personality, when faced with an other-self, has all centers balanced according to its unique balance. Thusly the other-self looks in a mirror seeing its self."
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    10-18-2011, 06:28 AM
    (10-17-2011, 09:12 PM)βαθμιαίος Wrote: The goal of third density includes balancing: "This is the game: to know, to accept, to forgive, to balance, and to open the self in love."

    My sentiments exactly.

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    10-18-2011, 07:12 AM
    It is a game.

    The may point of bringing this thread to light was to explore emotions role in balance.

    I know, I have many different views on what the material is. One of these views is that emotions are never to be overcome, but fully experienced. Even when catalyst is no longer needed, I claim there is still emotion expressed within that experience of not needed that catalyst.

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    10-18-2011, 07:29 AM
    (10-18-2011, 07:12 AM)3DMonkey Wrote: Even when catalyst is no longer needed, I claim there is still emotion expressed within that experience of not needed that catalyst.

    I think that's right, and the emotion is love.

    Quote:The end result is that the catalyst is no longer needed. Thus this density is no longer needed. This is not indifference or objectivity but a finely tuned compassion and love which sees all things as love.

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    10-18-2011, 07:33 AM
    (10-17-2011, 09:12 PM)βαθμιαίος Wrote: Ra emphasized the importance of balance many times.

    Balancing is the key to opening the gateway to intelligent infinity:

    Quote:29.27 Questioner: Then you are saying that there is no single level of purity required to tap intelligent energy through crystals but there can be a wide variation in the amount of distortion that an entity may have, but each entity has to reach his particular point of what I might call energizing the ability. Is this right?

    Ra: I am Ra. This is incorrect. The necessity is for the mind/body/spirit complex to be of a certain balance, this balance thus enabling it to reach a set level of lack of distortion. The critical difficulties are unique for each mind/body/spirit complex due to the experiential distillations which in total are the, shall we say, violet-ray being-ness of each such entity.

    This balance is what is necessary for work to be done in seeking the gateway to intelligent infinity through the use of crystals or through any other use. No two mind/body/spirit crystallized natures are the same. The distortion requirements, vibrationally speaking, are set.

    Balance is necessary for harvestability:

    Quote:40.4 Questioner: Then bodily energy centers for an individual, assuming that the individual evolves in a straight line from first through to eighth density, would then be activated to completion if everything worked as it should? Would each chakra be activated to completion and greatest intensity by the end of the experience in each density?

    Ra: I am Ra. Hypothetically speaking, this is correct. However, the fully activated being is rare. Much emphasis is laid upon the harmonies and balances of individuals. It is necessary for graduation across densities for the primary energy centers to be functioning in such a way as to communicate with intelligent infinity and to appreciate and bask in this light in all of its purity. However, to fully activate each energy center is the mastery of few, for each center has a variable speed of rotation or activity. The important observation to be made once all necessary centers are activated to the minimal necessary degree is the harmony and balance between these energy centers.

    41.18 Questioner: Thank you. In the session from the day before yesterday you mentioned variable speed of rotation or activity of energy centers. What did you mean by that?

    Ra: I am Ra. Each energy center has a wide range of rotational speed or as you may see it more clearly in relation to color, brilliance. The more strongly the will of the entity concentrates upon and refines or purifies each energy center, the more brilliant or rotationally active each energy center will be. It is not necessary for the energy centers to be activated in order in the case of the self-aware entity. Thusly entities may have extremely brilliant energy centers while being quite unbalanced in their violet ray aspect due to lack of attention paid to the totality of experience of the entity.

    The key to balance may then be seen in the unstudied, spontaneous, and honest response of entities toward experiences, thus using experience to the utmost, then applying the balancing exercises and achieving the proper attitude for the most purified spectrum of energy center manifestation in violet ray. This is why the brilliance or rotational speed of the energy centers is not considered above the balanced aspect or violet ray manifestation of an entity in regarding harvestability; for those entities which are unbalanced, especially as to the primary rays, will not be capable of sustaining the impact of the love and light of intelligent infinity to the extent necessary for harvest.

    The goal of third density includes balancing: "This is the game: to know, to accept, to forgive, to balance, and to open the self in love."

    Most harvestable people on earth are working on balance: "Most of those harvestable at this space/time nexus have partial control over the outer illusion and are using the outer catalyst to work upon some bias which is not yet in balance."

    Crystal healing requires balance:

    Quote:57.6 Questioner: Would you tell me how to use that crystal for this purpose?

    Ra: I am Ra. This is a large question.

    You first, as a mind/body/spirit complex, balance and polarize the self, connecting the inner light with the upward spiraling in-pourings of the universal light. You have done exercises to regularize the processes involved. Look to them for the preparation of the crystallized being.

    Take then the crystal and feel your polarized and potentiated balanced energy channeled in green ray healing through your being, going into and activating the crystalline regularity of frozen light which is the crystal.

    The disciplined personality is balanced: "The disciplined personality, when faced with an other-self, has all centers balanced according to its unique balance. Thusly the other-self looks in a mirror seeing its self."

    I would like to discuss my views pertaining to Ra's quotes above. I hesitate because it doesn't seem like you've entered as a student. Not that I suppose myself your teacher, but I'm not going to go into detail presenting my view of these quotes unless you care to listen.
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    (10-18-2011, 07:12 AM)3DMonkey Wrote: Even when catalyst is no longer needed, I claim there is still emotion expressed within that experience of not needed that catalyst.

    I think that's right, and the emotion is love.

    Quote:The end result is that the catalyst is no longer needed. Thus this density is no longer needed. This is not indifference or objectivity but a finely tuned compassion and love which sees all things as love.

    When I read this quote, I can see an easy association to make between "this density is no longer needed" and the idea of "graduating Self into a new density". At first glance, the quote can be confusing and one might ask why Ra jumped a huge gap from explaining emotions involved in a single experience of catalyst all the way over to 'graduating a lifetime of experience.'
    I believe there are more direct associations to make within the context, and that this possibly presumed gap was not being jumped. I think, as readers and dreamers, we tend to jump this gap quite often when reading the material.
    The direct associations I am referring to are to look at "this density is no longer needed" as it relates to a single experience of catalyst. Meaning, as we live all densities at once and all experience passes through each of these densities, we can expect each catalyst to journey through applicable densities. "This density is no longer needed" is analogous to this catalyst has passed the choice density. Going further, the catalyst will reach the next density, placing it within the plane of "compassion and love". Harvesting the experience to a new density.

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    10-18-2011, 09:33 AM
    "I know, I have many different views on what the material is. One of these views is that emotions are never to be overcome, but fully experienced. Even when catalyst is no longer needed, I claim there is still emotion expressed within that experience of not needed that catalyst. "

    Emotions can be expressed as an unconscious reaction to catalyst (unknown self). They can also be a conscious affectation of understanding (known self) within the constraints of the density, that is. The purpose of 3rd density is to become aware of self to a certain extent - to form that rough sculpture of the personality out of the blueprint of the logos. In 3rd density, we are essentially forming, through removal of distortion with acceptance and balance, a unique expression of the logos. That logos is that 'love', it is 'this', which is indeed felt as a conscious affectation.

    Would not be too quick to assume where we as readers are jumping gaps without providing examples. We all have different notions.

    'Harvesting' is essentially a new body in a new location. 'Graduation' is a new core vibration - a 'density'.
    For 4th density, there is little catalyst, and that is only during the initial period of forming a smc. In 4D, the entity carries full consciousness of all prior lifetimes, and has a completely different type of awareness.

    Most catalyst has already been processed in 3D - hence moving up the subdensities of 3D as catalyst is processed and self is integrated. At a certain point, in 4D, self is conscious enough to become an individual - a requirement to participate in an smc.

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