In regards to eating meat

[Oceania]

i'd defo want to feed him proper food, meat or not. i don't think pet food is healthy enough and he won't eat organic kitty food, but i dunno if organic makes it good. but i don't know how to make meals for animals, if you give him a pouch it's supposed to have everything. there should be cookbooks for pets. i mean to feed pets.

[Monica]

i'd defo want to feed him proper food, meat or not. i don't think pet food is healthy enough and he won't eat organic kitty food, but i dunno if organic makes it good. but i don't know how to make meals for animals, if you give him a pouch it's supposed to have everything. there should be cookbooks for pets. i mean to feed pets.

That's a myth perpetuated by the pet foods industry. It's clearly not working, because look at how cats and dogs are getting cancer and other diseases just like humans!

There are cookbooks for pets, but the ones I've seen all rely on raw meat.

I'm going to check out that vegan pets website. I definitely wouldn't go vegan though on my dogs and cats. If I start feeding them vegetarian, I would still give them eggs and cheese, for sure.

[Oceania]

yeah it needs research. thanks for the link.

[3DMonkey]

Are we talking about almonds? It has led me to some interesting finds. In no particular order, investigate the following (apologies if you have already linked to this site, please let me know if you have):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxalate

n the body, oxalic acid combines with divalent metallic cations such as calcium (Ca2+) and iron(II) (Fe2+) to form crystals of the corresponding oxalates which are then excreted in urine as minute crystals. These oxalates can form larger kidney stones than can obstruct the kidney tubules. An estimated 80% of kidney stones are formed from calcium oxalate.[4] Those with kidney disorders, gout, rheumatoid arthritis, or certain forms of chronic vulvar pain (vulvodynia) are typically advised to avoid foods high in oxalic acid. Methods to reduce the oxalate content in food are of current interest.[5]

Almonds, cashew, peanut, pecan and walnut all contain high concentrations of oxalic acid ranging from 200-600mg/100g. http://www.coljoe.com/vegetable_oxalic_acid.htm

http://www.coljoe.com/diet_procedure.htm

http://www.coljoe.com/what_is_oxalic_acid.htm
6. Is there natural protection from the toxicity?
The sixth answer concerning natural protection will be described in discussion of my Diet Procedures. You will read descriptions of the expression “too much of a good thing”.

and finally, a quote:

Prescriptions for Nutritional Healing:

"Casual consumption of foods with oxalic acid should not pose a problem, however overindulgence inhibits absorption of calcium."

[Monica]

"Casual consumption of foods with oxalic acid should not pose a problem, however overindulgence inhibits absorption of calcium."

Leafy greens such as spinach also contain oxalates. It's not an issue as long as there is variation in the diet, ie. don't eat spinach every day, but alternate spinach with lettuce, chard, kale, etc. Same with nuts. Not a problem. The very foods high in oxalates are also high in calcium & magnesium.

Kinda like egg yolks containing cholesterol, but egg whites break down the cholesterol. (Incidentally, factory-farmed eggs have 5 times more cholesterol, which is one of the reasons why they're a problem and free range eggs aren't.)

Also, some nuts have tannins in their skins to inhibit the sprouting process. Soaking nuts neutralizes the tannins and makes them much more assimilable.

[3DMonkey]

"Casual consumption of foods with oxalic acid should not pose a problem, however overindulgence inhibits absorption of calcium."

Leafy greens such as spinach also contain oxalates. It's not an issue as long as there is variation in the diet, ie. don't eat spinach every day, but alternate spinach with lettuce, chard, kale, etc. Same with nuts. Not a problem. The very foods high in oxalates are also high in calcium & magnesium.

Kinda like egg yolks containing cholesterol, but egg whites break down the cholesterol. (Incidentally, factory-farmed eggs have 5 times more cholesterol, which is one of the reasons why they're a problem and free range eggs aren't.)

Also, some nuts have tannins in their skins to inhibit the sprouting process. Soaking nuts neutralizes the tannins and makes them much more assimilable.

Monica, I just read this http://www.coljoe.com/diet_procedure.htm as you were replying.

I find it very interesting. I would like to hear your opinion on it. Something to note, he says you should try to take calcium supplements separate from when you would ingest foods with oxalic acid.

[Monica]

Holy moly, that vegan kitty kibble is expensive! About quadruple the cost of meat-based. At least those online are. Probably Petsmart has some cheaper. I don't see anything in the ingredients to warrant such high expense. In fact it looks like we could probably make our own.

Just found this - has starter packages and recipes for diy:

http://www.vegancats.com/pages/1003/Cat_...Cooked.htm

Claims to be nutritionally complete including taurine. Of course that only works if the kitties actually like it enough to eat it!

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Monica, I just read this http://www.coljoe.com/diet_procedure.htm as you were replying.

I find it very interesting. I would like to hear your opinion on it. Something to note, he says you should try to take calcium supplements separate from when you would ingest foods with oxalic acid.

I don't know who that person is, but he lost me when he said to drink softened water or distilled water. Drinking distilled water for 15 years almost killed me. It's extremely dangerous.

There are some good pieces of info on that site, mixed in with some not-so-good. I found several items on that site I would consider inaccurate. I wouldn't consider that a good source of info. Plus, he's making it too complicated. A diet high in raw plant foods provides way more nutrients than a cooked-food meat-based diet, so supplements are less necessary. I prefer superfoods rather than supplements.

I don't think we need to overanalyze the naturally occurring in plant foods.

Just my opinion!

[BrownEye]

This thread was started by someone who felt for eating plants what vegetarians feel for eating animals. I, personally, share this emotion. Now, the vegetarian members have tried to discredit this emotion as an unnecessary one. My only desire is to show them that they act no different than the meat eaters that would discredit their emotions for animals. This way of not validating an other in their personal 3D endeavor is the real issue for the health of the body, in my opinion. I think it is a "blockage" on a societal level. The tell tale that it is a societal level blockage is that, in the mirror, the motivation is so that "the society must get on board with this in order to progress as a society the way i see it." The reciprocal, or activation, of this is " I need to see the society in a way that I can accept it in order to allow it to progress."

I will say that there is love in my house when we prepare plants. Love and thanks for the plants. Quite the difference from the person that only loves "taste" of burnt and seasoned flesh. There is almost a mental connection with the plants during the whole process. This also translates into LOVE as you eat it, rather than the imbued fear, suffering, and anger that is inherently in factory flesh. Add to that the anger of the employees induced into that same flesh and you can see yet another way to add sickness to everyone. This is part of the concept of blessing the food before eating it. As a way to restructure, repair, and imbue love into the food before eating it.

Who do you know that has intense feelings of joy "towards" their food, rather than only joy of taste?

You probably don't believe emotions can save into objects, but this happens to be in my area of experiments, and fully works. I know someone selling a tiny piece fo rubber that has an effect on chakras.

i've heard there are almonds that are poisonous.

Probably propaganda to scare people. Almonds aren't poisonous. Or you might be thinking of apricot pits, which are close cousins of almonds and considered a natural cancer therapy. The FDA loves telling people they're poisonous. Can't have people getting healed of cancer without their drugs now can we!



Apricot pits have cyanide I think, but are not poisonous. It is another case of guilt by word association. Yes they look like almonds, which have confused some.

@Monica, I would say that a good way to make animals sick is to give them cooked food. This also applies to modified water.

[Monica]

Apricot pits have cyanide I think, but are not poisonous. It is another case of guilt by word association. Yes they look like almonds, which have confused some.

They have a toxin that doesn't affect normal cells but is lethal to cancer cells. How convenient!

This also applies to modified water.

Are you referring to tap water, with all its chlorine, fluoride, etc? Or bottled water with its plastic residues?

[BrownEye]

Bottled spring water is easy to work with. If the body takes in high amounts of actual nutrients it will pass out the chemicals. This is the nice thing about the body. If it has no lack, it does not try to store "unknown" stuff in the body.

Holy moly, that vegan kitty kibble is expensive!

One thing I see everywhere is the false "cheap" prices. Foods that are cheaper have been modified and subsidized by govt. Something raw will be a real price. Adding heat and salt should not make it cheaper. Unless there is a reason behind this. The reason is there. Just ignored.

There is an amazing amount of subversive activity going on with modern tech that nobody is talking about. Those that know are keeping quiet.

[Monica]

Bottled spring water is easy to work with. If the body takes in high amounts of actual nutrients it will pass out the chemicals. This is the nice thing about the body. If it has no lack, it does not try to store "unknown" stuff in the body.

I agree that, the healthier one is, the better able one is to shrug off toxins. At the same time, knowing what I know about water, drinking bottled water makes about as much sense to me as eating chemical-laden, canned, dead food. I see no reason to drink dead, acidic, oxidizing water. Our bodies are 70% water. If we're going to be careful what we eat, it makes sense to be at least as careful, if not more careful, about what we drink. But that's a whole 'nother topic.

[BrownEye]

Processed water is what I meant to say. When it has gone through a processing plant it is different. You can read about folks drinking enough water to cause organ failure, while at the same time their cells are considered dehydrated. Structured water gets into your cells. I have something that structures water. Once I get moved I will have access to actual springs. Right now I go with the lessor evil.

[Monica]

Processed water is what I meant to say. When it has gone through a processing plant it is different. You can read about folks drinking enough water to cause organ failure, while at the same time their cells are considered dehydrated.

Yes, very true.

Structured water gets into your cells. I have something that structures water.

I figured you did! Yes, structured water penetrates the cells due to reduced surface tension. That's what our machine does, among other things.

Once I get moved I will have access to actual springs. Right now I go with the lessor evil.

Modern technology is great for people who don't have springs or a freshly melted glacier in their back yard! Once the water runs downstream and is bottled, its loses its lifeforce.

[Tenet Nosce]

Just got a juicer! YUM!

[zenmaster]

(Incidentally, factory-farmed eggs have 5 times more cholesterol, which is one of the reasons why they're a problem and free range eggs aren't.)

Free-range eggs have less cholesterol, but not 5 times less. It's 30% less. A large cage-laid egg has 213mg of cholesterol. So the free-range variety has 149 mg instead of 213mg. 5 times less would be 42mg. Between that and your soda dehydration 'fact', you may want to re-check your dietary-fact sources.

[Monica]

Free-range eggs have less cholesterol, but not 5 times less. It's 30% less. A large cage-laid egg has 213mg of cholesterol. So the free-range variety has 149 mg instead of 213mg. 5 times less would be 42mg.[/quote]

I read that someplace, but apparently it was wrong. OK I stand corrected on that.

Between that and your soda dehydration 'fact', you may want to re-check your dietary-fact sources.

I am correct on the soda issue. Water/hydration is my business.

[zenmaster]

I am correct on the soda issue.

I don't believe you. The fluids in the soda more than make up for any loss due to its diuretic component - ergo no net water loss possible from drinking. And you'd be a moron not to drink a Coke, if that was the only beverage available and you were dehydrated.

[Monica]

I don't believe you. The fluids in the soda more than make up for any loss due to its diuretic component - ergo no net water loss possible from drinking.

You certainly have the right to believe as you wish!

I've attended multiple seminars with health practitioners who back up my statement. However I won't attempt to get into the technical reasons why, other than to say that it has to do with how the kidneys process the 'fluid'.

And you'd be a moron not to drink a Coke, if that was the only beverage available and you were dehydrated.

Knowing what I know, there is no way I would ever drink a Coke, just as I would know better than to drink ocean water. I would suck the juice from grass or weeds, rather than drink a Coke. I wouldn't do it.

If that makes me a moron in your eyes, then so be it!

[BrownEye]

Just got a juicer! YUM!

Let us know how you feel after a shot of wheatgrass or something along those lines. It was like a super clean energy jolt, kind of like being awake, the first time I tried it.

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I have a fun little story applicable to this thread.

My coworkers husband died from liver failure. He was told specifically to stop eating meat. He refused to stay away from meat. Told me he would rather die than give up ribs. He would bloat up and get put in the hospital, keeping him away from meat. Once he got out he would go back to meat until his liver failed again. The last time I saw him the skin on his legs was all scab. Pretty wild looking. Anyways, this is the one guy that I say died from meat. Considering even the hillbilly doctors out here admit to this.

Now, where do I find sick people that are told to stop eating bananas? Or kale, or broccoli, or any other fruits or veggies??

[Tenet Nosce]

Let us know how you feel after a shot of wheatgrass or something along those lines. It was like a super clean energy jolt, kind of like being awake, the first time I tried it.

Well I felt pretty good. But I'm not sure if it was the juice alone. Full moon and all. Solar wind, maybe? Other crazy coincidental things going on. I don't think the juice can account for all of it.

Say, have you seen Fat, Sick, and Nearly Dead? I just watched it on Netflix!

I found a good balanced review of the movie by a colleague of mine.

This film is amazingly inspirational, and I highly recommend people watch it. Not just because it demonstrates how diet and exercise can cure disease, but because it addresses, what I have come to believe, are gaping holes in our current healthcare system. Mainly, the lack of emphasis we have placed on diet and lifestyle changes to cure disease in this country, and have opted instead for the "quick fix," medications can offer instead.

This is not a perfect film. I am not a huge proponent of a juice only fast. One of the main reasons I don't like this type of fast is because it eliminates fiber from the diet. Fiber is vital to our health for a number of reasons. for starters, fiber bulks up our stool helping us to have healthier and more frequent bowel movements (preventing constipation, diverticulitis and polyps). Fiber is also important in possibly reducing our risk of colon cancer and type II diabetes. Fiber also helps keep our blood sugar stable. It does this by slowing down how quickly sugar can enter the blood stream; preventing the elevated levels you can sometimes get from consuming high sugar content drinks like soda pop and white bread.

[Tenet Nosce]

Fascinating quotes here:

Questioner: The mechanism of, shall we say, social catalyst due to a necessity for feeding the body then is active in fourth-density. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is incorrect. The fourth-density being desires to serve and the preparation of foodstuffs is extremely simple due to increased communion between entity and living foodstuff. Therefore, this is not a significant catalyst but rather a simple precondition of the space/time experience. The catalyst involved is the necessity for the ingestion of foodstuffs. This is not considered to be of importance by fourth-density entities and it, therefore, aids in the teach/learning of patience.

Questioner: In third density the fueling of our bodily complex is not only simply fueling of the bodily complex but gives us opportunities to learn service. In fourth density it not only fuels the complex but gives us opportunities to learn patience. In fifth density it fuels the complex but does it teach?

Ra: I am Ra. In fifth density it is comfort for those of like mind gathered together to share in this broth, thus becoming one in light and wisdom while joining hearts and hands in physical activity. Thus in this density it becomes a solace rather than a catalyst for learning.

Questioner: I am simply trying to trace the evolution of this catalyst that then, as you say, changes in fifth density. I might as well complete this and ask if there is any ingestion of food in sixth density?

Ra: I am Ra. This is correct. However, the nature of this food is that of light and is impossible to describe to you in any meaningful way as regards the thrust of your query.

Questioner: In the last session you said, “that when the self is conscious to a great enough extent of the workings of the catalyst of fasting, and the techniques of programming, it then may through concentration of the will and the faculty of faith alone cause reprogramming without the analogy of fasting, diet, or other analogous bodily complex disciplines.” What are the techniques of programming which the Higher Self uses to insure that the desired lessons are learned or attempted by the third-density self?

Ra: I am Ra. There is but one technique for this growing or nurturing of will and faith, and that is the focusing of the attention. The attention span of those you call children is considered short. The spiritual attention span of most of your peoples is that of the child. Thus it is a matter of wishing to become able to collect one’s attention and hold it upon the desired programming.

This, when continued, strengthens the will. The entire activity can only occur when there exists faith that an outcome of this discipline is possible.

Questioner: Is it possible by the use of some technique or other to help an entity to reach fourth-density level in these last days?

Ra: I am Ra. It is impossible to help another being directly. It is only possible to make catalyst available in whatever form, the most important being the radiation of realization of oneness with the Creator from the self, less important being information such as we share with you.

We, ourselves, do not feel an urgency for this information to be widely disseminated. It is enough that we have made it available to three, four, or five. This is extremely ample reward, for if one of these obtains fourth-density understanding due to this catalyst then we shall have fulfilled the Law of One in the distortion of service.

We encourage a dispassionate attempt to share information without concern for numbers or quick growth among others. That you attempt to make this information available is, in your terms, your service. The attempt, if it reaches one, reaches all.

We cannot offer shortcuts to enlightenment. Enlightenment is, of the moment, an opening to intelligent infinity. It can only be accomplished by the self, for the self. Another self cannot teach/learn enlightenment, but only teach/learn information, inspiration, or a sharing of love, of mystery, of the unknown that makes the other-self reach out and begin the seeking process that ends in a moment, but who can know when an entity will open the gate to the present?

I wonder how a zealot / fanatic / guru would reconcile their proselytizing with this suggestion by Ra? :idea:

We encourage a dispassionate attempt to share information without concern for numbers or quick growth among others.

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Q'uo on living on light alone. This transmission is also featured in 2011.04.02 - Siddhartha Buddha

[This is the last transmission before Carla's surgery, I might add.]

G: Q’uo, M from Germany writes, “There have been reports in the media about an Indian Yogi named Prahlad Jani who claims that he didn’t take in any food or water for the last 70 years. Doctors who have made some medical examinations found that his body didn’t even keep the 100 milliliters of water [given by researchers] daily. Prahlad says he has taken all the energy he needs through meditation.

“Also, I read some independent studies that concluded that we would never be able to take in all the energy that we require and expend through food and water alone. So am I right in thinking that all biological life on Earth acts as free energy devices do and that they transducer interdimensional energy? Also, what is the relationship between foodstuffs as a source of energy and subtle energy?”

Quo: We are those of Q’uo, and appreciate your query. We would say to the one known as M that entities such as the one known as Prahlad are legitimately free from the necessity of the intake of foodstuffs. This is because this entity and others like this entity have either developed within themselves through spiritual practice or by nature have been given an awareness of the subtle energies of prana and light.

We cannot say that to all humans the capacity for using the body as a free energy device exists, for it is indeed a rare entity within third density that is able to lift away from physical foodstuffs for the physical body. We find in this instrument’s mind the caution seen often on your television, “Do not try this at home.” Usually, these cautionary statements are made when the viewing audience is watching someone do a stunt or a difficult physical feat such as jumping a canyon or other risky and highly skilled maneuvers.

We would say that except for those who are seeking this freedom from foodstuffs, there is a faint possibility that you might achieve freedom from food and water and be able to live on light, the energy of prana, yet unless such a spiritual practice were fulfilling to the one seeking in this way and opened to that entity the gateway to illumination, we would suggest focusing upon the opening of the energy body rather than the retiring of the physical body.

It cannot be denied, however, that sleeping within each human of third-density Earth is the capacity to store and to use the energy of light itself in the breath, from the sun, by awareness of the life in all things so that there is freedom from the necessity to use the body as a distillery.

[Monica]

This is not a perfect film. I am not a huge proponent of a juice only fast. One of the main reasons I don't like this type of fast is because it eliminates fiber from the diet. Fiber is vital to our health for a number of reasons. for starters, fiber bulks up our stool helping us to have healthier and more frequent bowel movements (preventing constipation, diverticulitis and polyps). Fiber is also important in possibly reducing our risk of colon cancer and type II diabetes. Fiber also helps keep our blood sugar stable. It does this by slowing down how quickly sugar can enter the blood stream; preventing the elevated levels you can sometimes get from consuming high sugar content drinks like soda pop and white bread.

Most practitioners I know of, who recommended juice fasts, also included fiber powder (such as psyllium) in the protocol. I've done dozens of juice fasts and always included fiber to keep the action going.

[Tenet Nosce]

Most practitioners I know of, who recommended juice fasts, also included fiber powder (such as psyllium) in the protocol. I've done dozens of juice fasts and always included fiber to keep the action going.

Kudos to them! You know, we used to think about fiber in terms of simply adding bulk, but we now also know that fiber is food for all those trillions of microorganisms that live in our digestive tract. We definitely want to keep those guys alive! Did you know that 90% of the cells found in association with the human body are not human cells?! This is an incredible exciting field of research that is only just now beginning to manifest itself. Already we have found that people can be classified into three distinct gut enterotypes (kind of sounds like a throwback to Ayurveda) that affect the way they metabolize food and drugs, and can even go so far as to affect one's brain chemistry? Wild!

Except sometimes, dysbiosis takes over in the gut and then we might have to try to starve certain ones out. I think if somebody with a severe dysbiosis tried a juice fast, they might unintentionally cause some harm, since they are putting sugar into the gut without any fiber.

[Monica]

We, ourselves, do not feel an urgency for this information to be widely disseminated. It is enough that we have made it available to three, four, or five. This is extremely ample reward, for if one of these obtains fourth-density understanding due to this catalyst then we shall have fulfilled the Law of One in the distortion of service.

We encourage a dispassionate attempt to share information without concern for numbers or quick growth among others. That you attempt to make this information available is, in your terms, your service. The attempt, if it reaches one, reaches all.

Context must be taken into consideration here. In this quote, Ra is referring to this specific info - the Law of One info.

Ra also acknowledged elsewhere that one of the reasons Wanderers incarnated, was to do what they could to increase the Harvest.

Ra's perspective is different from ours. It is inconsequential to Ra whether individual 3D entities are harvested or not, because they are seeing the big picture. To us, we are in the midst of it, so it may indeed be important to us to do what we can for our loved ones or those with whom we feel karmic connections. In fact, the very reason we may feel such a compulsion to speak out, may be because that was our intended mission and we are just being true to our 'calling'.

Q'uo has repeatedly stated that if someone feels compelled to be involved in this or that action, they are advised to follow their guidance. It cannot be said that it's 'wrong' or ill-advised to be passionate or pro-active, though proselytizing is certainly uncool, because that imposes on the free will of others. That's why no one likes it when the religious fundamentalists don't quit after we ask them to quit!

I think it's important to distinguish between being passionately in an important cause, vs. proselytizing to the point of imposing on those who don't want to hear it.

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Did you know that 90% of the cells found in association with the human body are not human cells?! This is an incredible exciting field of research that is only just now beginning to manifest itself.

Yeah, it really is amazing! I remember the first time I learned about that was at a Cell Tech (algae company's old name) convention. The speaker was Viktoras Kulvinskas, one of the original raw foods pioneers. I remember him saying "We have more bacteria in our bodies than human cells...We are living ecosystems." That really did a number on my head at the time, some 20 years ago. It was right when I was really into juice fasting, and after hearing that, I got more into probiotics and began to think differently.

Are you familiar with water kefir, by the way?

[BrownEye]

The fourth-density being desires to serve and the preparation of foodstuffs is extremely simple due to increased communion between entity and living foodstuff.

You suppose this living foodstuff has eyes? Ha ha.

[Oceania]

prolly not.

[BrownEye]

prolly not.

That's what im thinking. The increased communion is already apparent with spiritual type vegans.

[Tenet Nosce]

I don't hear insects enter the argument much. What is the consensus about eating insects? Is this slaughter?

I ate some termites earlier this year, and I must say, they were quite delicious! I suppose that means I am not a follower of the doctrine of ahimsa.

Questioner: Then why do we have the extreme starvation problem in, generally, the area of Africa at this time? Is there any metaphysical reason for this, or is it purely random?

Ra: I am Ra. Your previous assumption was correct as to the catalytic action of this starvation and ill health. However, it is within the free will of an entity to respond to this plight of otherselves, and the offering of the needed foodstuffs and substances is an appropriate response within the framework of your learn/teachings at this time which involve the growing sense of love for and service to other-selves.

Considering the extreme starvation that persists today, I think ruling out insects as food would be completely absurd. Pondering this very question actually brought me to this forum.

I mean, if 4D really exists, there is no starvation, right? And if 4D is coming to a planet near you in December 2012... well... how are we going to get from here to there?

One fine moment of inspiration?

[BrownEye]

43.16 Questioner: The physical vehicle that is used in fourth-density space/time is, I am assuming, quite similar to the one that is now used in third density. Is this correct?
Ra: I am Ra. The chemical elements used are not the same. However, the appearance is similar.

I would assume that those gravitating towards this different chemical makeup may in fact be going through a natural transition, changing their body at this very moment.

Now, how would they do this?

[Tenet Nosce]

Y'all jumped right past the first half of the post in which I was talking about philosophical arguments for vegetarianism based on an extreme ideal of harmlessness that is impossible to embody in the 3D world.

Sorry. I should have stated that I do agree with you on that. It truly is impossible.

Well that's all I really wanted to get at. I guess it may have appeared that I came in shouting ahimsa out of nowhere.

I will explain where I was coming from. I have been looking into the philosophical doctrines of the six great philosophers of antiquity: Mahavira, Siddharta Gautama, Pythagoras, Zoroaster, Laozi, and Confucius.

When I realized that all of these guys had lived within a few generations from one another, I thought to myself that surely can't be coincidence! So I began to get curious and hypothesize that these six entities were all working together... or perhaps against one another. I am making an attempt at understanding this from a group mind perspective, and viewing it from not only a 4D, but 5D and 6D perspective as well.

See, the thing is that they all forward philosophical doctrines that are on one level nearly identical, but on another level seemingly antithetical. Quite the paradox!

[By the way does anybody recall the word for when something has meaning on more than one level? I've been trying to remember that one all day.]

Vegetarianism happens to be one of the areas where there are striking differences in the teachings. As many of my patients are vegetarians, or thinking of becoming vegetarians, I felt it was important for me to understand what, if any, philosophical underpinnings there may be to the idea. So that is why this thread caught my eye in the first place.

Well, at any rate I can tell you with 100% certainty that the vegetarian debate goes back at least 2500 years. And the thread here has 18,300 hits and counting. Kind of curious that we just can't seem to all find a common ground on this particular subject. I wonder why that is?