Now THIS is REALLY INTERESTING!!

[native]

Everything she said is in line with the Law of One. Her beginnings as entering as a spirit complex were sketchy about having never incarnated before, but it may just be her limited interpretation of what she remembers or understands.

She seems to be speaking from personal experience and memory, as opposed to 'playing the part'.

[Raman]

Everything she said is in line with the Law of One. Her beginnings as entering as a spirit complex were sketchy about having never incarnated before, but it may just be her limited interpretation of what she remembers or understands.

She seems to be speaking from personal experience and memory, as opposed to 'playing the part'.

Never incarnated?
Is not that incompatible with the veil, remembering all this?

Moreover, never incarnated before would mean that she is a "young soul", no seniority, most probably not ready for incarnation so close to end of the cycle...could be just for experience, but I find this strange.

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Also what she charges....$$$

[native]

Who knows..it's all debatable. She says she has no past lives, that's why she doesn't remember any. There are probably aspects of the Creator that never incarnate and perform other functions. I see no reason to place limits on why and how things happen, and to try and answer everything through our limited framework of spirit evolution.

[3DMonkey]

Just wait till she learns Powerpoint. Then we will all be in for an ascension treat.

[native]

I'm pretty skeptical of most, but I personally felt she was genuine.

[kia]

I'm not sure that's gonna happen on this forum, mainly because no one has posted remotely similar stories.

Ah that's just sad; but I understand.

It is, unfortunately.

Not feeling able to share one's experiences in a forum based upon material promoting equality and acceptance, speaks volumes. The vbaba incident has only added to this 'elephant in the room', in my opinion.

I think so too Namaste

or, it just means that people who are refraining from sharing their own subjective experiences, are not firm in those yet, and not ready to stand behind them or accept questions/inquiries about them.

there are a lot of people who are ready, judging from the list of threads in wanderer stories forum.

new and recent ones maybe. I´m firm about what my subjective experience means to me, maybe not to others...
But it´s true that some do not accept questions/inquires about them maybe because the way some of the questions can be approached. Not everyone makes perfect/valid questions and not all the answers are perfect/valid for everyone.

Can someone tell me where is the story she posted first in the wander stories forum? I see its been moved into another thread but I don´t see it. Did she remove it? I´ve read stories there from others that have left.

Everything she said is in line with the Law of One. Her beginnings as entering as a spirit complex were sketchy about having never incarnated before, but it may just be her limited interpretation of what she remembers or understands.

She seems to be speaking from personal experience and memory, as opposed to 'playing the part'.

Never incarnated?
Is not that incompatible with the veil, remembering all this?

Moreover, never incarnated before would mean that she is a "young soul", no seniority, most probably not ready for incarnation so close to end of the cycle...could be just for experience, but I find this strange.

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Also what she charges....$$$

I agree with you Raman. When I first saw it a found some truth in her words…but after that http://ascension101.com/ I was a bit disappointed

[native]

I think others simply just don't want a public record of their experiences for any and all to see, myself included. There's nothing wrong with privacy. I've shared certain details of my life, but have left other experiences out.

[3DMonkey]

Hahahaha. Yes. Thank you for that, Icaro.

[native]

you're welcome

[Namaste]

or, it just means that people who are refraining from sharing their own subjective experiences, are not firm in those yet, and not ready to stand behind them or accept questions/inquiries about them.

there are a lot of people who are ready, judging from the list of threads in wanderer stories forum.

Agreed, there is be a mix of both.

[Bring4th_Austin]

Just wait till she learns Powerpoint. Then we will all be in for an ascension treat.

Ah yes, $400 to download this power point presentation outlining the 15 easy steps to ascension! Don't miss out!

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or, it just means that people who are refraining from sharing their own subjective experiences, are not firm in those yet, and not ready to stand behind them or accept questions/inquiries about them.

there are a lot of people who are ready, judging from the list of threads in wanderer stories forum.

Agreed, there is be a mix of both.

I'm going to pull some quotes from Unity and Monica from a very old thread to help convey my feelings on this matter.

firstly, if the entity is so weak in that resonation so that it is so easily shaken by someone disagreeing, maybe it means that that resonation is not a resonation at all in the first place.

or, secondly, if the entity is weak in resolve and understanding of its own spirit so that someone doubting something s/he truly resonates, can shatter the resonation, what that entity is doing seeking advanced spiritual information in the first place ? it is a path that is filled with pitfalls.

(in response to unity's above post)
Right. Those who rely on the opinions of others will more likely gravitate to religions, rather than here. Those who are ready to trust what resonates, will understand that others will do the same, and what resonates for one might not resonate for another.

If one chooses not to share personal experiences out of fear of simple questioning of those experiences (not saying that would be the only reason), I think that is good catalyst encouraging one to examine those beliefs or experiences for which they have weak resolve.

[3DMonkey]

This lady has "tricks" she won't use. That's ashame. I wanna see tricks. If I had them, I'd show them. Is that why I don't have them? But if I don't show them, would I really have them?

[Oceania]

that guy showed tricks and then his dead master beat him up and yelled at him a lot.

[Bring4th_Austin]

that guy showed tricks and then his dead master beat him up and yelled at him a lot.

As vague as this statement is I know exactly who you're talking about


Most people who find the power within them to do these kinds of things gain the wisdom along the way to not show them off as parlor tricks. Do you think this woman has gained that sort of humility?

[3DMonkey]

Show me tricks!!!

[Oceania]

i think everyone knows that guy.

[3DMonkey]

Clueless. Is it Dobby who had to iron his hands?

[Oceania]

no it's that guy off youtube who agreed to show some dudes his tricks and this was not what he was supposed to do. it's hilarious. i don't remember what the name was.

[Monica]

Can someone tell me where is the story she posted first in the wander stories forum? I see its been moved into another thread but I don´t see it. Did she remove it?

Whenever you see a 'Moved' notice, you can still click on it and it will take you to the new thread.

In this case, it was moved from Wanderer Stories because it no longer contained a Wanderer story!

It's now in Life:

http://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=2791

[LsavedSmeD]

I would like to point out that their are many who are quick to question the validity of the messenger before even listening to the message with their inner most discernment.


The messenger is not important it is the message given, to truly tell if the messenger is genuine then listen to the message and your own heart/intuition will express such as so.


It is much like religious dogmas, e.g. the Quran and the Bible which are "words from god" and yet the message is not truly taken in without the belief of such being from an omnipotent or higher understanding thus causing biases and personal discernment.

If words were simply laid out in front of you without knowing who had given them to you then their would not be a road block that stops you from taking in the words in a pure and unbiased manner.

A genuine example is the Ra material, any average person will shun such words down because of the questionable messenger and even the way the words were received - but once you keep your heart and mind open and actually use your own intuition to read through you see the gems in the music.

That is all, and remember in the end we are merely in our own distortions and illusion there is no correct or incorrect all morality is based entirely on each entities unique perspective.


Namaste.

[unity100]

I would like to point out that their are many who are quick to question the validity of the messenger before even listening to the message with their inner most discernment.


The messenger is not important it is the message given, to truly tell if the messenger is genuine then listen to the message and your own heart/intuition will express such as so.


It is much like religious dogmas, e.g. the Quran and the Bible which are "words from god" and yet the message is not truly taken in without the belief of such being from an omnipotent or higher understanding thus causing biases and personal discernment.

If words were simply laid out in front of you without knowing who had given them to you then their would not be a road block that stops you from taking in the words in a pure and unbiased manner.

innermost discernment is perilous in our times. innermost discernment is something that can work well if you are strongly in tune with your own spirit, and your consciousness is clear enough.

it is a time of confusion and troubles, and energy fluctuations. a lot of people, even the strongest ones, are in need of this or that kind of energy. even the ones who are well set, may fall in need of certain types of energies/vibrations at times.

and, if, the person chances up to read/see/meet something/someone providing that needed energy or vibration, and accepts it to discern with inner discernment, the need for that energy may press heavier even before it gets to inner discernment level.

then the entity may think s/he is 'resonating' with what's at hand, and this can cause further acceptance of what's at hand in lieu of the voice of inner discernment, which is drowned out by the pressing need of that energy.

lets face it - if inner discernment was something that easily worked for the masses, we would have no troubles on this planet because everyone would use their inner discernment well to discern what was in tune with their spirit.

however, it is not so.

that is why genuineness and assurance of authenticity is important.

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btw the above pitfall is what causes a lot of people who are in actual seeking, to fall in the clutches of religions/cults i believe.

[111]

I would like to point out that their are many who are quick to question the validity of the messenger before even listening to the message with their inner most discernment.


The messenger is not important it is the message given, to truly tell if the messenger is genuine then listen to the message and your own heart/intuition will express such as so.


It is much like religious dogmas, e.g. the Quran and the Bible which are "words from god" and yet the message is not truly taken in without the belief of such being from an omnipotent or higher understanding thus causing biases and personal discernment.

If words were simply laid out in front of you without knowing who had given them to you then their would not be a road block that stops you from taking in the words in a pure and unbiased manner.

innermost discernment is perilous in our times. innermost discernment is something that can work well if you are strongly in tune with your own spirit, and your consciousness is clear enough.

it is a time of confusion and troubles, and energy fluctuations. a lot of people, even the strongest ones, are in need of this or that kind of energy. even the ones who are well set, may fall in need of certain types of energies/vibrations at times.

and, if, the person chances up to read/see/meet something/someone providing that needed energy or vibration, and accepts it to discern with inner discernment, the need for that energy may press heavier even before it gets to inner discernment level.

then the entity may think s/he is 'resonating' with what's at hand, and this can cause further acceptance of what's at hand in lieu of the voice of inner discernment, which is drowned out by the pressing need of that energy.

lets face it - if inner discernment was something that easily worked for the masses, we would have no troubles on this planet because everyone would use their inner discernment well to discern what was in tune with their spirit.

however, it is not so.

that is why genuineness and assurance of authenticity is important.

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By the way the above pitfall is what causes a lot of people who are in actual seeking, to fall in the clutches of religions/cults i believe.

What is your "Assurance of authenticity" in the LOO? How can you "Prove" anything? I guess what I'm asking is, isn't your only Assurance of authenticity and genuiness in the Law of One Your own inner discernment? You ask for authenticity in refrence to the LOO, which has no "authenticity" except for the way it resonates with may.

[LsavedSmeD]

What is your "Assurance of authenticity" in the LOO? How can you "Prove" anything? I guess what I'm asking is, isn't your only Assurance of authenticity and genuiness in the Law of One Your own inner discernment? You ask for authenticity in refrence to the LOO, which has no "authenticity" except for the way it resonates with may.

I have not asked for anything. I used LOO as a reference or an 'example-given' to illustrate or express the ideal behind the vast majority of people looking for credibility of the messenger before even venturing into taking message and analyzing it with their own discernment. I guess what I meant to say is that the Ra material is very "out there" and sci-fi a perfect example of the messenger before the message.


The truth is hidden in the open, it wants to be known that is it's only purpose. There are gems everywhere and each gem may differ for each individual. Anyone can fake their authenticity of who they are but their message is easily discernible if you are tuned in enough to your own guidance and even then the message can be quite clear - regardless of who the messenger claims they are.

[111]

What is your "Assurance of authenticity" in the LOO? How can you "Prove" anything? I guess what I'm asking is, isn't your only Assurance of authenticity and genuiness in the Law of One Your own inner discernment? You ask for authenticity in refrence to the LOO, which has no "authenticity" except for the way it resonates with may.

I have not asked for anything. I used LOO as a reference or an 'example-given' to illustrate or express the ideal behind the vast majority of people looking for credibility of the messenger before even venturing into taking message and analyzing it with their own discernment. I guess what I meant to say is that the Ra material is very "out there" and sci-fi a perfect example of the messenger before the message.


The truth is hidden in the open, it wants to be known that is it's only purpose. There are gems everywhere and each gem may differ for each individual. Anyone can fake their authenticity of who they are but their message is easily discernible if you are tuned in enough to your own guidance and even then the message can be quite clear - regardless of who the messenger claims they are.

I couldn't agree with you more LSD

[unity100]

What is your "Assurance of authenticity" in the LOO? How can you "Prove" anything? I guess what I'm asking is, isn't your only Assurance of authenticity and genuiness in the Law of One Your own inner discernment? You ask for authenticity in refrence to the LOO, which has no "authenticity" except for the way it resonates with may.

but we have discussed/mentioned this numerous times in 2-3 threads that passed this tangent in the last week. you were also in those threads. why are you asking this question again ?

[Richard]

I like Inelia...and her message. But its not that diffferent than numerous other sources. As far as making money off of her message? Everyone has to make a living. She provides a lot of free content and charges for other stuff.

David Wilcock is the most blatantly commercial source out there. Yet people still swear by his views and channelling.

None of us would even be here if the LOO didn't pluck a string or 2 in our psyches. I bought a copy of Carla's book because of that. The Homecoming is not free. It costs money to distribute this information...sorry, thats the way 3rd works.

I really don't begrudge anyone trying to make a little money while spreading their version of the way things work. It really comes down us, as consumers, to make the final judgment as to the authenticity or usefulness of any source.

Richard

[3DMonkey]

I agree with Richard.

As for me, I ain't shelling out any cash for ascension seminars. It's funny to me. I simply don't see making a difference as creating a show.

[Oceania]

DW is commercial but he also gives a lot of stuff for free and says this is the way of the future. i've never given him a dime except for the book i ordered. all of the other stuff from him i got for free. of course seminars cost money, they take up time and effort and money from the organizers, and it's always a risk to spend money to get money. as with all businesses you have to invest money. i hate money, i don't understand money but i get that we all want money cuz the world works that way. we're slowly going towards a moneyless place. but that takes time. i am noticing a trend in half of the stuff being free and the other half not. so that if you really don't have money you don't go empty-handed either. that's a compromise.

tho world puja which was a radio station i used to listen to went all moneymoney so i was like wtf? the live shows are free but the archives are totally closed. it used to be free to listen to for a year.

[native]

Everyone has to make a living. She provides a lot of free content and charges for other stuff.

And if you read the addendum to her course, it says that if you can't afford it to email her and describe your circumstance. So it sounds like they'll either give it to you for free or reduce the price.

There's a difference between someone selling a package of information that is the culmination of their life understanding, and someone like the absurd Ashayana Deane, who claims to have information we absolutely need for ascension but charges for it.

What a 'spiritual teacher' is saying when they charge for something they put together is "I spent years and years of my life accumulating a bookshelf worth of books, going on retreats, going to seminars, traveling to other countries, paying for adept training, etc. etc. You don't have to spend the $15,000 I've spent on all of that. I've accumulated everything I know into this package. Buy it if you want, and here's a bunch of other stuff for free." I see nothing wrong with that.

People often forget that before the internet especially, anything you wanted to know had to be paid for because you had to buy a book or go to a seminar. Those of today that have esoteric knowledge paid a higher due than we ever will, and by culminating their life's work into something they can survive off of, they're actually doing the rest of us a favor in return.

[Oceania]

yeah they have worked hard on their own for it. and all of us could do the same.