Plants

[Sirius]

What does everybody know about plants?

I know they are 2D, but not much else.

I found out yesterday that they aremost susseptable to red and blue light, as our opposed human suseptability to green.

It might not mean anything to you, hopefully it does though lol. But it got me thinking that there is a huge ammount we can learn about and maybe from, about the spiritual existence of plantlife. I can't word it better, as per usual.

Ultimately I want to be able to help my plants grow, not through miricle grow, but through positive thinking, and some very well thought out meditations.

I have never really been into plants but my partner has bout me one. and it has really got me buzzing, as if we have a new pet or something like that lol. More living bodies in the house so to speak.

I don't need watering advice, apparantly this thing can live through hell

Any of you ever encountered this subject before? Study of plant spirit bodies? (another weird way to word it haha)

Love and Light,
a rookie wordsmith. (Thinking always has been easier than putting it into words)

[pluralone]

And so we meet again, Sirius!

I'd originally attempted to respond to this post some time last week when I first saw it, but somehow the topic had been closed. I emailed the site and asked why - the response was that the closure had been inadvertent; so they opened it up again! Yaay!

As an herbalist, this topic intrigues me - although I don't really have much to contribute to the discussion.

A question: Why are plants considered "2D"?

As for growing plants, I am quite embarrassed to say I've neglected most of my house plants to the point where many of them passed on. It says a lot about me (the human me) that as good as I am at what I do, I fail miserably at taking care of beings who do not have some ability to care for themselves. I guess I'm just not a "total care" sort of person.

*shrug* I yam what I yam. (pun very much intended)

Anyway... back when I was actively and successfully caring for my house plants, I found they did a lot better if I spent time, at least whenever I gave them water (and sometimes just for the heck of it) focusing healing/health energy into them. Even for those who have no healing training this is not a difficult thing to do -- it's all about intent. I don't use my own personal energy for any kind of healing work; I draw the energy from outside my self into my hands - which is simply an act of will/intent - and use my hands to focus the energy where I intuitively feel it's needed. My hands usually warm up quite a bit while I'm doing this, and often I'll feel a vibration in my palms and fingertips.

A few small quartz crystals laid on the top of the soil plus citrine points in the water filter pitcher I used to filter the tap water before watering them (the citrine would sit in the water, at a minimum, over night) seemed to be really good for their health as well. It certainly is good for mine. I've come to discern between water that has thus been energized and water that has not; I'm sure the plants could tell the difference too.

Of course that last bit came sneakily close to being "watering advice"....

Please keep us posted as you explore this subject!
plur

[irpsit]

Hey Sirius!
I also love a lot plants!
We have grown a garden here where we live, with plenty of herbs, flowers and vegetables, and some old trees which were already here.
I can feel their spirit energy, sometimes, mainly in trees, their individual energy.
This is just what I sense, I haven't tried to go deeper than this, but there are a few books on gardening with devas (nature spirits).
I am very moved to care for them (the plants), every day, just a thing that I love.
I think they like it, that I am around them.

[fairyfarmgirl]

Trees are shifting to 3D and some are already 4D. This seems to be in relation to my discourse with the trees.

fairyfarmgirl

[Ole]

Plant sentience, as Seen Through Shamanic Amazonian Worldview

[Sirius]

And so we meet again, Sirius!

I think I might have to get used to these spontaneous meetings.
I never welcomed you to the forum properly, so from me. I'm glad you have posted here VERY glad.

I'd originally attempted to respond to this post some time last week when I first saw it, but somehow the topic had been closed. I emailed the site and asked why - the response was that the closure had been inadvertent; so they opened it up again! Yaay!

I did see the thread was closed, I wasn't really sure why either. I figured it was just too poorly written for Bring4th or something of that nature, thanks for your interest, and the e-mail about the thread!!

A question: Why are plants considered "2D"?

Through The Ra Material, Humans are considered 3D (mind/spirit/body complexes as Ra calls us) a Plant, or animal is termed 2D through TLOO as it is essentially lacking awareness of itself. It is a mind/body complex no soul.

It may be how you describe it as completely dependant entity, whereas humans learn & adapt, plants adapt, but do they learn?

Having said that, it opposes the idea of Nature Spirits directly. Unless these nature Spirits can be explained as operating within the 2D realm. This is something I havn't realised until just now, so I'll spend more time pondering this one. ALthough I may have answered it whith Nature Spirits that do what they do without learning?

As for growing plants, I am quite embarrassed to say I've neglected most of my house plants to the point where many of them passed on. It says a lot about me (the human me) that as good as I am at what I do, I fail miserably at taking care of beings who do not have some ability to care for themselves. I guess I'm just not a "total care" sort of person.

*shrug* I yam what I yam. (pun very much intended)

In my opinion that may be a portayal of a Wanderers mentallity, here to help but not to sustain? Just a quick thought rereading that bit hehe.

Anyway... back when I was actively and successfully caring for my house plants, I found they did a lot better if I spent time, at least whenever I gave them water (and sometimes just for the heck of it) focusing healing/health energy into them. Even for those who have no healing training this is not a difficult thing to do -- it's all about intent. I don't use my own personal energy for any kind of healing work; I draw the energy from outside my self into my hands - which is simply an act of will/intent - and use my hands to focus the energy where I intuitively feel it's needed. My hands usually warm up quite a bit while I'm doing this, and often I'll feel a vibration in my palms and fingertips.

I am very used to such energy work. I don't do it anymore, why, i don't know really :S but I did come with alot of sucsess with it, mostly with people and animals, there is no reason plants should be different to that. David Wilcock does talk about research of stress on plants. Attataching a lie detector to the plant, and trying to get a reasction out of it. David says himself sent negative energy to a plant and it did make a strong reading. So theres some proof about it hehe

One thing is for sure, I am very suprised at how similar you descibe the energy work as I call it, to methods/experiences of my own. Something which is happening alot these few days on this forum..

A few small quartz crystals laid on the top of the soil plus citrine points in the water filter pitcher I used to filter the tap water before watering them (the citrine would sit in the water, at a minimum, over night) seemed to be really good for their health as well. It certainly is good for mine. I've come to discern between water that has thus been energized and water that has not; I'm sure the plants could tell the difference too.

Of course that last bit came sneakily close to being "watering advice"....

Please keep us posted as you explore this subject!
plur

I do possess 2 chakra set's to which I've never used. Maybe this is their time lol. I Own alot of Ameythists over all ver gemstones, would you know perhaps on the effect or purple upon a plant? Red and Blue make purple, but with energies I am pretty sure that this is not the case, unless somebody can correct me? Colour variances and mixes when in regards to energies I was never to sure. Personally I used purple and white prodominantly, I always seemed to have a top balanced chakra system.

I will try putting gems in the water and on the soil, and as I said in the first post, about the Blue and Red, I will investigate to these colour gems also.

I smell an experement, in the likeness of little school.

Love and Light

[Sirius]

Trees are shifting to 3D and some are already 4D. This seems to be in relation to my discourse with the trees.

fairyfarmgirl

would this deffinaition not defy Ra's terming of a 3D graduated soul becoming human? I think we could use 3D sunset to give us an appropriate quote from TLOO

When you say discourse, are you meaning, talking with trees? not neccersealy speech but any type of communication?

I experemented with that once but never really got too far with it. I actually found the communications fairly drawn out, much as how the ents out of LOTR thinking about it haha. I did drop it due to friends making jokes about talking to tree's sooooo..

Love and Light!

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Plant sentience, as Seen Through Shamanic Amazonian Worldview

WOW great insights, not just that thread but the whole forum. I have bookmarked it's index for later lmao Seems as though there could be alot of valuble material there.

Thanks for the link!

[Richard]

What does everybody know about plants?

I know they are 2D, but not much else.

I found out yesterday that they aremost susseptable to red and blue light, as our opposed human suseptability to green.

It might not mean anything to you, hopefully it does though lol. But it got me thinking that there is a huge ammount we can learn about and maybe from, about the spiritual existence of plantlife. I can't word it better, as per usual.

Ultimately I want to be able to help my plants grow, not through miricle grow, but through positive thinking, and some very well thought out meditations.

I have never really been into plants but my partner has bout me one. and it has really got me buzzing, as if we have a new pet or something like that lol. More living bodies in the house so to speak.

I don't need watering advice, apparantly this thing can live through hell

Any of you ever encountered this subject before? Study of plant spirit bodies? (another weird way to word it haha)

Love and Light,
a rookie wordsmith. (Thinking always has been easier than putting it into words)

Hi Sirius,

My wife and I love plants. At any given time of the year, you’d find numerous flowering species in the back and front yards. Currently, as we move into summer, we’ve got the following in bloom…wax begonias ( 2 colors -red & white), petunias, purslane, blue daze, hibiscus (2 colors – magenta pink, very pale pink), black & blue salvia, plumbago, spicey jatropa, impatiens and blue sage. Not including the fresh herbs, pothos ivy, palm trees, pines and the Meyer lemon tree.

Don’t mistake the use of a quality fertilizer or potting / garden soil with the wish to nuture your plants with positive thoughts. Do both. But sometimes the soils in the areas that you’ll plant need help. Use Miracle Grow or manure to fertilize…but fertilize often for the flowers, use plenty of mulch and add new soil (not just dirt..but with plenty of organic character) to your beds and pots yearly.

Richard

[Sirius]

Hey Sirius!
I also love a lot plants!
We have grown a garden here where we live, with plenty of herbs, flowers and vegetables, and some old trees which were already here.
I can feel their spirit energy, sometimes, mainly in trees, their individual energy.
This is just what I sense, I haven't tried to go deeper than this, but there are a few books on gardening with devas (nature spirits).
I am very moved to care for them (the plants), every day, just a thing that I love.
I think they like it, that I am around them.

I can tell you are loving towards your plants from the way you write. I would say I'm at the same degree of understanding nature Spirits. I did spend a lot of time looking into the various different types, I met somebody who claimed they lived with a "brownie" took alot of research and open mindedness to understand what she was on about. Her experiences she spoke of though, point very directly to the reality of there being an invisible entity looking after her plants.

Would you suppose there would be a difference if these plants are inside or outside, in regards to the ammount of "intervention" being the wrong word, from Nature Spirits?

Love and Light!

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Hi Sirius,

My wife and I love plants. At any given time of the year, you’d find numerous flowering species in the back and front yards. Currently, as we move into summer, we’ve got the following in bloom…wax begonias ( 2 colors -red & white), petunias, purslane, blue daze, hibiscus (2 colors – magenta pink, very pale pink), black & blue salvia, plumbago, spicey jatropa, impatiens and blue sage. Not including the fresh herbs, pothos ivy, palm trees, pines and the Meyer lemon tree.

Sounds totally beautiful!

Don’t mistake the use of a quality fertilizer or potting / garden soil with the wish to nuture your plants with positive thoughts. Do both. But sometimes the soils in the areas that you’ll plant need help. Use Miracle Grow or manure to fertilize…but fertilize often for the flowers, use plenty of mulch and add new soil (not just dirt..but with plenty of organic character) to your beds and pots yearly.

Richard

Luckily I found a big box of Miracle grow, and I have got some organic conpost on hand fate is pulling this together all on it's own! haha

The colour of miracle grow scared me though. Deep Teal would be one way to descibe it lol

Keep up the hard work

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I have to say that definitions are easy, but very much a function of the mind that wants to 'make things tidy'.

What on earth (or any other dimension) are we talking about here..? Do you KNOW what's 3D, or 4D, or 5D, etc? Have you experienced these levels of being?

Deffinitions are a natural requirement for any given type of language. This forum is essentially about Ra's deffinition of reality. Ra may define for many what I personally find impossible to word.

I feel as if I have experience i knowing about dimensional differences but that is another story for the wanderer section.

Just becuase you have doubts upon a subject does not mean it is imagination, this is what we find increasinly when we collectively share experiences and information on forums such as these amongst other mediums.

You may want to find out what The Law of One is actually about.

Love, Light and Luck.

[fairyfarmgirl]

The language of plants is in the emotive state... the emote colors and emotional language (this is where the words are tricky--- what must be experienced is so challenging to discuss)--- the discourse is in the full range of experience... not words but images, emotions, and subtle changes of the tree... for instance some trees make their own wind... they move air by moving thier leaves... independent of the other trees.

They are an intelligence. And although Ra does not recognize the intelligence or soul of the Tree: any poet or artist or sensitive would... I greatly respect the Wisdom of Ra however, they are beings and not gods and thus have thier own bias as well.

I commune with the Trees and I am better for it. The wisdom of Peace that they transmit and emote and their generous gifts of Love for the EARTH and all her Children are immense. I will stop here as this is site dicussing the wisdom of Ra so since Ra does not recognize the ensoulment of Trees... it is moot point.

fairyfarmgirl

[3D Sunset]

And although Ra does not recognize the intelligence or soul of the Tree: any poet or artist or sensitive would... I greatly respect the Wisdom of Ra however, they are beings and not gods and thus have thier own bias as well.

Hello my friend fairyfarmgirl. Although I would not argue your final point, I would take exception to your first. Ra speaks eloquently of trees in particular, even indicating that they can evolve into 3D essentially as trees (albeit not in our sub-logos, which has chosen the bipedal form for 3D evolution). He also notes that their nature tends to allow them to advance more quickly. I especially like the insight that movement is a tree's form of meditation.

Questioner: I was wondering if that particular social memory complex from the Sirius star evolved from trees?

Ra: I am Ra. This approaches correctness. Those second-density vegetation forms which graduated into third-density upon this planet bearing the name of Dog were close to the tree as you know it.

Questioner: I was also wondering, since action of a bellicose nature is impossible as far as I understand vegetation, would they not have the advantage as they move into third-density from second to not carry a racial memory of a bellicose nature and therefore develop a more harmonious society and accelerate their evolution in this nature?

Ra: I am Ra. This is correct. However, to become balanced and begin to polarize properly it is then necessary to investigate movements of all kinds, especially bellicosity.

Questioner: I am assuming, then, that their investigations of bellicosity were primarily of the type that they extracted from Hixson’s memory rather than warfare among themselves?

Ra: I am Ra. This is correct. Entities of this heritage would find it nearly impossible to fight. Indeed, their studies of movements of all kinds is their form of meditation due to the fact that their activity is upon the level of what you would call meditation and thus must be balanced, just as your entities need constant moments of meditation to balance your activities.

Questioner: I believe that this is an important point for us in understanding the balancing aspect of meditation since we have here its antithesis in another type of evolution. These entities moved, we are told by Charlie Hixson, without moving their legs. I am assuming that they used a principle that is somewhat similar to the principle of movement of your crystal bells in the movement of their physical vehicles. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is partially incorrect.

Questioner: I am assuming that their method of movement is not a function of mechanical leverage such as ours, but a direct function of the mind somehow connected with the magnetic action of a planet. Is this right?

Ra: I am Ra. This is largely correct. It is an electromagnetic phenomenon which is controlled by thought impulses of a weak electrical nature.

Is this the type quote you were looking for Sirius?

Love and Light,

3D Sunset

[fairyfarmgirl]

Plant sentience, as Seen Through Shamanic Amazonian Worldview

Thank you for providing such a wide reaching and well written account of the the wisdom of the Trees and greater Plant and higher Animal species. Thank you! This article speaks to what I have attempted to express...

fairyfarmgirl

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And although Ra does not recognize the intelligence or soul of the Tree: any poet or artist or sensitive would... I greatly respect the Wisdom of Ra however, they are beings and not gods and thus have thier own bias as well.

Hello my friend fairyfarmgirl. Although I would not argue your final point, I would take exception to your first. Ra speaks eloquently of trees in particular, even indicating that they can evolve into 3D essentially as trees (albeit not in our sub-logos, which has chosen the bipedal form for 3D evolution). He also notes that their nature tends to allow them to advance more quickly. I especially like the insight that movement is a tree's form of meditation.

Questioner: I was wondering if that particular social memory complex from the Sirius star evolved from trees?

Ra: I am Ra. This approaches correctness. Those second-density vegetation forms which graduated into third-density upon this planet bearing the name of Dog were close to the tree as you know it.

Questioner: I was also wondering, since action of a bellicose nature is impossible as far as I understand vegetation, would they not have the advantage as they move into third-density from second to not carry a racial memory of a bellicose nature and therefore develop a more harmonious society and accelerate their evolution in this nature?

Ra: I am Ra. This is correct. However, to become balanced and begin to polarize properly it is then necessary to investigate movements of all kinds, especially bellicosity.

Questioner: I am assuming, then, that their investigations of bellicosity were primarily of the type that they extracted from Hixson’s memory rather than warfare among themselves?

Ra: I am Ra. This is correct. Entities of this heritage would find it nearly impossible to fight. Indeed, their studies of movements of all kinds is their form of meditation due to the fact that their activity is upon the level of what you would call meditation and thus must be balanced, just as your entities need constant moments of meditation to balance your activities.

Questioner: I believe that this is an important point for us in understanding the balancing aspect of meditation since we have here its antithesis in another type of evolution. These entities moved, we are told by Charlie Hixson, without moving their legs. I am assuming that they used a principle that is somewhat similar to the principle of movement of your crystal bells in the movement of their physical vehicles. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is partially incorrect.

Questioner: I am assuming that their method of movement is not a function of mechanical leverage such as ours, but a direct function of the mind somehow connected with the magnetic action of a planet. Is this right?

Ra: I am Ra. This is largely correct. It is an electromagnetic phenomenon which is controlled by thought impulses of a weak electrical nature.

Is this the type quote you were looking for Sirius?

Love and Light,

3D Sunset

Good Greetings 3D Sunset:

I mean no offense. I apologize for any that was taken. I can not find any quotes where Ra says that Trees are sentient or have souls. My personal experience indicates that Trees are indeed sentient and do indeed have a soul. Of course this is my experience and I am sure there are many who will disagree with my statements of experience. I do apologize for any offense and thank you for the quotes.

fairyfarmgirl

[Sirius]

It's not about what I doubt or believe, but what I experience...(edited by moderator)

PM

[3D Sunset]

I mean no offense. I apologize for any that was taken. I can not find any quotes where Ra says that Trees are sentient or have souls. My personal experience indicates that Trees are indeed sentient and do indeed have a soul. Of course this is my experience and I am sure there are many who will disagree with my statements of experience. I do apologize for any offense and thank you for the quotes.

Rest assured my great fellow tree lover, that none was taken, and I apologize if the tone of my response left you that impression. Far be it from me to feel the need or ability to defend the Law of One. I was simply trying to inject some of the wisdom that Ra shared regarding trees, and note what I felt was a misconception on your part.

As to tree's sentience, Ra does indicate that Trees are a highly advanced life form that, in this sub-logos, can and do evolve into the 3D creatures we call humans.

Does this mean that trees have souls? Well, actually yes, according to Ra, trees do have souls as do all 2D and even 1D entities. The difference being that the soul of a 2D creature is non-differentiated from its group or collective consciousness. Thus, when a 2D creature dies, its soul returns to its 2D collective consciousness.

Ra does indicate that 3D humans evolve from (in order relative probability on Earth) animals, vegetables and even minerals (yes, like rocks and places and things...a fascinating topic for a discussion on it own). What Ra doesn't discuss is what happens once a 2D creature becomes harvestable into 3D. Being 3D harvestable would mean that the 2D creature has indeed differentiated its consciousness from the collective. This is to me the birth of the individuated soul. The plan for our sub-logos however does not provide the creation of a mind/body/spirit complexes for entities other than what we on Earth call humans.

Given that the LOO does provide for trees' (and other animals', vegetables' and minerals') sentience, the question becomes: "Are they capable of evolving in that form in 3D?" Which is another way of asking (for example): "Can a tree on Earth polarize to the point of graduating into 4D?" Here, I think that the LOO is clear that the answer is: "No, not on Earth, but yes, it is possible (and does indeed happen) in at least one other sub-logos."

Probably more than you wanted to know. Forgive me for my rambling, but trust that I am never offended.

Love and Light and tree huggin',

3D Sunset

(Note: I chose not to include my trademark LOO quotes to back up these assertions to aid readability of the response. If anyone is interested, I would be glad to add them in the future).

[Ali Quadir]

I can't discuss Ra's understanding on this, only my own.

There is a beech in a forest nearby here. It has granted me the honor of communicating with me. I was walking in the forest with a friend and I saw what seemed like a path through the underbrush into a wide open space dominated by this beech in the exact center.

As I walked into the open space I felt the energy of the tree clearly pressing against me. I walked around the tree a few times just exploring the energy with my body and then I used my hands to feel the energy flow in the trunk. Trees that are wounded often leak energy which is easy to pick up. I'm not inclined to put my forehead on every tree I meet. But I did it that time. As soon as I did I felt the situation of a small insect like animal that landed on the tree drinking from the juices in it's bark. The pulse of life in the small animal was very fast. The pulse of life in the tree was very slow. It felt ancient. I did not feel the small animal was a parasite, more like it was being breastfed like a child. I took the perspective of the insect. It was pretty intense. I later requested this tree to be the place for my initiation into Sufism..

From this experience I have gained the limited understanding that plants somehow serve as transformers. They downscale energy and convert it to something that can be consumed by us. They clearly do this with their photosynthetic cycle but also on more levels. This has the result of life energy being available to us. But also of somehow separating beginning from end. Like the pillars in the temple separate the floor from the ceiling the trees separate heaven from earth to create Mitgaard, the middle kingdom, for us to live in.

My understanding is severely limited and restricted to a handful of experiences. But I am inclined to believe they are somehow responsible for co-creating our habitat on a more conscious level than just being part of the biological cycle. The o2 cycle is a physical expression of that co-creation.

[fairyfarmgirl]

Thank you, Ali Quadir. For your post on trees. I have a personal relationship with a old Maple tree that looks a little like this. click here, http://images-cdn01.associatedcontent.co...154845.jpg
Maples give some much of themselves to all.

fairyfarmgirl

[Ali Quadir]

Thank you, Ali Quadir. For your post on trees. I have a personal relationship with a old Maple tree that looks a little like this. click here, http://images-cdn01.associatedcontent.co...154845.jpg
Maples give some much of themselves to all.

It's a beauty. It's one of the trees I'd recognize as indeed spreading around a lot of energy. I have this idea and maybe you can confirm or deny this that trees with this type of "broken" bark spread more ambient energy than trees with "smooth" bark...

Leaves are also much more sociable than pines who just tend to stand around in groups trying to ignore the rest of the world

(If outsiders hear us talk I'd have to kiss my future career as president of the world goodbye)

I actually followed a tree talking workshop... A friend of mine came up with it as something funny to do. I had not taken it very serious up until then.

To me talking to trees was like talking to chickens. Sure they're alive and aware but does that make them conversationalists? I expected the conversations to get bogged down. And I was worried not seeing the difference between being attentively listened to or politely ignored. Also they're very territorial. You can't just invite them over for coffee.. I think in general that if they've got their roots somewhere they just tend to stay there.

We decided to roll with it anyway and it was great fun. At one point me and a fellow student were walking up to a small group of three pines who had an isolated island in a sea of grass for just the three of them. As instructed we tried to sense the trees energy to see if we were welcome. The unexpected happened, we were not! So we were just walking around confused. Looking at each other with a "What on earth just happened?" look in our faces.

The two ladies giving the course later admitted they were rolling on the grass laughing. They say they had checked the day before with the trees if they would participate. All trees would, except for these three. They decided not to tell us but to just see if people would pick it up. And when we were walking there, from a distance we acted as if we just bumped into an invisible wall and then clearly became terribly confused and directionless.

Maybe they had a bad experience with humans. Maybe they just liked to stick to themselves.

I'd honestly never been told off by a tree before... There is a first time for everything.

[fairyfarmgirl]

Thank you, Ali Quadir. For your post on trees. I have a personal relationship with a old Maple tree that looks a little like this. click here, http://images-cdn01.associatedcontent.co...154845.jpg
Maples give some much of themselves to all.

It's a beauty. It's one of the trees I'd recognize as indeed spreading around a lot of energy. I have this idea and maybe you can confirm or deny this that trees with this type of "broken" bark spread more ambient energy than trees with "smooth" bark...

Leaves are also much more sociable than pines who just tend to stand around in groups trying to ignore the rest of the world

(If outsiders hear us talk I'd have to kiss my future career as president of the world goodbye)

I actually followed a tree talking workshop... A friend of mine came up with it as something funny to do. I had not taken it very serious up until then.

To me talking to trees was like talking to chickens. Sure they're alive and aware but does that make them conversationalists? I expected the conversations to get bogged down. And I was worried not seeing the difference between being attentively listened to or politely ignored. Also they're very territorial. You can't just invite them over for coffee.. I think in general that if they've got their roots somewhere they just tend to stay there.

We decided to roll with it anyway and it was great fun. At one point me and a fellow student were walking up to a small group of three pines who had an isolated island in a sea of grass for just the three of them. As instructed we tried to sense the trees energy to see if we were welcome. The unexpected happened, we were not! So we were just walking around confused. Looking at each other with a "What on earth just happened?" look in our faces.

The two ladies giving the course later admitted they were rolling on the grass laughing. They say they had checked the day before with the trees if they would participate. All trees would, except for these three. They decided not to tell us but to just see if people would pick it up. And when we were walking there, from a distance we acted as if we just bumped into an invisible wall and then clearly became terribly confused and directionless.

Maybe they had a bad experience with humans. Maybe they just liked to stick to themselves.

I'd honestly never been told off by a tree before... There is a first time for everything.

Evergreen trees are always very territorial and protective of the earth they are holding. Many times Pines or Junipers grow within the space of energy centers or areas that have deep deep crystals and/or are doorways. They are the guardians of these spaces.

Did you know that there is a sea plant that can change its digestibity (it can make itself poisonous) based on whether or not it feels threatened. The world of Plants is vastly more intelligent than we are aware of as modern humans.

I would encourage you to read some Lynn Andrews books or Anastasia, Vladamire Megre to learn more about the wisdom and intelligence of Trees.

Trees do indeed travel, they travel through their roots which can grow miles and miles away from them and many kinds of trees have roots that can then grow an offshoot tree that grows upwards to take a look or anchor energy.

fairyfarmgirl

[Sirius]

Thank you, Ali Quadir. For your post on trees. I have a personal relationship with a old Maple tree that looks a little like this. click here, http://images-cdn01.associatedcontent.co...154845.jpg
Maples give some much of themselves to all.

It's a beauty. It's one of the trees I'd recognize as indeed spreading around a lot of energy. I have this idea and maybe you can confirm or deny this that trees with this type of "broken" bark spread more ambient energy than trees with "smooth" bark...

Leaves are also much more sociable than pines who just tend to stand around in groups trying to ignore the rest of the world

(If outsiders hear us talk I'd have to kiss my future career as president of the world goodbye)

I actually followed a tree talking workshop... A friend of mine came up with it as something funny to do. I had not taken it very serious up until then.

To me talking to trees was like talking to chickens. Sure they're alive and aware but does that make them conversationalists? I expected the conversations to get bogged down. And I was worried not seeing the difference between being attentively listened to or politely ignored. Also they're very territorial. You can't just invite them over for coffee.. I think in general that if they've got their roots somewhere they just tend to stay there.

We decided to roll with it anyway and it was great fun. At one point me and a fellow student were walking up to a small group of three pines who had an isolated island in a sea of grass for just the three of them. As instructed we tried to sense the trees energy to see if we were welcome. The unexpected happened, we were not! So we were just walking around confused. Looking at each other with a "What on earth just happened?" look in our faces.

The two ladies giving the course later admitted they were rolling on the grass laughing. They say they had checked the day before with the trees if they would participate. All trees would, except for these three. They decided not to tell us but to just see if people would pick it up. And when we were walking there, from a distance we acted as if we just bumped into an invisible wall and then clearly became terribly confused and directionless.

Maybe they had a bad experience with humans. Maybe they just liked to stick to themselves.

I'd honestly never been told off by a tree before... There is a first time for everything.

Amazing

I'm really suprised at the number of people who can speak to trees, or have tried. I really thought it was a silly thing to mention on the forum, I guess not

Love and Light

[Lorna]

has anyone ever read any of the Robbin Hobb books? they're fantasy novels - but she seems to have a strong connections to trees, and i suspect has stumbled across the Ra Material at one time.

there's a character in her most popular trilogy who you just reminded me of Ali Quadir - a quote in it says 'I never thought to be disdained by a tree' - it's really funny in context - worth reading if you're into fantasy novels

[pluralone]

Ali Quadir wrote: "At one point me and a fellow student were walking up to a small group of three pines who had an isolated island in a sea of grass for just the three of them. As instructed we tried to sense the trees energy to see if we were welcome. The unexpected happened, we were not! ...

Maybe they had a bad experience with humans. Maybe they just liked to stick to themselves."

Or they may have been very focused, perhaps doing some energy work of some sort, and needed to stay focused. In my home area, there are several large pines that have connected with other trees (any who wish to participate), gathering strength for Earth-healing work. The larger pines act as conduits for the energy, and unless one is inquiring about this work specifically, discussion is discouraged. They are seriously focused on the work.

Fairyfarmgirl wrote, "Evergreen trees are always very territorial and protective of the earth they are holding. Many times Pines or Junipers grow within the space of energy centers or areas that have deep deep crystals and/or are doorways. They are the guardians of these spaces."

This has been my experience as well. Some extend their guardianship in the way I described (above); some 'area' groups - the one in my home area covers only a small part of the state - have extended to connect with other 'area' groups to promote Earth-healing on a wider network. It's my understanding that these network connections began only recently and that the intent is to continue creating connections until they have become world-wide. Because not all areas have trees growing in them, some of the 'area' groups involve other types of plant and/or mineral life.

And yes, Sirius, we have to be careful who we talk to or you will never be President and I will never be Omnipotent Potentate of the world! But far from being 'silly' I think this is an important discussion (all silliness aside)!

And thank you, Lorna - I've seen the old, old Robin Hood TV series but have never read the books, and I'd like to. Suspect there may be more than one author..? Can you provide the name of the author of the books you've mentioned?
plur

[Lorna]

hiya plur
ah confusing names - no robin hobb is the name of the author, actually a penname, the books i was referring, 'the farseer trilogy'
robin hood though - yes interesting connection to trees there too

[pluralone]

LMAO!!!

My eyes... sometimes they don't see so well. Probably read it as "Robin Hood" because I've seen the series recently on ShoutCast. 'Twas a bit confusing to me because I've never seen anything on the show that even remotely touched on trees as intelligent beings. Just places to hang out while watching for bad guys and opportunities to ambush the rich.

Now I'll be keeping my unreliable eyes out for the proper author. *giggle*

Thanks!
plur

[Lorna]

lol! actually the tree stuff is in the third book of a trilogy of pretty huge books, so i'd only read them if you enjoy those kind of novels anyway
she did write another trilogy more recently that is almost entirely based on the idea of trees as intelligent beings - but to be honest the books are not her best...

[Sirius]

A few questions I have been mulling over while thinking about my little seedling.. xD

Plants and trees are there a difference, besides of course the life span, speaking to plants?

and names? do plants and trees give themselves names? do they want names? or is it just acknowldgement they can make sence out of?

Cloning, if you take a cutting of a plant, and it then too grows into a 'full plant' how would this afect the awareness? 2 places at once?

Love and Light ^^

[pluralone]

Sirius, why not ask your seedling if it has a name?

I've not encountered any plants who identify themselves with a name, but that might simply be more about my own attitude toward names; I rarely remember a name the first time I hear it; even with other humans I'm much more attuned to their energy as an identifier rather than their names or even what they look like... which I used to view as some sort of deficit on my part but now I see it as just one more way in which I am me. But anyway, I've never directly asked a plant/tree its name simply because that doesn't really matter so much to me. It's not like it will ever walk away and I won't be able to tell who it is when it's mingling with a new crowd... heh

Communication with plants, for me, comes primarily as vibrational exchanges although sometimes there are mental images as well, especially if the communication includes external subjects such as nearby insects or birds or the state of the soil, things like that. The plant's identity has always been in terms of its energetic 'signature', something akin to the vibrational equivalent of personality.

Sharing my own observations regarding the differences between plant varieties would take a whole lot more space than I'd really want to post here, but perhaps it's sufficient to say that in my experience there are both similarities and differences. The differences involve, in part, where the individual plant/tree resides beyond this physical dimension - where the 'high self' resides, in other words.

I'm not sure if I've ever encountered a cloned plant (probably not) but I think, you know, a new plant can be grown from a cutting or a seed or a bit of root or whatever, and the new plant has a life of its own. I can't imagine that a clone would be much different in that regard; it's still a plant all on its own.

And how is your seedling doing anyway, Sirius?

Much love,
plur

[fairyfarmgirl]

A few questions I have been mulling over while thinking about my little seedling.. xD

Plants and trees are there a difference, besides of course the life span, speaking to plants?

and names? do plants and trees give themselves names? do they want names? or is it just acknowldgement they can make sence out of?

Cloning, if you take a cutting of a plant, and it then too grows into a 'full plant' how would this afect the awareness? 2 places at once?

Love and Light ^^

Sirus:

When you root an ariel part of a plant this is like expanding the prescence of the plant... it communicates with its "parent." And also develops its own personality.

Some plants live thousands and thousands of years and they are not trees... but plants. Take the Geranium for instance, or the Lily, or the Mugwort. These plants live on and on and continually expand their being through dividing their roots and rizhomes.

Plants indeed will tell you their name-- sometimes in word pictures or sometimes the Deva-Spirit-Fairy of that plant will inspire the name to you through a whisper or suggestion of a book to find your answer in. Sometimes they will answer you out right.

I would really encourage you to read Anastasia, Ringing Cedars--Book 1 by Vladamire Megre to truly understand the discourse with Plants. I highly recommend this book. Anastasia is an inter-dimensional teacher. She is very STO in polarization. This Being, Anastasia, has inspired the Kin's Domains Movement (a translated term for the Dachas and the dwellers are called dachniks) all through out Russia, Eastern Europe, Ukraine, and some areas of Europe and North America. This is a big and grass roots movement based in living in harmony with the Earth and in Communication with the Earth and all her inhabitants through the language of LOVE. A concurrent movement that is similar to the Anastasia Movement is called Permaculuture and this movement began in Australia and has spread all over the globe. The roots of both movements are in the same principles of plant communication and Earth Intelligence.

fairyfarmgirl

[Sirius]

I tried talking to my plant, and well once I did it was like it wouldent shut up hehe, probably explains why it has been so dominant in my thoughts.

I did get a name from it, but my own disbelief in my past is making me question my accuracy though.

I did 'explain' this to the plant, to be patient with me, with repeated questions etc, and I got a warm resonce so, I dont think I'm going to upset to poor thing hehe.

It sounds silly to put it in such words, but I am falling in love with it, the plant. haha, the brimming energy in my heart gets woken up by this plant. It is good, but also confusing, the people around me fail to give me the same.

The plant is doing so well! it's growing really fast too about half an inch a day, with the ammount I look at it, i am watching it do it all hehe. It's about 5 inches tall now and really healthy and green

I have the green aventurine in the pot with it also, to promote it's abundance of life/leaves. I found that the clear quartz and sodalite kinda of made the plant a bit dormant, stopped it growing.

Love and Light

[pluralone]

Good to hear your plant is doing so well - and that you're getting so much joy from your connection with it! What a beautiful thing that you can accept loving energy from such a natural and unconditional source. Some folks would only feel discomfort. 'Course, folks at Bring4th aren't just 'some folks' now, are they?

Curious as heck about what name the plant gave you for itself. Care to share?

Regarding the quartz/sodalite: I would bet that the quartz merely served to intensify the energy of the sodalite; I doubt that the quartz by itself would act as a growth inhibitor. Too, if you place the quartz next to the aventurine it would probably intensify the aventurine's energy. Just a thought.
plur

[Sirius]

I can't remember for the life of me what ORMUS is. I ran into it a couple of years ago, but i seem to have forgotten ^^

Unfortunately I can't freeze my plants, we have rubbish weather here, but not sub zero weather luckily :p

I think I'd upset it if I froze it anyway haha ^^

Interesting link though.