Ra Initiation = Torture?

[SirJosephPaxton]

https://www.lawofone.info/s/65#22

I've read this one a few times and the image finally kind of struck me.


Questioner: Can you tell me what this chamber did to the entity to create this awareness in him?

Ra: I am Ra. This chamber worked upon the mind and the body. The mind was affected by sensory deprivation and the archetypical reactions to being buried alive with no possibility of extricating the self. The body was affected both by the mind configuration and by the electrical and piezoelectrical properties of the materials which were used in the construction of the resonating chamber.




Now, if I'm reading that correctly, as part of the initiation process a person was (willingly?) placed into some kind of sarcophagus deep within the pyramid with the impression that they were not getting out again.  Literally buried alive ...to induce a fear and terror so intense it created a kind of death and after you'd given up all hope and accepted your fate, Ra jumps out from around the corner and is like, 

"Surprise!  You're enlightened now, bro!  We totally weren't going to kill you.  We just had to scare the living s*** out of you.  It's cool.  It's science.  You're welcome.  Enjoy being a super-human and try not to be a dick, okay?"

I guess I have two questions and am hoping someone here perhaps has some insight:

1. If the processes involved in initiation were known in full to the initiate - do you think there'd be many takers?  
2. Did Ra coerce or somehow trick these people into going through this process?  As well-intentioned as they may have been?

The Ra material was basically the trigger for my own personal awakening.  I love Ra ....but if I'm being perfectly honest there's also a very tiny and quiet part of me that feels something like anger toward that group.  I've had trouble reconciling it.  Maybe similar to one's feelings for a really tough teacher who pushes you to your limit to get the best out of you?  

Or maybe because their fiddle-farting around created a group of power-hungry super-priests who worked counter to Ra's objectives and created a dynamic that we earthlings still feel the repercussions of today.   Or maybe it would have been that way anyway.  I dunno.  Just sharing my thoughts and hoping for some enlightenment from this wonderful and knowledgeable community.  Thanks.

Sir Joe

[LeiwoUnion]

Initiation like this is like, shall I say, a forest fire. Terrifying and destructive, doesn't discriminate over a plant, a tree, a predator, prey, a building, even a human. When all old has been wiped clean, then a new unique, fresh and revitalized forest may be reborn on the newly fertilized soil. We're all overgrown with red, orange and yellow ray based foundations, structures, constructs and other thought forms. For a crystallized being, or adept, none of this has any value and must be dropped. Opening the gateway to infinite intelligence may be approached via gradual balancing work, or via previously mentioned initiation ritual (among other ways). Facing all of the lower center distortions/blockages in need of dismantling (some may call this shadow work) at once can be an excruciating experience when the 'ego self' cries for its 'survival', so to speak.

There's nothing wrong in this when done willingly, and I'm quite certain those initial initiation processes were for volunteers only that had some idea what they would be facing in there. Initiation, as far as I know, only works through conscious or unconscious calling anyway. It's quite unfortunate that the negatives were allowed to co-opt the process, through the grievous naivete shown by those of Ra at the time. However, I have no reason to believe their intention wasn't pure.

This is ONLY my understanding.

[Sacred Fool]

I would suppose that if a participant's psyche lived mainly on a yellow-ray level, they would have a mainly yellow-ray experience and be concerned about what others were doing to them, how such an experience was messing up their plans and so forth. And if a participant's psyche were open to the level of spirit, the experience would be mainly spiritual.

I would say that the very same principle applies to those who read this (or any) posting on this website.

The experience of being buried alive can flip the psyche out of its conventional realm of thinking/feeling into a more expansive zone of awareness. As we all know, the internet often does this as well.

Well, on the other hand, maybe on the internet we're mostly just pissing our lives away? Sometimes it can be hard to know for sure. How can we know the difference between yellow ray and spiritual experience? Maybe by discussing it intellectually?

[Quincunx]

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[SirJosephPaxton]

I'll have to relate to my own experiences for these questions.

I posted on my Wanderer story a picture of a wall in my bedroom with an alien shadow that I colored in myself.



When I was much younger I heard about UFO stories and alien abductions. I didn't think this was real or if I did then I didn't understand the concept completely. In 2017 while reading the Ra Material I had more questions than what Ra was providing. I did my own search for the truth. I came across a conspiracy channel on Youtube that later got taken down due to what the investigative journalist was saying about current topics. I came across a few interviews that mentioned aliens are real and some governments around the world are in current contact with them. This information shook my system to the core. The thought of an actual alien presence on Earth without anyone noticing had me scared to go outside for several weeks. It was all in my head but the fear I was creating was strong. I began to feel a presence in my bedroom and sometimes wherever I went. I have read others on Bring4th that have had similar experiences where they thought someone was staring at them or knew they were not alone. I began to notice light orbs flashing within my field of vision. Then one day during one of the whistleblower interviews I began laughing and turned my head to the right. There it was. The silhouette of a Roswell type of alien. I say Roswell because of their larger heads. I didn't do a good job of depicting this in the picture. This was enough confirmation for me to realize "they" are here and "they" have always been here.

65.22 mentions being buried alive. I think this fear was necessary to create an opening to a new understanding. I believe I may have answered your questions to some extent.

After my experience with the alien shadow. The fear left me over the course of a few months. I wasn't aware of Bring4th otherwise I may have had a community to help me through this difficult time. It took years of interpreting my dreams to understand that there is some kind of communication taking place between me and other-selves. I have no clue who I am in contact with. I have just come into the understanding that "they" are considered friend.

My friend - had I shared your experience I'm not sure I ever would have recovered.  Thank you for sharing your story.

[flofrog]

Hello SirJosephPaxton,

So good to see you here on a n ordinal thread from you

I would say as both Sacred Fool and in another way Quincunx, are hinting, somehow it’s probably based on whether you enter the experience in fear or not. I remember when reading for the first time that passage, I was elated thinking, oh if only I could try that.
This probably because I have some blond ( well green frog obviously) thinking. To me it relates too a little to sitting in zazen, the silence of it.

I am reading a really interesting new book by a British writer named Bill Browder. It’s about courage of Russians opposing a regime. I have a feeling that some of those imprisoned men or women find that utter dimension of peace by embracing the all out moment of present.

[SirJosephPaxton]

Initiation like this is like, shall I say, a forest fire. Terrifying and destructive, doesn't discriminate over a plant, a tree, a predator, prey, a building, even a human. When all old has been wiped clean, then a new unique, fresh and revitalized forest may be reborn on the newly fertilized soil. We're all overgrown with red, orange and yellow ray based foundations, structures,  constructs and other thought forms. For a crystallized being, or adept, none of this has any value and must be dropped. Opening the gateway to infinite intelligence may be approached via gradual balancing work, or via previously mentioned initiation ritual (among other ways). Facing all of the lower center distortions/blockages in need of dismantling (some may call this shadow work) at once can be an excruciating experience when the 'ego self' cries for its 'survival', so to speak.

There's nothing wrong in this when done willingly, and I'm quite certain those initial initiation processes were for volunteers only that had some idea what they would be facing in there. Initiation, as far as I know, only works through conscious or unconscious calling anyway. It's quite unfortunate that the negatives were allowed to co-opt the process, through the grievous naivete shown by those of Ra at the time. However, I have no reason to believe their intention wasn't pure.

This is ONLY my understanding.

Shadow work's no joke - my experiences in that arena have been terrifying (which is why I've largely stopped screwing with it).  Seems like fear plays a fairly prominent role in this game - still, I think I'd prefer the gradual balancing work over the get-rich-quick option.  Buried alive is right up there with falling off a cruise ship in the middle of the ocean in the dark of night with no life vest.  Just the thought makes me shiver.  In any event - thank you very much for sharing your understanding.

[SirJosephPaxton]

Hello SirJosephPaxton,

So good to see you here on a n ordinal thread from you

I would say as both Sacred Fool and in another way Quincunx, are hinting, somehow it’s probably based on whether you enter the experience in fear or not. I remember when reading for the first time that passage, I was elated thinking, oh if only I could try that.
This probably because I have some blond ( well green frog obviously) thinking. To me it relates too  a little to sitting in zazen, the silence of it.

I am reading a really interesting new book by a British writer named Bill Browder. It’s about courage of Russians opposing a regime. I have a feeling that some of those imprisoned men or women find that utter dimension of peace by embracing the all out moment of present.

flofrog!  Thank you!  You are an incredibly brave individual in my eyes - I have a few fear-triggers and being buried alive is definitely one of them.  I'm sure you would have been one of Ra's star pupils.    
I believe I would have told them to kick rocks.  Although it kind of reminds me of this time my son was afraid to go down a water slide.  My normally gentle-natured wife coaxed him to the top, and then pushed him down it.  He got over his fear and had an absolute blast, but I can't help but think that it will someday come back to haunt her.  ...I wonder if Ra gave a few initiates a gentle nudge down the old water slide...

[IndigoSalvia]

I believe I would have told them to kick rocks.

1. If the processes involved in initiation were known in full to the initiate - do you think there'd be many takers?  

-- I think those drawn to this process would find their way to it, for whatever purpose. I am analytical, and would probably ask a lot of questions before climbing into a sarcophagus. My initial reaction: caution with seeking to learn.

[Aion]

To embrace your own mortality is a powerful motion in consciousness. It is, in my experience, difficult to appreciate this without staring death in the face once or twice.

[kilaya]

I believe I would have told them to kick rocks.

1. If the processes involved in initiation were known in full to the initiate - do you think there'd be many takers?  

-- I think those drawn to this process would find their way to it, for whatever purpose. I am analytical, and would probably ask a lot of questions before climbing into a sarcophagus. My initial reaction: caution with seeking to learn.

In my very limited understanding I assume that this type of initiation was similar in this tradition as it was in many others. I think that if I am right about that, a person who receives such an initiation has been trained since birth for such an experience. All of such a person's care-givers from earliest age knows this initiation is that person's destiny and takes a part in that person's prescribed educational system leading up to it. Usually, the initiate was born into a family of spiritual elites who had themselves went through such an experience. His or her prescribed educational program would be arranged to develop a mind that could function normally and stably on higher frequencies which would support and anchor a lion-like inner courage. I don't believe anyone would be put through such an initiation and be expected to survive without such training and without a naturally endowed emotional positivity inherited from supportive past lives.

[jafar]

Maybe it's more of "Surprise, you're not only you, you're more than you".

I just watched this, maybe the experience will be similar.

I Lived in Darkness For 7 Days, Here's What I Learned
https://youtu.be/qK3zxIuJYyc?t=359

So maybe, what is meant by "mind configuration" = "DMT induced mind lacking any external/physical sensory input to set it focus on".
And the effect is being boosted by "electrical and piezoelectrical properties of the materials which were used in the construction of the resonating chamber." pyramidically shaped act as a mirror to direct and orient externally sourced electromagnetic field to the 'non physical layer' of the body located in the chamber.

[SirJosephPaxton]

Maybe it's more of "Surprise, you're not only you, you're more than you".

I just watched this, maybe the experience will be similar.

I Lived in Darkness For 7 Days, Here's What I Learned
https://youtu.be/qK3zxIuJYyc?t=359

So maybe, what is meant by "mind configuration" = "DMT induced mind lacking any external/physical sensory input to set it focus on".
And the effect is being boosted by "electrical and piezoelectrical properties of the materials which were used in the construction of the resonating chamber." pyramidically shaped act as a mirror to direct and orient externally sourced electromagnetic field to the 'non physical layer' of the body located in the chamber.

I think you may be on to something here.  Watched the video and am interested in doing the same.  I've tried psychedelics more than once hoping to reach the other side, if you will, (thanks, Mr. Mckenna).  Even after hero doses I never saw more than cool visuals.  According to Ra this isn't a reliable way of opening up the gateway, but it can work, just not for me I guess.
I think even if one managed to figure out the logistics for doing a 7-Days-In-The-Dark journey, you still know you're walking out of there in 7 days right?  Do you think that matters?  Or do you literally need to think you're going to die?  That would be a harder thing to arrange I think.  And I suppose I'm lacking a pyramid as well... anyway - great stuff, thank you very much for the wonderful input, you've given me a lot to think about.

[jafar]

The 'fundamental principle' is that as 'consciousness' you will never demise.
What you identify yourself as you is 'consciousness' being wrapped by multiple layers of wrapping.
As such that the consciousness only aware or identify itself to the outermost layer of wrapping, a.k.a the physical body.

The consciousness refocusing itself is more common than people thought.
It's also happened when people playing VR games, the consciousness then refocus itself to another layer of wrapping, the 'avatar' inside the VR game.
As such that when other avatars do something to the 'attached avatar' in the VR game, the consciousness will reckon it as doing it to 'me'.
And scream "Aaargh.. they're shooting at me!", while on the 'physical layer' what we can see is that the player is having his attention glued to the phone, TV screen, or any other media of the VR game.

People who are 'too attached' to the physical world is likened to a player who is too attached to his XBOX.
So turning off the xbox, might serve as an 'awakening/recollecting experience' that he/she is more than the avatar inside the xbox game.

Experiencing 'nothing' from it's external physical sensor through sitting in the dark or sitting in the chamber inside the pyramid is like turning off the xbox.
It will easily enable the consciousness to refocus itself and refocus on another layer of the wrapping.
People calls it with many names, astral body, etheric body, spirit body etc..
Or finally break through from all layers of the body/wrapping and make an identification to the consciousness itself, which is unbound by any layer of wrapping/body.

[LeiwoUnion]

Interestingly, the last time I was in a sensory deprivation pod with no sounds I was fortunate enough to find a vague but gripping feeling of pure terror within me. I had been cautiously optimistic about having lost these sensations but there they dwelled. It is truly great to find something clear to work on for a change. The feeling was terrible, though, I felt like suffocating and/or drowning while being paralyzed. I've got glimpses of being stuck underwater in a cave; no way out. I wonder what is the significance of this?

[Quincunx]

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[unity100]

Now, if I'm reading that correctly, as part of the initiation process a person was (willingly?) placed into some kind of sarcophagus deep within the pyramid with the impression that they were not getting out again.  Literally buried alive ...to induce a fear and terror so intense it created a kind of death

No, it's like being so totally alone that nothing other than the creator remains perceptible.