Animal food in diet

[Dtris]

My digestive system has been giving me great trouble these past couple weeks, feel like I need to fast, but am a little afraid to go all in with it. I'd like to go at least a couple days on the lemon juice, cayenne, water, and maple syrup mixture. Does anyone have any experiences with these types of fasts or similar? My main goal is to give my digestive system a break and to challenge my ego.

I do not personally like that concoction for fasting. Main reason is the amount of sugar you are consuming, and only sugar. One of the main benefits of fasting comes from stabilization of blood sugar and giving the pancreas a break from producing insulin, as well as the cells a break from constantly having to process insulin. Blood sugar while used for fuel, is also toxic as any diabetic knows. What is less well known is that insulin is also toxic and eventually damages the cells. For anyone who gets "hangry" or has a emotional reaction to not eating you are likely experiencing metabolic syndrome from your cells becoming insulin resistant. Other people call it pre-diabetes. The cells become insulin resistant as an adaptation to prevent damage from insulin but this causes the pancreas to need to produce more insulin to get the same response at a given blood sugar level. Eventually the pancreas gets worn out and you have full diabetes. The maple syrup and to a lesser extent the lemon juice prevent the pancreas and cells from getting a break from insulin and they don't get the chance to rest along with the other organs like the spleen, gallbladder, intestines etc.

If you are not ready for a full water fast I would recommend trying the Fasting Mimicking Diet. Valter Longo, PhD. wrote a book about it and the many health benefits of fasting called The Longevity Diet. Great book.

Dr. Rhonda Patrick PhD. also has a great website called Found My Fitness and has done a lot of videos on fasting and its health benefits and some protocols.

[zedro]

Totally agree, consuming sugars is not true fasting (edit: in my definition, it would just be caloric reduction), for me carb elimination is the point of fasting, not supplementation to achieve it.

Definite schism here, many claims here are demonstrably false, at least as generalities. Follow your inner guidance, and stop assuming that others who don't fall into a nutritional dogma/ideology is somehow due to negative (fill in the blank).

For myself, the body metamorphosis I am going thru at the cellular level requires alot of energy, and that requires high density energy/protein meat (I eat grass fed beef from free range pastures). One day I will not require such intense nutritional requirements, but I do now. I am 6'2" 180 lbs with less than 10% body fat (I am shredded lol), I do not work out except for the occasional high energy excursion on my dirt bike (this requires an intense amount of energy with high sustained heart rates, and alot of recovery). This is my current paradigm (for a few reasons that are of importance). Meat isn't inherently toxic/cancerous, being out of alignment with your true needs are (which are not universal), and the LOO material conveys this constantly.

[pat19989]

My digestive system has been giving me great trouble these past couple weeks, feel like I need to fast, but am a little afraid to go all in with it. I'd like to go at least a couple days on the lemon juice, cayenne, water, and maple syrup mixture. Does anyone have any experiences with these types of fasts or similar? My main goal is to give my digestive system a break and to challenge my ego.

I have done the lemonaide diet for a couple of weeks at a time few times. I felt fine while on it. I even traveled once while on it to Seattle for a long weekend, and brought containers of the mixture with me. I have to admit that I did have coffee while there, as the the hotel I was in was on a city block, and that block had a coffee cafe on every side of the block wafting delicious coffee smells.

I have done many cleanses as well while eating and fasting. The most important foods to avoid while doing a cleanse are meat and dairy (due to the toxic reaction the human body has to these foods). These cleanses—I can highly recommend Robert Gray and Arise and Shine as I have done both and they both work really well—include herbal supplements to soften trapped materials in the digestive tract, such as sludgy or blocked ducts as well as clearing out the intestines, etc., and psyllium to pull out those materials, and more things to optimize the cleanse such as bentonite clay and probiotics afterwards to replenish flora. 

Another idea from a friend as part of her spiritual practice is to give the digestive tract a rest by water fasting one day each week.

Thank you so much for the resources! I think I will start the lemonade diet this sunday, and see how it goes. I will check my local wellness stores for the supplements you mentioned!

[schubert]

"An inappropriate fast forces your liver to release too many toxins at once. When the toxins flood the bloodstream, the kidneys and bowel can still only eliminate a small portion at a time. The rest floats around in the bloodstream.

This sudden barrage of poison in the bloodstream causes two kinds of problems. First, the toxins can wreak havoc on your pancreas, spleen, nervous system, brain and heart. Second, the spillover puts your liver in a state of alarm, so the organ works on overdrive trying to gather up and seal in the toxins once more. It’s exhausting to your liver, which makes it harder for it to heal later and potentially more reluctant to release toxins in the future. After all, like the child who was pushed off the diving board and now fears jumping off, the liver that was pushed might hold tighter to the toxins in the future (which means the liver itself becomes increasingly toxic).

When Not to Fast

One important thing to know about fasting is that doing it right takes preparation. If your liver is really toxic, it’s not the time to do a fast. If you’ve been eating a standard American diet, a lot of animal products, or a high fat, high protein diet, or if you haven’t been eating many fruits and vegetables, it’s not a good idea to do a fast. Even if you’ve been eating a clean diet for a long time but you’ve inherited poisons or been exposed to a lot of chemicals or pathogens, it’s also best to not jump into a fast right away.

[...]

In all of these cases, instead of doing something intense like a fast, you’re much better off making continual, gradual changes. This way, your liver can safely and continually flush out toxins. With time, you’ll clean things up to the point where you’re ready to consider a fast." - https://www.medicalmedium.com/blog/truth-about-fasting

people want quick solutions. they want to eat poorly and then turn to a quick solution to make things up, but it usually just causes more harm, whether it's a counterproductive fast or turning to toxic pharmaceuticals for health issues, etc.



https://www.medicalmedium.com/blog/criti...bohydrates

if you don't get glucose for an extended period of time, you die. there have been studies on carb restriction where people literally died. the same way governments and many sectors of society are corrupt, so too is the health sector. there is an incredible amount of harmful misinformation. for example, the recommendation for high-protein, high-fat diets.

why bodybuilders, who are supposed to be peak physical fitness, get heart attacks so young: "All that fat intake [high-fat is synonymous with high-protein] leads to higher fat content in the blood, which leads to a lack of oxygen in the blood. Over time, diminished oxygen levels getting to the heart and brain contributes to problems like strokes and heart attacks. Too much fat in the bloodstream also triggers the adrenal glands to shoot off adrenaline as it tries to clean up your blood to protect you." - https://www.medicalmedium.com/blog/truth...genic-diet

[IndigoSalvia]

I stumbled upon this answer from Q'uo re consumption of animal products.

I'm just sharing this link for those who haven't seen, and are interested in, what Q'uo says about the topic. 

https://www.llresearch.org/channeling/2019/1228

[Dtris]

"An inappropriate fast forces your liver to release too many toxins at once. When the toxins flood the bloodstream, the kidneys and bowel can still only eliminate a small portion at a time. The rest floats around in the bloodstream.

This sudden barrage of poison in the bloodstream causes two kinds of problems. First, the toxins can wreak havoc on your pancreas, spleen, nervous system, brain and heart. Second, the spillover puts your liver in a state of alarm, so the organ works on overdrive trying to gather up and seal in the toxins once more. It’s exhausting to your liver, which makes it harder for it to heal later and potentially more reluctant to release toxins in the future. After all, like the child who was pushed off the diving board and now fears jumping off, the liver that was pushed might hold tighter to the toxins in the future (which means the liver itself becomes increasingly toxic).

When Not to Fast

One important thing to know about fasting is that doing it right takes preparation. If your liver is really toxic, it’s not the time to do a fast. If you’ve been eating a standard American diet, a lot of animal products, or a high fat, high protein diet, or if you haven’t been eating many fruits and vegetables, it’s not a good idea to do a fast. Even if you’ve been eating a clean diet for a long time but you’ve inherited poisons or been exposed to a lot of chemicals or pathogens, it’s also best to not jump into a fast right away.

[...]

In all of these cases, instead of doing something intense like a fast, you’re much better off making continual, gradual changes. This way, your liver can safely and continually flush out toxins. With time, you’ll clean things up to the point where you’re ready to consider a fast." - https://www.medicalmedium.com/blog/truth-about-fasting

people want quick solutions. they want to eat poorly and then turn to a quick solution to make things up, but it usually just causes more harm, whether it's a counterproductive fast or turning to toxic pharmaceuticals for health issues, etc.



https://www.medicalmedium.com/blog/criti...bohydrates

if you don't get glucose for an extended period of time, you die. there have been studies on carb restriction where people literally died. the same way governments and many sectors of society are corrupt, so too is the health sector. there is an incredible amount of harmful misinformation. for example, the recommendation for high-protein, high-fat diets.

why bodybuilders, who are supposed to be peak physical fitness, get heart attacks so young: "All that fat intake [high-fat is synonymous with high-protein] leads to higher fat content in the blood, which leads to a lack of oxygen in the blood. Over time, diminished oxygen levels getting to the heart and brain contributes to problems like strokes and heart attacks. Too much fat in the bloodstream also triggers the adrenal glands to shoot off adrenaline as it tries to clean up your blood to protect you." - https://www.medicalmedium.com/blog/truth...genic-diet

Both of the statements I bolded and underlined are outright lies.

No one has died from lack of glucose, the body can make all it needs from gluconeogenesis, just like it does when you are fasting or starving.

Body builders do NOT eat high fat diets. They eat low fat, high protein, high carbohydrate diets. While cutting they increase protein, while bulking they increase carbs and fat.

Fat in the bloodstream is NOT caused by consuming dietary fat. It is caused primarily from the consumption of Sugar, which if it cannot be turned into glycogen is instead turned into tri-glycerides while being transported to fat calls for storage. The largest culprit if High Fructose Corn Syrup, which is 55% fructose and 45% glucose. After consuming 100g of this blood drawn with the next 30 minutes will be cloudy with the amount of fat in the blood. Keep in mind that High Fructose Corn Syrup is not the same type of Fructose as is in fruits. Most fruits have S-Fructose which the body can process much better, L-Fructose is what is found in corn and is not as easily processed in high amounts.

Also to counter the initial point about not fasting if you eat meat and animal products. I just did a 3 day fast, went great. I also did 2 days of very low carb before the fast to prepare for it.

[zedro]

Was grocery shopping with my partner and he asked if I wanted those little roasted chickens, I said no, I don't feel well after eating them. I then clued in (remembering this thread) on how since I've become more energy sensitive, how some foods, especially some meats, do not resonate with me. Anything that is factory farmed, including standard eggs, bloats me instantly. But free range eggs and meat do not, I believe it to be more than just the 'quality', the source does seem to matter. Also animals seem to be more drawn to me these days as well, and small children see something that obviously amuses them lol.

[schubert]

Both of the statements I bolded and underlined are outright lies.

No one has died from lack of glucose, the body can make all it needs from gluconeogenesis, just like it does when you are fasting or starving.

Body builders do NOT eat high fat diets. They eat low fat, high protein, high carbohydrate diets. While cutting they increase protein, while bulking they increase carbs and fat.

Fat in the bloodstream is NOT caused by consuming dietary fat. It is caused primarily from the consumption of Sugar, which if it cannot be turned into glycogen is instead turned into tri-glycerides while being transported to fat calls for storage. The largest culprit if High Fructose Corn Syrup, which is 55% fructose and 45% glucose. After consuming 100g of this blood drawn with the next 30 minutes will be cloudy with the amount of fat in the blood. Keep in mind that High Fructose Corn Syrup is not the same type of Fructose as is in fruits. Most fruits have S-Fructose which the body can process much better, L-Fructose is what is found in corn and is not as easily processed in high amounts.

Also to counter the initial point about not fasting if you eat meat and animal products. I just did a 3 day fast, went great. I also did 2 days of very low carb before the fast to prepare for it.

i don't know what to say to you dtris my friend. anthony william has talked about how there were studies on keto decades ago where participants straight up died. are you claiming that he's lying? what is your basis for saying this is a lie? i realize this information conflicts with conventional understanding, that's the point, because mainstream medical science is not helping the chronically ill. did you read the article on keto that i linked? do have any experience, or have looked into the experiences of others, who have followed medical medium protocols? i raise these questions but to be honest, i'm not interested in further discussion. you have a strong dismissal attitude in your responses where you simply say that what i'm sharing is wrong or a lie and then share your views. you don't seem to read the articles i link or genuinely look into what i'm sharing. this makes for very unfruitful and unpleasant interactions with you. medical medium has several books and a blog if you want to read about what i've presented before you call it a lie.

the entire world is sick with chronic illness. millions of CHILDREN have chronic illnesses (which shouldn't happen). mainstream medical science isn't helping a damn thing in the realm of chronic illness. in fact they make matters worse in many cases, such as toxic pharmaceuticals with heavy metals in them that feed the very viruses that are causing the illnesses, or blood draws significantly weakening people's immune systems and slowly killing them (https://www.medicalmedium.com/blog/blood...-vampirism).

mechanical injury? emergency issue? modern medical science can be a miracle, but chronic illness? it's a joke. it's worse than a joke actually because it's not just a lack of understanding, there are negative forces intent on destroying people's wellbeing. the information you're presenting is coming from mainstream medical academia, part of the negative control structure.

medical medium has brought forth information from a higher source that has healed thousands and millions of people. i've personally experienced health improvements from following the protocols. i've also read many personal accounts of others healing numerous serious chronic illnesses. people can deny it all they want, but if they actually get sick and need help, if they can't take it anymore, the information is here for them.

[Dtris]

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i don't know what to say to you dtris my friend. anthony william has talked about how there were studies on keto decades ago where participants straight up died. are you claiming that he's lying? what is your basis for saying this is a lie? i realize this information conflicts with conventional understanding, that's the point, because mainstream medical science is not helping the chronically ill. did you read the article on keto that i linked? do have any experience, or have looked into the experiences of others, who have followed medical medium protocols? i raise these questions but to be honest, i'm not interested in further discussion. you have a strong dismissal attitude in your responses where you simply say that what i'm sharing is wrong or a lie and then share your views. you don't seem to read the articles i link or genuinely look into what i'm sharing. this makes for very unfruitful and unpleasant interactions with you. medical medium has several books and a blog if you want to read about what i've presented before you call it a lie.

the entire world is sick with chronic illness. millions of CHILDREN have chronic illnesses (which shouldn't happen). mainstream medical science isn't helping a damn thing in the realm of chronic illness. in fact they make matters worse in many cases, such as toxic pharmaceuticals with heavy metals in them that feed the very viruses that are causing the illnesses, or blood draws significantly weakening people's immune systems and slowly killing them (https://www.medicalmedium.com/blog/blood...-vampirism).

mechanical injury? emergency issue? modern medical science can be a miracle, but chronic illness? it's a joke. it's worse than a joke actually because it's not just a lack of understanding, there are negative forces intent on destroying people's wellbeing. the information you're presenting is coming from mainstream medical academia, part of the negative control structure.

medical medium has brought forth information from a higher source that has healed thousands and millions of people. i've personally experienced health improvements from following the protocols. i've also read many personal accounts of others healing numerous serious chronic illnesses. people can deny it all they want, but if they actually get sick and need help, if they can't take it anymore, the information is here for them.

There have been deaths from following low fat, low carb, high protein diets. The native americans called that rabbit sickness, from eating too much lean meat when times were rough. That is not a ketogenic diet, as ketogenic diets are low carb, moderate protein, and high fat. Keto has been used since the 1920s to treat severe epilepsy in children and adults without anyone dying from the diet.

I have been researching and experimenting with my own diet for about 15 years now. I have gone over two years eating less than 40 grams of carbs a day, never was I in any danger of dying. I don't need to read the article to know that something I have lived thru is true. The statement regarding bodybuilding is also an obvious lie to anyone who has friends who does bodybuilding as an amateur or a professional or follows people in those circles. If the medical medium is going to claim that someones diet is going to kill them, he should at least make sure to get their diet correct.

I am very careful about making absolute statements. When I do I am 100% confident in those assertions.

What is funny is that when I started low carb and keto dieting, after trying vegetarianism, everyone said I would die from no carbs, that it was quack science, and that it was obviously a scam made to sell books and videos. Now you are calling it mainstream science. I don't know how old you are or if you are old enough to remember when anyone who did low carb was a crackpot. The science took a long time to catch up with the experimenters who did the diet because it works for what it claims to do.

I agree with you completely on chronic disease and modern medicine. The current system is corrupt and makes people sick. However I also do not throw the baby out with the bath water. There is a lot of good research being done on diet which is almost completely ignored by the government, FDA, dieticians, nutritionists, and mainstream doctors.

My own research into health and diet has led me to a different conclusion than medical medium. I believe that meat is necessary for optimum health. When it comes to this subject, I prefer my own discernment over someone else's, I don't care if they are a medium, doctor, dietician, or nutritionist, or even a higher density being.

[IndigoSalvia]

When we decide how best to nourish our 3D physical bodies, each of us are consciously exploring information and processing catalyst. Our bodies each have unique needs, and we each have unique catalyst. In the end, though, we are all portions of one great creation, an infinite organism.

I see each of us humans (along with the 1D and 2D beings, and the planet we inhabit as well) as cells within the body of the one/infinite creation. What resonates with one of us does not necessarily resonate with another of us. And that is the great diversity, infinite diversity of which we are a part.

Q'uo: "However, we would remind each third-density being that it is quite frequently accomplished, shall we say, that the infringement upon the free will of others is put forth or done in many and various ways on a daily basis, so that there is the need for each third-density entity to balance the catalyst of such infringement upon the free will of other entities, be they second or third-density entities."

This quote (excerpted from the link I shared above) humbles, inspires and raises my awareness. 

I see, especially on this forum, an awareness and consciousness about how we choose to nourish our Body (the body of the one/infinite creation) and our individual bodies, and indeed, how we choose to move in relation to others on this planet. 

The consciousness and great care with which we make our choices inspires and touches me, regardless of what each chooses.

[zedro]

Also don't forget, a Keto diet is nothing more than a winter hibernation cycle diet, put on a ton of weight in the warm seasons (bears love those carby berries) and then when carbs go to zero in the winter (bears aren't good at canning due to lack of opposable thumbs), their body goes into ketosis to convert their own body fat.

I went keto then to a fast, I lost all my body fat, reset my hormonal system (I was suffering from low testosterone), and also excised some parasitic energies that were plaguing me. This was under 'internal guidance', it was quite the show seeing the "energies" leaving me.

I don't need to do keto now, I'm an Ectomorph, and lately need about twice the caloric intake due to cellular upgrades, yet I do not put on weight. I have experienced a complete body transformation. Meat is required, I simply cannot get the caloric intake from bioavailable protein from veggies right now. My internal guidance says it will happen one day, but now I need to be doing what I'm doing.

It's weird that people like to project their narrow one size fits all approach onto people, completely ignoring one's own experiences. I'm healthier than I've ever been, the opposite of being a toxic bag of cancer like some want me to believe.

You can be vegan and still have an awful diet, most I see eat processed junk. Stick to the peripheral grocery aisles.

[Diana]

You can be vegan and still have an awful diet, most I see eat processed junk.

I'm really tired of people saying this. 

I don't know very many vegans myself. How many do you know? Literally all of the vegans I know are also concerned with healthy food aside from the compassionate considerations of torturing and slaughtering animals for food.

I accept others' choices. There is just more to it than self. There are other-selves and the planet. Even Ra talks about the law of responsibility—does anyone think that is just about the self?

[zedro]

You can be vegan and still have an awful diet, most I see eat processed junk.

I'm really tired of people saying this. 

I don't know very many vegans myself. How many do you know? Literally all of the vegans I know are also concerned with healthy food aside from the compassionate considerations of torturing and slaughtering animals for food.

I accept others' choices. There is just more to it than self. There are other-selves and the planet. Even Ra talks about the law of responsibility—does anyone think that is just about the self?

I didn't make a generalization, it was just a statement from personal observation that it doesn't necessarily equate to a healthy lifestyle when not applied for holistic reasons.

My comment comes from both the commercialization of veganism (Beyond Meat is a great example, and I'm starting to see a ton of vegan marketing on junk food using the label to embark on the trend), and I actually do know a few directly and indirectly, and they are not eating healthy but certainly enjoy being virtuous (although one friend in particular has never been able to eat meat, both for physical and conscientious reasons). Again, I'm speaking about a segment, not a generalization, very different terms. 

As far as your last comment, animals here are part of us and we reflect who they are as they are the 2d 'seeds' of the past, not the other way around (although there is most certainly a feedback loop between them via the archetypal matrix, but we essentially evolved from their energies and reflect that in a myriad of ways, no matter how one demonizes most humans here, we unfortunately are guided by propaganda from negative power structures, ie 3rd/ 5th ray blockages). And they can certainly render service, their 2d consciousness is tied to the logos as we are, and they did render important service in the past and continue to do so now. Just because your ideology lacks this acceptance does not change that reality/guidance for some people. The situation is temporary but necessary for a multitude of reasons, just not for nutrition and utility.

Here is an excerpt from from Jamie Sands medicine cards: 

[schubert]

There have been deaths from following low fat, low carb, high protein diets. The native americans called that rabbit sickness, from eating too much lean meat when times were rough. That is not a ketogenic diet, as ketogenic diets are low carb, moderate protein, and high fat. Keto has been used since the 1920s to treat severe epilepsy in children and adults without anyone dying from the diet.

I have been researching and experimenting with my own diet for about 15 years now. I have gone over two years eating less than 40 grams of carbs a day, never was I in any danger of dying. I don't need to read the article to know that something I have lived thru is true. The statement regarding bodybuilding is also an obvious lie to anyone who has friends who does bodybuilding as an amateur or a professional or follows people in those circles. If the medical medium is going to claim that someones diet is going to kill them, he should at least make sure to get their diet correct.

I am very careful about making absolute statements. When I do I am 100% confident in those assertions.

What is funny is that when I started low carb and keto dieting, after trying vegetarianism, everyone said I would die from no carbs, that it was quack science, and that it was obviously a scam made to sell books and videos. Now you are calling it mainstream science. I don't know how old you are or if you are old enough to remember when anyone who did low carb was a crackpot. The science took a long time to catch up with the experimenters who did the diet because it works for what it claims to do.

I agree with you completely on chronic disease and modern medicine. The current system is corrupt and makes people sick. However I also do not throw the baby out with the bath water. There is a lot of good research being done on diet which is almost completely ignored by the government, FDA, dieticians, nutritionists, and mainstream doctors.

My own research into health and diet has led me to a different conclusion than medical medium. I believe that meat is necessary for optimum health. When it comes to this subject, I prefer my own discernment over someone else's, I don't care if they are a medium, doctor, dietician, or nutritionist, or even a higher density being.

if you read the article you would see where you're misinformed. "The entire premise of the keto diet is incorrect to begin with. The diet involves restricting carbohydrate intake while focusing on high protein and fat intake. The theory is that this way of eating causes your body to go into a metabolic state called ketosis, where you efficiently burn fat as an energy source for your body and brain.

The reality is, it’s not possible for your body to go into ketosis if you’re eating any amount or form of sugar whatsoever, including the natural sugars found in most foods. That means anyone eating even a tiny bit of nuts, seeds, avocado, cheese, butter, tomato, or green juices is taking in natural sugar [he's also mentioned how meat contains natural sugar in the form of blood sugar]. Unless someone is eating only bacon three times a day (in which case they’d feel terrible and cause even more damage for themselves down the road), they’re not entering ketosis." https://www.medicalmedium.com/blog/truth...genic-diet

true keto kills. the keto diet we have today is not true keto as it contains a certain amount of sugar, such as in the foods listed above. the article talks about why some people experience temporary health benefits from following the modern keto diet (because they cut out processed food).

the reason i mentioned bodybuilders is because i happened to just recently see news of a famous bodybuilder dying of a heart attack (https://www.the-sun.com/sport/3446217/he...on-sports/). medical medium teaches about what leads to heart attacks (which is high fat intake, and eating high amounts of animal protein (i.e. to build muscle) means you're also intaking high amounts of fat. conventional understanding can be wrong about basic fundamentals like this.) 

you say you're 100% confident, and i understand that you have plenty of reasons for believing what you do, and i don't think you're trying to be misleading at all, but you're being presented with an alternative viewpoint, with sources and articles linked, yet claiming that it's false without reading it. that's just bad faith and fallacious. 

i'm not trying to convince you of anything btw. i only felt motivated to respond because you directly attacked what i shared and called it an outright lie. this can turn off others from this information since this is a public forum, and when i have experienced and seen this information bringing deep healing to people, that bothers me. this is why i respond.

i agree that there's good research and info out there, but there's also a lot of bad. also, i've mentioned it in previous discussions, but medical medium is not against eating meat.

edit: i said i'm only responding because it bothers me how you invalidate what i share without giving it an honest look, but instead of just addressing that, i addressed more points so if i'm being honest with myself i'm responding for more reasons than that.

[schubert]

Was grocery shopping with my partner and he asked if I wanted those little roasted chickens, I said no, I don't feel well after eating them. I then clued in (remembering this thread) on how since I've become more energy sensitive, how some foods, especially some meats, do not resonate with me. Anything that is factory farmed, including standard eggs, bloats me instantly. But free range eggs and meat do not, I believe it to be more than just the 'quality', the source does seem to matter. Also animals seem to be more drawn to me these days as well, and small children see something that obviously amuses them lol.

if you're curious, feel free to read on because there's good reason for this! meat from factory farmed animals contains fear, pain, and death 'codes'/energy which then enters you when you consume it. it can lead to someone feeling unwell on an energetic level (chaos, anxiety, fear, etc). some people are more sensitive than others and will overtly notice it more, but if affects everyone. 

this is all purposeful and by design. consuming this death/fear energy and taking on this 'karma' prevents ascension. factory farming is done on a mass scale and pushed onto the population in order to prevent ascension as much as possible (consider the absolute spam of fast food ads). the animals involved are caught in a reincarnational death cycle in order to propagate this. it's truly hellish.

meat from ethically raised animals is WAY better. eating a diet high in plants gives you positive, peaceful energy which lends to the individual feeling those energies. i read about these things in the book 'lessons from a living lemuria' https://www.amazon.com/dp/B084FJRZ5H/ref...TF8&btkr=1

[siyasood]

Ra's info may be applicable to the rest of us humans: plant-based, and to the extent necessary for the individual MBS complex, the least distorted complex protein. And then if deemed necessary, "fresh and best quality possible" animal proteins.  

By its very nature, if/when we consume an animal protein, slaughter of a 2D animal is a given. I know of no way in this 3D illusion to consume animal meat that does not involve killing the animal ... against its will. So it seems to be an infringement upon their free will. 

I kill and consume plants (which are 2D beings) for sustenance of my 3D body, etc. While my 3D brain perceives a seeming difference between killing an animal and a plant, is there a difference in terms of Law of One?  

Do we, as 3D beings, have any "rights" over lower-density life forms (e.g., disregard their free will) under Law of One? Does the Law of Free Will apply to us 3D beings? Or, when does the L of FW start applying? 

Has anyone found any Q'uo information on this topic? 

I don't know of any Q'uo quotes on eating animals, but I would imagine anything there would have a greater chance of being influenced by the channeler since it's conscious channeling.

I do not think humans have any rights at all over other beings. I do think there is at least inference in just the simple phrase "all is one." If all is one, how could one entity have dominion over or rights over another entity? Infringing upon the free will of another, according to the LOO material, is the left-hand path (STS). 

Regarding another inference, on the right-hand path, STO, being of service to others would include in my opinion doing the least harm to others. It isn't possible to traverse 3D as an organic being and not consume food in order to survive. Since plants have evolved to be consumed in order to propagate, they have no central nervous system, they can still live if their fruit is taken, they can still survive even when cut down, etc., simple logic will deduce that eating plants causes less harm than eating animals. 

In addition, Ra speaks of higher density beings consuming light for sustenance. Since plants photosynthesize, they are closer to consuming light than dead animals. So it seems to me eating a plant-based diet is a step forward in evolution.

43.24 ▶ Questioner: I am simply trying to trace the, you might say, the evolution of this catalyst that then, as you say, changes in fifth density. I might as well complete this and ask if there is any ingestion of food in sixth density?

Ra: I am Ra. This is correct. However, the nature of this food is that of light and is impossible to describe to you in any meaningful way as regards the thrust of your query.

This was so beautifully explained, Diana. Thank you.

[zedro]

Was grocery shopping with my partner and he asked if I wanted those little roasted chickens, I said no, I don't feel well after eating them. I then clued in (remembering this thread) on how since I've become more energy sensitive, how some foods, especially some meats, do not resonate with me. Anything that is factory farmed, including standard eggs, bloats me instantly. But free range eggs and meat do not, I believe it to be more than just the 'quality', the source does seem to matter. Also animals seem to be more drawn to me these days as well, and small children see something that obviously amuses them lol.

if you're curious, feel free to read on because there's good reason for this! meat from factory farmed animals contains fear, pain, and death 'codes'/energy which then enters you when you consume it. it can lead to someone feeling unwell on an energetic level (chaos, anxiety, fear, etc). some people are more sensitive than others and will overtly notice it more, but if affects everyone. 

Yes, I've written about this in the past, and we are basically in a "frequency war". What I tell the normies about food is basically unhealthy animals = unhealthy food.

[Diana]

Was grocery shopping with my partner and he asked if I wanted those little roasted chickens, I said no, I don't feel well after eating them. I then clued in (remembering this thread) on how since I've become more energy sensitive, how some foods, especially some meats, do not resonate with me. Anything that is factory farmed, including standard eggs, bloats me instantly. But free range eggs and meat do not, I believe it to be more than just the 'quality', the source does seem to matter.

I have found this to be true, that the more you clean up your diet—and I refer not just to what is physiological—the more sensitive you become to anything your body (or spirit) perceives as not ideal. 

Also animals seem to be more drawn to me these days as well, and small children see something that obviously amuses them lol.

I concur with this, and I am a good example. The deer that come to my property are definitely more comfortable with me and always have been, than others who consume animal products. I have thought that it may have something to do with smell, but I agree that it is energetic in nature. I think they know I am not a predator. 

Also, and including the idea of connecting with children, I think animals and children can sense when an individual has less in the way of separating barriers (adult, child; animal, human). When the walls come down and all life is embraced as important and not just to be used or judged in typical human ways, connections become more accessible and magical.

[llseeker]

Starvation promotes reproductive activity to perpetuate survival through future regenerations. This is a fundamental principle applicable to all species of life. As you can see, the birth rate in rich countries is general much lower than poor countries.

[Bosphorus1982]

In Oahspe, it says "Selfish behavior, low thoughts, or eating animal derived food will place a newborn angel in the lowest level, being on the earth."
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oahspe:_A_New_Bible) 
Similar saying is in other religions as well.

Ra's comment about diet is:
"The vegetables, the
fruits, the grains, and to the extent necessary for the individual
metabolism, the animal products. These are those substances showing
respect for the self.

"
(40.14)

Ra shows positive attitude towards animal products.
And Ra mentioned Oahspe is transmitted from Confederation (14.28). 
But the two opinions are different. Any thoughts?

========= update 10/1 =========
Ra's above comment is for Carla only, not for general. I didn't find more of Ra's comments about animal food so far. If find later, will share.

If you don't have the correct mindset, which allows to be freed of the necessity; until you ascend to the 4th, you are bound to animal products. Since human body needs animal protein in order to work properly.

[Diana]

Since human body needs animal protein in order work properly.

This is simply not true.

[IndigoSalvia]

Since human body needs animal protein in order work properly.

This is simply not true.

As each of us and our paths are unique, the same may be true for one's dietary needs. I can not speculate as to what each of our unique bodies need. What if it's a pre-incarnative choice, or in some way related to one's spiritual journey? 

My body had a bad reaction to animal products when I was a child. Vegetarian wasn't even a word I had heard of at the time. Finally, in high school, I put the pieces together for myself and started to eliminate meat. I've been a vegetarian/vegan for decades now. And, this wonderful body o' mine grew a whole new life (a baby  ) on a vegan diet. He's now almost a foot taller than me. Yikes!

[flofrog]

Like a really tall asparagus IS, ?

[Diana]

Since human body needs animal protein in order work properly.

This is simply not true.

As each of us and our paths are unique, the same may be true for one's dietary needs. I can not speculate as to what each of our unique bodies need. What if it's a pre-incarnative choice, or in some way related to one's spiritual journey? 

My body had a bad reaction to animal products when I was a child. Vegetarian wasn't even a word I had heard of at the time. Finally, in high school, I put the pieces together for myself and started to eliminate meat. I've been a vegetarian/vegan for decades now. And, this wonderful body o' mine grew a whole new life (a baby  ) on a vegan diet. He's now almost a foot taller than me. Yikes!

That's awesome.

What I meant by that statement was more just the physiological science behind supplying the physical body with what it needs nutritionally, with no reference to past lives etc. There is so much addiction and habit and propaganda (from the meat and dairy associations and who knows what) that the actual science and truth are buried under false and outdated ideas.

It certainly is a personal choice, as everything is. It's just that the mainstream thinking on this issue is very twisted and propelled by profit and control. One's choice could include disassociating with mainstream propaganda and habit/addiction, and cleared of that obfuscating input, make a true connection to one's body and then decide.

[Patrick]

Interesting opinion from our friend on that subject.



It's interesting to acknowledge the difference between our feeling of being energetic and our feeling of fullness. Learning to function properly on an empty stomach. Maybe even function better in that state.

[omcasey]

My father put me on my first diet when I was 6 years old. My mom tells people I came straight out of the womb eating ( lol ). In my baby book, under "favorite foods" it simply says "EVERYTHING". Food, and.....not just eating, but also feeding people has been a major theme in my life experience. In my almost 60 years, this is what I have learned.

1) We are all Masters. Learning how to live in a ( 3D ) physical body. - on a ( 3D ) physical planet.
2) Our world at present is highly toxic. The air, the water, the soil, the food, all to some degree depleted and toxic.
3) Those who are aware are doing their best to grow and sustain their health, and the health of the planet. This focus and effort does have an effect.
4) Focus is more beneficially placed on process/progress not perfection. This is important to individual as well as collective success. 
5) There is no right or wrong. There will always be those on the wave just behind us as well as those ahead.
6) Food choices will vary and be dependent upon a wide range things, including where one is in the growth process, and whether liberation is planned within the lifetime.
7) Our state of health and well-being is more important than our diet.....than what we do and do not eat.
8) While alive, maintaining a body with the capacity to digest all possible food sources is superior to maintaining any one particular diet. ( the only constant is change ).
9) The flora and fauna of the body, what we now call "the microbiome" in large part is what dictates the health of the physical system.
10) A diverse microbiome, needed for robust health includes a wide range of "good" and "bad" bacteria, viruses, fungus, etc..
11) Individual bodies, microbiomes, are the microcosm of the macrocosm. Just as our world thrives in diversity, so too does our personal system.

Our job is to keep the system alive and well. 
This requires only one thing. - achieving a state of equanimity, harmonious balance.

At present, for me, this means bringing into my system:

1) Liquid, semi-solid and solid food sources.
2) Raw and cooked foods.
3) A correct balance of alkaline and acid ash forming foods.
4) High fluid foods. *this means a diet of foods which contain minimally 45% of my daily required fluid.
5) Bitters and bitter herbs. *currently missing from contemporary diets **these keep the production of bile flowing, necessary for digestion and assimilation.
6) New foods, foods I otherwise do not normally consume, or possibly have never consumed.
7) Ferments. Foods I have fermented myself. Generally herbs/teas and vegetables.
8) A wide variety of foods.

My body at present does not require meat and/or meat by-products. As a child of the 60s I was raised on them, but in my early 40s these fell out of my diet without me even realizing. It was years before I realized. At the time I was having fun at California farmer's markets, entering the juicing and raw food craze. Learning what that was all about, experiencing it first hand through my system. As well as more formally integrating with my critical organs and glandular systems, understanding I was at the threshold of impending detoxification processes. This does NOT make me vegan, or even vegetarian, or anything else for that matter. It makes me someone who is able to see that there are a wide range of processes we go through as a living being, and that there are ways of eating that support ( and/or do not support ) these processes. I never want my body to lose its ability to process/digest meats, or fiber of any kind for that matter. This said, 98% of what is sold as meat, even in the best of markets is not what I would consider ever bringing into myself. When I have the opportunity for fresh game, when there is true WILD caught salmon, or eggs straight from my neighbor's chickens - these I will periodically combine with. It doesn't amount to much, but it keeps my body in a state of active remembering - strong, working, and in the game.

What I do not eat. - foods that are not foods but pure toxins:

1) White refined anything: sugar, salt, flour ( bread, crackers.. ), rice, pasta, etc..
2) Conventional anything, GMOs, glyphosate..
3) Fast food.

For the most part, 99.9% of the time,

I eat food I prepare myself.


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Who wants to throw themselves into the fire? Show me your fridge.

Let's not just talk. Let's really dive in.


Casey

[Diana]

Who wants to throw themselves into the fire? Show me your fridge.

Let's not just talk. Let's really dive in.

Casey

It won't do much good for me to show you my fridge because I share it with another person, who eats things I do not. But here are some notes on what I consume:

1. Like you, 99% of the food I eat I prepare myself. I made this commitment many years ago for a variety of reasons: that way I know exactly what I am eating; the energy or intention I put into my food is my own and not a random person's; it enables me to stop working and center myself in quietude from the daily grind (I work at home); it honors my body in a way that is more immersive and focused.
   
2. I endeavor to eat lowest on the food chain and closest to light (photosynthesis).
   
3. Most of what I consume is in a whole-food state and organic whenever possible.  
   
4. I endeavor to eat foods that cause the least amount of harm to other life forms, people, and the planet.
   
5. I trust my body's ability to manufacture what is required for health, and I endeavor to supply the building blocks for this. This includes supplementation such as minerals which are depleted in the soil. I also discover now and then something that really works for me such as L-Lysine and Bilberry (for my eyes). In times of stress I may take more B, or get it from nutritional yeast. I take a combo of spirulina and chlorella every day.
   
6. I eat a combination of raw and cooked foods. I endeavor to eat raw foods every day. I have in the past been a raw-fooder but my schedule at present just doesn't allow for the time that takes (in my case). I plan on moving closer to that when I can. When I eat cooked foods I take a papaya enzyme to assist in digestion, since cooking kills the naturally occurring enzymes.
   
7. When I occasionally consume something like vegan ice cream, I don't worry about it. I just enjoy and trust my body to process it, which is reasonable since I am not constantly consuming processed foods that overwhelm the system.
   
8. As for the bitter herbs, I make a delicious tea with dandelion, burdock root, and milk thistle (not bitter, but sweet, and excellent for the liver).
   
9. Honoring my body with good food includes promoting circulation and movement, stretching, going outside at least once per day to look into the distance, breath fresh air, and notice the natural world.