Is there a need for death in fourth density?

[Infinite]

However, it seems to me that Ra often uses the Law of Confusion and that the messages need to be interpreted.

I don't believe that. Ra was always clear in his answers, there was no kind of interpretive game. Only in one or the other answer did they leave it to the questioner to reflect. Ra's communication guidelines were clear: speak everything at the limit of language and retain only that information that would be harmful to free will.

My interpretation is that death is only necessary up to third density. Why? Because in those lower densities there is the experience of separation. Without separation death would mean that it's still the same one reality so death becomes kind of unnecessary in higher densities.

I think we can define death as the infeasibility of a physical vehicle that inhabits a continuous space/time. As according to Ra there is some kind of polarized system s/t and t/s up to the sixth density, death is a possibility to some extent of the sixth density. However, I agree with you that death only carries some traumatic load up to the third density. Above our current density there is no veil of forgetting and time/space is as noticeable as space/time. Under these conditions, death should be just like changing clothes.

Not only that. I also believe that we can move into fourth density without having to physically die first. Again, it's because all reality is one. So fourth density is simply about removing the veil of separation and making matter and energy vibrate on a higher frequency with more density of information on earth and in our physical bodies.

Well, densities can be defined as vibrational spectra. It seems to me that a type of vehicle more filled with light is needed to live in the conditions of the fourth density. However, I wonder if the entities that reached the highest possible point in 3D could somehow "project" themselves to the fourth density (just as we projected onto the astral plane). My theory is that it's necessary to have a body made of the same true color of density in which one wishes to live.

So one guess I have is that 90,000 years means the approximate time for fourth density to reach fifth density, without the need for any physical death of the body.

Ra spoke of the duration of a fourth density cycle that is around millions of years and in the material it's quite clear that the only short density is the third.

[flofrog]

Well, densities can be defined as vibrational spectra. It seems to me that a type of vehicle more filled with light is needed to live in the conditions of the fourth density. However, I wonder if the entities that reached the highest possible point in 3D could somehow "project" themselves to the fourth density (just as we projected onto the astral plane). My theory is that it's necessary to have a body made of the same true color of density in which one wishes to live.

This is also how I feel, Infinite.
Even if at some point we would become able to ‘project’ into fourth density, I have a feeling that still death in 3D is necessary so we can review in t/s the very last events we experienced in third. It is a privilege to incarnate in third, even if it is so painful at times ... that reviewing and assessing every detail of it is also a privilege for growth, in my humble opinion

[Anders]

So one guess I have is that 90,000 years means the approximate time for fourth density to reach fifth density, without the need for any physical death of the body.

Ra spoke of the duration of a fourth density cycle that is around millions of years and in the material it's quite clear that the only short density is the third.

I found this:

"Questioner: How long is a cycle of experience in fourth density in our years?

Ra: The cycle of experience is approximately 30 million of your years if the entities are not capable of being harvested sooner. There is in this density a harvest which is completely the function of the readiness of the social memory complex. It is not structured as is your own, for it deals with a more transparent distortion of the One Infinite Creator." - Law of One 43.13

I'm just guessing here, but I still suspect that Ra used the Law of Confusion to avoid stating measurements of time directly. If the structure of the SMC is more transparent then it will be harvested as soon as it can, meaning much sooner than 30 million years. 90,000 years in fourth density seems more reasonable to me than 30 million years.

[Patrick]

So one guess I have is that 90,000 years means the approximate time for fourth density to reach fifth density, without the need for any physical death of the body.

Ra spoke of the duration of a fourth density cycle that is around millions of years and in the material it's quite clear that the only short density is the third.

I found this:

"Questioner: How long is a cycle of experience in fourth density in our years?

Ra: The cycle of experience is approximately 30 million of your years if the entities are not capable of being harvested sooner. There is in this density a harvest which is completely the function of the readiness of the social memory complex. It is not structured as is your own, for it deals with a more transparent distortion of the One Infinite Creator." - Law of One 43.13

I'm just guessing here, but I still suspect that Ra used the Law of Confusion to avoid stating measurements of time directly. If the structure of the SMC is more transparent then it will be harvested as soon as it can, meaning much sooner than 30 million years. 90,000 years in fourth density seems more reasonable to me than 30 million years.

In 3d the incarnation length should be 900 years, but is currently 90 years on this planet because the experience is too harsh. While the full 3d cycle is 75000 years.

In 4d the incarnation length is 90000 years. While the full 4d cycle is 30 million years.

In both environments, we have many incarnations during a cycle.

But these measure of time regarding 4d are meaningless because the experience of time is not the same as what we experience here in veiled 3d. One incarnation in 4d will not feel like living as a human for 90000 years. It's not the same type of experience.

[AnthroHeart]

So one guess I have is that 90,000 years means the approximate time for fourth density to reach fifth density, without the need for any physical death of the body.

Ra spoke of the duration of a fourth density cycle that is around millions of years and in the material it's quite clear that the only short density is the third.

I found this:

"Questioner: How long is a cycle of experience in fourth density in our years?

Ra: The cycle of experience is approximately 30 million of your years if the entities are not capable of being harvested sooner. There is in this density a harvest which is completely the function of the readiness of the social memory complex. It is not structured as is your own, for it deals with a more transparent distortion of the One Infinite Creator." - Law of One 43.13

I'm just guessing here, but I still suspect that Ra used the Law of Confusion to avoid stating measurements of time directly. If the structure of the SMC is more transparent then it will be harvested as soon as it can, meaning much sooner than 30 million years. 90,000 years in fourth density seems more reasonable to me than 30 million years.

In 3d the incarnation length should be 900 years, but is currently 90 years on this planet because the experience is too harsh. While the full 3d cycle is 75000 years.

In 4d the incarnation length is 90000 years. While the full 4d cycle is 30 million years.

In both environments, we have many incarnations during a cycle.

But these measure of time regarding 4d are meaningless because the experience of time is not the same as what we experience here in veiled 3d. One incarnation in 4d will not feel like living as a human for 90000 years. It's not the same type of experience.

Patrick, would 90,000 years in 4D feel like 90,000 years, or longer?

[Anders]

If it's possible to move directly to fourth density, how will that work in practice? In my view that's simple! The higher densities already exist around us and within us ("the kingdom of God is within you"), and it's just that in third density there is a veil blocking the higher densities. So our biological bodies will start to change, similar to some New Age teachings, and the result is a transformation from a body of flesh to a fourth density body.

And in the beginning the fourth density body will look the same as our third density body, but then we can start to change the body, only a little at first and then as we teach/learn more we can access more capabilities, even things like levitation ("meeting Christ in the clouds" as it says in the Bible).

[Ohr Ein Sof]

43.9 Questioner: In the next density, or the… in the fourth density, is the catalyst of physical pain used as a mechanism for experiential balancing?

Ra: I am Ra. The use of physical pain is minimal, having only to do with the end of the fourth-density incarnation. This physical pain would not be considered severe enough to treat, shall we say, in third density. The catalysts of mental and spiritual pain are used in fourth density.

I seem to remember reading that the reason you die in fourth density is mostly because you are becoming tired of that incarnation.

****The body becomes tired, not the entity but the body complex

[Ohr Ein Sof]

If it's possible to move directly to fourth density, how will that work in practice? In my view that's simple! The higher densities already exist around us and within us ("the kingdom of God is within you"), and it's just that in third density there is a veil blocking the higher densities. So our biological bodies will start to change, similar to some New Age teachings, and the result is a transformation from a body of flesh to a fourth density body.

And in the beginning the fourth density body will look the same as our third density body, but then we can start to change the body, only a little at first and then as we teach/learn more we can access more capabilities, even things like levitation ("meeting Christ in the clouds" as it says in the Bible).

So, your idea is that we can transform these dense, sick, dying bodies into something that suddenly can hold 4th density Light? Idk. Even the most enlightened Masters have died or let go of this vehicle to be in a more appropriate vehicle that corresponds to the density they reside.
Personally, there is no amount of meditation that will repair this body and even if there were I no longer trust it for travel like the first car I had when I was 18 years old; no amount repairs to it would I feel it was safe for long distant travels.

[Patrick]

In 3d the incarnation length should be 900 years, but is currently 90 years on this planet because the experience is too harsh. While the full 3d cycle is 75000 years.

In 4d the incarnation length is 90000 years. While the full 4d cycle is 30 million years.

In both environments, we have many incarnations during a cycle.

But these measure of time regarding 4d are meaningless because the experience of time is not the same as what we experience here in veiled 3d. One incarnation in 4d will not feel like living as a human for 90000 years. It's not the same type of experience.

Patrick, would 90,000 years in 4D feel like 90,000 years, or longer?

This is not easily answered. But we can attempt it.

https://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/i..._0226.aspx

...This 75,000 year cycle may seem like a great span of time to you who live a mere two score, three score, four score or so forth, and then you are no longer a part of this illusion until, once again, you choose to incarnate back into it. However, when you compare the 75,000 years with the length of time, as you measure it, of succeeding densities, the next being 30,000,000, the following 50,000,000, the following 75,000,000 years, your density is but an eyeblink in time. It is but the briefest of moments in which to consider the choice that must be made. This choice is that which has been attempted by many of the population upon this planet throughout their incarnational histories upon other third-density planets where they were not successful in making this choice, but found the need to incarnate upon this Earth plane in order to, once again, attempt this grand adventure, this grand choice-making, to set the foundation for all future work that they shall do in their consciousness...

https://llresearch.org/transcripts/issue..._1130.aspx

...The third-density chemical body can for limited amounts of time, according to the unique vibration of an entity, exist for some portion of your time and experience within fourth-density space/time. Consequently, your physical bodies shall not all be removed in a trice, for harvest is a process rather than an event. Barring the use by your peoples of hostilities which could indeed destroy a large portion of your planet’s entities’ bodies, your incarnations and your children’s incarnations shall move to their conclusion in a physical sense, although you have already seen and will continue to see evidence of the difficulties which physical bodies have to finer vibrations, for the density which with your third-density eyes you cannot see yet impinges upon you more and more and represents an unseen but very real source of light which may indeed be too full of life energy for portions of your physical vehicle and of those about you.

We move now to discussion of harvest, a subject more nearly central, we feel, to that which may be of service to those who may listen to us.

How do you prepare to be, my friends? Is there any preparation for being? Perhaps you can see that there is indeed no preparation possible, for you are being at all times. We are here to inspire you not to be, but to take yourselves seriously as beings, in order that you may be more and more conscious of the value of your basic vibratory patterns, for it is your consciousness which shall be harvested, the consciousness that has striven and learned and borne fruit, the fruit of adoration and service and giving to the Creator and to the face of the Creator in all that there is.

The concept of an instantaneous harvest has not been helpful, we have observed, and we would discourage each from contemplating harvest as an event, for although we who are not within your illusion see your harvest as what seems to us to be, shall we say in your terms, an afternoon’s excitement, a cause for rejoicing that is all too short, yet we cannot translate our time to yours, for your time is that of planets revolving about a sun, and it is not the time of the timeless One which dwells in infinity and moves in light. Your time is a separator out of time, a unifier. How greatly you desire to know when you should be ready, when you should be prepared, and yet we say to you, it is this moment that you must be prepared and that you must be ready, and if you be not ready now, then you must work now, pray now, meditate now, surrender now and ask now to be channels for the love and the light of the one original Thought of love which is the Creator...

We are not able to suggest these things to you, for when one moves from dimension to dimension, when one describes events that are indeed processes, when one speaks from time to time, the translation is at best approximate and fuzzy and unsatisfactory.

https://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/i..._0412.aspx

You wish information this morning on the concept and the nature of time/space. Time/space is that which surrounds you at all times and in all spaces, shall we say. In your present illusion you are consciously aware of space/time and it is that in which you conduct your daily activities. It is that with which you are most familiar. Time/space permeates all of space/time and you move within this as well, although you do not have as great a degree of awareness of this.

You are aware that space/time is the home, shall we say, of the illusion of incarnation and that when an entity is not conscious of being within the incarnational illusion, whether between incarnations beyond the process of physical incarnation or in some other way aware of the dimensions of space/time—whether in the dreaming state or other means of alterations of consciousness—then the field of time/space is that of which the entity has primary awareness.

Time/space is that realm within which we are able to be with you at all times, that we may inhabit space/time as well. The movements which are possible to make in time/space are variable as are those in space/time and perhaps more widely variable because of the greater divergence of types of entities that inhabit time/space. There are entities of more differing densities that inhabit these realms and their abilities to move vary according to their individual development. [This] is also true of space/time which in your current illusion is inhabited by the first, second, third and beginning of fourth-density entities. And you may see the divergence of the abilities to move in, for example, the rock entity which moves very slowly in space as compared to the third-density entity which moves about in space seemingly at will, limited only by such physical laws as the entity is aware of.

There are similar laws governing the fields of time/space and similar divergences in the abilities of varying entities to move therein. We ourselves have developed abilities to move much more freely, shall we say, than the time/space counterpart of the walking entities of which you are familiar. Each entity that has the appearance of solidity in your illusion also has the time/space counterpart which exists in a superimposed, shall we say, manner. This time/space counterpart is discernible to some of your entities who have developed the capacity for this type of perception.

The time/space counterpart is that which is worked with very often by those with healing abilities. Each here is aware of such instances. Thus, the separation between time/space and space/time is not such a clear-cut distinction as you may have thought, although it is possible to move purely in the realms of time/space without being a part of space/time. It is not possible to be in space/time without also being part of time/space or the time/space realm containing, shall we say, those of space/time.

[Anders]

If it's possible to move directly to fourth density, how will that work in practice? In my view that's simple! The higher densities already exist around us and within us ("the kingdom of God is within you"), and it's just that in third density there is a veil blocking the higher densities. So our biological bodies will start to change, similar to some New Age teachings, and the result is a transformation from a body of flesh to a fourth density body.

And in the beginning the fourth density body will look the same as our third density body, but then we can start to change the body, only a little at first and then as we teach/learn more we can access more capabilities, even things like levitation ("meeting Christ in the clouds" as it says in the Bible).

So, your idea is that we can transform these dense, sick, dying bodies into something that suddenly can hold 4th density Light? Idk. Even the most enlightened Masters have died or let go of this vehicle to be in a more appropriate vehicle that corresponds to the density they reside.
Personally, there is no amount of meditation that will repair this body and even if there were I no longer trust it for travel like the first car I had when I was 18 years old; no amount repairs to it would I feel it was safe for long distant travels.

I have heard stories about people with multiple personality disorder being able to change their eye color depending on what personality is activated. Some can even make scars appear and disappear! And one personality can have cancer while other personalities in the same body are free from cancer. Could be made up stories, but it seemed to be fairly credible sources.

Regarding changing the third density body to a fourth density body, I haven't heard anything about that, except New Age teachings and in religious texts like the Bible (our bodies will change in the twinkle of an eye). Is it possible? I don't know, and if it's possible I don't know whether it will happen suddenly or gradually. I will take a look at some New Age videos to get more ideas.

[Patrick]

I have heard stories about people with multiple personality disorder being able to change their eye color depending on what personality is activated. Some can even make scars appear and disappear! And one personality can have cancer while other personalities in the same body are free from cancer. Could be made up stories, but it seemed to be fairly credible sources.
...

You can also become blind while an alter is in control of the body. This blindness truly shuts down the visual cortex as recorded by MRI. Just another published empirical evidence disproving materialism...

https://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthre...?tid=19027

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26468893/

[Anders]

I found this New York Times article!

"For more than a century clinicians have occasionally reported isolated cases of dramatic biological changes in people with multiple personalities as they switched from one to another. These include the abrupt appearance and disappearance of rashes, welts, scars and other tissue wounds; switches in handwriting and handedness; epilepsy, allergies and color blindness that strike only when a given personality is in control of the body." - https://www.nytimes.com/1988/06/28/scien...ality.html

[Ymarsakar]

They used to call this being possessed by multiple demons.

They would electrify people to fix them of these issues.

[Sacred Fool]

 
I wish you all the best in your seeking, Anders, and I would mention that the eternal cells idea is associate with Henrietta Lacks, and she is quite dead.  Also, people with Multiple Personality Disorder live for normal spans of time.  Death is as much a part of life as awakening in the morning, it seems to me.  On the other hand, the things you are pointing to do suggest that we die much earlier than we need to.  According to Ra, this is because we are ineuphonious.  (That's a word I don't use every day, to be sure.)

20.16 Questioner: Can you tell me the reason for this shortening of life span?

Ra: I am Ra. The causes of this shortening are always an ineuphonious or inharmonious relational vibration between other-selves. In the first cycle this was not severe, but due to the dispersion of peoples and the growing feeling complex/distortions towards separateness from other-selves.

  

  

[LeafieGreens]

I am really enjoying this discussion. So fun.

Changing eye color associated with MPD? Why not! I believe it. That is so cool. And yes, materialism is on it's way out. Because the Unseen World is starting to be revealed. All of this new information and new science is coming out constantly. Because we are in 4D already.

I also believe that those who are ready will easily slip into the new upgraded body. I feel that many souls incarnated into this exact space/time in order to experience the transition to the upper 4th and finally 5th density. Of course I have no proof for this. And through my awakening, I also have no fear of death, so I'm good either way.

Right now I'm trying to figure out how to enter time/space from space/time at will. I'm impatient with my own spiritual growth. It's like I was given the keys to the library of Alexandria and can read anything I want, but I can only read one thing at a time.

[Anders]

One idea that came to me is to flip the perspectives. Usually we think of the mainstream so-called rational and materialistic perspective as the true perspective and anything spiritual as woo woo and fantasies.

By swapping the perspectives, then the mainstream perspective becomes the fantasy and in this case my idea of moving directly into fourth density the correct perspective. The idea is to make my mind flexible, so it's not a firm belief but a questioning of which perspective is the correct one.

Ra calls the transition into a higher density a harvest. And as I understand it the Law of One says that reincarnation is necessary for harvest to happen. My idea can therefore be called direct harvest. I will take a look at the Law of One to see what it says about harvest, if I can make it fit my view.

[Ymarsakar]

Aren't you thinking of ascension, the body converting to 25% crystaline silicon?

Harvestible is sometimes referred to as a choice. Meaning they can choose how to be harvested.

" As I imagine it we become the entire human race (or at least a part of those who share the same SMC).
"

Late 4th density or early 6th might apply as a social memory complex. Early 4th however, would not be to that level of telepathic union. It would be more like just logging into a better internet every day.

Right now, we use avatars and account names, and what we write people don't understand. A 4th early density internet would transfer more information, using more accurate numbers. Until eventually the Council of Saturn above 7th density, has full telepathic union.

But Hatonn who is late 4th or early 5th density, is already talking of themselves as both individua lfamily units and as collective "hatonns". Instead of a last name, apaprently now they have a race name.

[jafar]

I am really enjoying this discussion. So fun.

Changing eye color associated with MPD? Why not! I believe it. That is so cool. And yes, materialism is on it's way out. Because the Unseen World is starting to be revealed. All of this new information and new science is coming out constantly. Because we are in 4D already.

I haven't heard about changing eye color of person with MPD/DID.
Has there any evidence of this?

Having said that, I do learn so much from people with DID.
Among my favorites is this girl, or should I say the combination of girls and boys.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC6kFD5x...lytv5pTR1w

I also believe that those who are ready will easily slip into the new upgraded body. I feel that many souls incarnated into this exact space/time in order to experience the transition to the upper 4th and finally 5th density. Of course I have no proof for this. And through my awakening, I also have no fear of death, so I'm good either way.

Right now I'm trying to figure out how to enter time/space from space/time at will. I'm impatient with my own spiritual growth. It's like I was given the keys to the library of Alexandria and can read anything I want, but I can only read one thing at a time.

Happy to hear that you have no fear of death.
It will be harder for the negs to deal with you.

I'm actually confused on how to put 'astral beings' into Mr Ra's definition of density.
Given they can be at any place that they want in an instant.

I remember a Catholic exorcist who mentioned to me once that, from the Demon perspective, the space is within them and not them within space. Which I tend to concur.

[Anders]

Aren't you thinking of ascension, the body converting to 25% crystaline silicon?

Harvestible is sometimes referred to as a choice. Meaning they can choose how to be harvested.

" As I imagine it we become the entire human race (or at least a part of those who share the same SMC).
"

Late 4th density or early 6th might apply as a social memory complex. Early 4th however, would not be to that level of telepathic union. It would be more like just logging into a better internet every day.

Right now, we use avatars and account names, and what we write people don't understand. A 4th early density internet would transfer more information, using more accurate numbers. Until eventually the Council of Saturn above 7th density, has full telepathic union.

But Hatonn who is late 4th or early 5th density, is already talking of themselves as both individua lfamily units and as collective "hatonns". Instead of a last name, apaprently now they have a race name.

I have only looked a little bit into New Age teachings, but yes my idea of direct harvest sounds similar to some of the New Age ascension teachings.

So the development of a fourth density social memory complex is a gradual process. That makes sense. Harvest to me means that what is valuable in the previous density will be preserved like the wheat and chaff analogy. And harvesting the valuable in a whole civilization will take a lot of time. The Bible may be correct that we all will change in the twinkle of an eye, but it could happen as a process where we change one by one over a long period of time. And even when the body-mind complex of the individual instantly changes, there will then be a gradual process of learning more and more capabilities and gradually connecting energetically with others to build the social memory complex.

[Anders]

If my idea is wrong then it can be seen as a disservice to myself and potentially as a disservice to others. And if my view is correct, then it's a disservice to my old self (which will harvested and therefore in a sense "die" ["For whoever wants to save their life will lose it, but whoever loses their life for me will find it." - Matthew 16:25]) but it's a service to the social memory complex!

And since I will become a part of the social memory complex it's also service to my higher self (future self). So service to others from this perspective can be seen as service to the social memory complex instead of service to the individual ego. And I see "service" as a Law of Confusion term in that to me it's not about service in the usual sense of the word. It's instead about shifting from ego consciousness to oneness.

[Diana]

I have heard stories about people with multiple personality disorder being able to change their eye color depending on what personality is activated. Some can even make scars appear and disappear! And one personality can have cancer while other personalities in the same body are free from cancer. Could be made up stories, but it seemed to be fairly credible sources.

Regarding changing the third density body to a fourth density body, I haven't heard anything about that, except New Age teachings and in religious texts like the Bible (our bodies will change in the twinkle of an eye). Is it possible? I don't know, and if it's possible I don't know whether it will happen suddenly or gradually. I will take a look at some New Age videos to get more ideas.

When you consider the irrefutable validity of the Placebo Effect, empirically documented, it seems the mind makes anything possible in the physical. Ra also says this—that the body is created by the mind.

It apparently requires a strong belief to make physical changes from the mind. And there are likely limitations that exist as incarnation choices and such. But in general, I think anything and everything are possible, which only follows logically in an infinite universe.

[Patrick]

One idea that came to me is to flip the perspectives. Usually we think of the mainstream so-called rational and materialistic perspective as the true perspective and anything spiritual as woo woo and fantasies.

By swapping the perspectives, then the mainstream perspective becomes the fantasy and in this case my idea of moving directly into fourth density the correct perspective. The idea is to make my mind flexible, so it's not a firm belief but a questioning of which perspective is the correct one.

Ra calls the transition into a higher density a harvest. And as I understand it the Law of One says that reincarnation is necessary for harvest to happen. My idea can therefore be called direct harvest. I will take a look at the Law of One to see what it says about harvest, if I can make it fit my view.

Here are my notes on the harvest.

...Eventually, your planet will no longer be able to sustain the evolutionary energy necessary to live a third-density life. Once this has occurred and there are no longer any third-density entities dwelling on the planet, fourth density will indeed become able not only to interpenetrate third density but to appear. At this point in its development, all of fourth density chooses not to appear. It chooses to remain as an unseen energy in order to allow the third-density entities to complete their patterns...

...We would suggest that the possibility/probability vortices at this time indicate that each entity to whom we speak shall live out his natural physical life, die a natural death, and then walk the steps of light to see whether he has graduated from third grade or density in this school of souls, or whether he shall have to repeat the grade...

...it is within the self that the transition shall truly occur. That which occurs at harvest is within the self; that which occurs within the planet, although interesting, is a separate subject from the one which might well be considered far more interesting to the self. And that is that it is likely that this lifetime or at the very most, for those who die soon from the physical body, one more lifetime, shall be the last opportunity before graduation to refine the polarity of self to the point at which you the seeker might accept the quality of light which is the native light in fourth density...

...One reason there is no need to fear these changes is that these changes are largely non-physical. As the questioner expressed the question, it was clear that the questioner was aware that they take place in the unseen realms, the inner planes. Therefore, while these changes are absolutely radical and revolutionary, they are not changes that will affect life as you know it on planet Earth. Consensus reality shall reflect only shadows of these changes...

...It is very likely—and we are looking only at probability vortices, not actual predictions—that your people will not only be able to live out their current incarnations here but that there will be enough energy within third density to maintain third-density bodies and the energies of evolution, in terms of the spirit, for some of your time, perhaps as many as a hundred or a hundred and fifty of your years. It is difficult but not impossible to predict with any accuracy what shall occur with your people. However, the time of third density for doing third-density work is virtually over...

...we may use an analogy further utilizing the concept of the school with the grades that represent the levels of understanding or densities of experience. In your third-density illusion, each experience is a question—each experience is the same question. There is only one question on this test which you call life. It is reflected in each experience. The question is, “Do you see love in this experience?” In some degree the seeker will see love in each experience; in some degree the seeker will not. As the seeker is able to answer each experience question with an answer that approaches one hundred percent “Yes,” the seeker is polarizing in the positive sense. We may report that the good news of the test is that fifty-one percent is passing. When the seeker is able to answer each answer to a level of fifty-one percent of experiencing and seeing love, the seeker is then of a polarized enough nature to move into the fourth-density grade in the octave of creation that you now experience. The seeker, then, has achieved the minimum polarization that will allow it to withstand the greater intensity of energy available within the fourth-density class.

Without at least the ability to see love in fifty-one percent of one’s perceptions and experiences, the energy available in the fourth-density class would be too much for the circuit of the seeker who had not yet sufficiently regularized or polarized its being in order that its circuits not be blown, shall we say, as the greater intensity of light became the reality for the seeker...

63.8 Questioner: I would like to continue with the questions about the fact that in fourth-density the red, orange, and green energies will be activated; yellow, blue, etc. being in potentiation. Right now, we have green energies activated. They have been activated for the last 45 years. I am wondering about the transition through this period so that the green is totally activated and the yellow is in potentiation. What will we lose as the yellow goes from activation into potentiation, and what will we gain as green comes into total activation, and what is the process?

Ra: I am Ra. It is misleading to speak of gains and losses when dealing with the subject of the cycle’s ending and the green-ray cycle beginning upon your sphere. It is to be kept in the forefront of the faculties of intelligence that there is one creation in which there is no loss. There are progressive cycles for experiential use by entities. We may now address your query.

As the green-ray cycle or the density of love and understanding begins to take shape the yellow-ray plane or Earth which you now enjoy in your dance will cease to be inhabited for some period of your space/time as the space/time necessary for fourth-density entities to learn their ability to shield their density from that of third is learned. After this period there will come a time when third density may again cycle on the yellow-ray sphere.

Meanwhile there is another sphere, congruent to a great extent with yellow ray, forming. This fourth-density sphere coexists with first, second, and third. It is of a denser nature due to the rotational core atomic aspects of its material. We have discussed this subject with you.

The fourth-density entities which incarnate at this space/time are fourth density in the view of experience but are incarnating in less dense vehicles due to desire to experience and aid in the birth of fourth density upon this plane.

You may note that fourth-density entities have a great abundance of compassion.

20.6 Questioner: Speaking of the rapid change that occurred in the physical vehicle; the change from second to third density: this, you said, occurred in approximately a generation and a half. Body hair was lost and there were structural changes.
I am aware of the physics of Dewey B. Larson, who states that all is motion or vibration. Am I correct in assuming that the basic vibration, which makes up the physical world as we experience it, changes, thus creating a different set of parameters, shall I say, in this short period of time between density changes allowing for the new type of vehicle? Am I correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is correct.

[Anders]

...We would suggest that the possibility/probability vortices at this time indicate that each entity to whom we speak shall live out his natural physical life, die a natural death, ...

... In your third-density illusion, each experience is a question—each experience is the same question. There is only one question on this test which you call life. It is reflected in each experience. The question is, “Do you see love in this experience?”

That's interesting. So death is probable (at the time of the channeling) but not inevitable! And the second quote mentions our world as a third-density illusion. That fits with my idea of questioning the current mainstream view of reality.

[Ohr Ein Sof]

...We would suggest that the possibility/probability vortices at this time indicate that each entity to whom we speak shall live out his natural physical life, die a natural death, ...

... In your third-density illusion, each experience is a question—each experience is the same question. There is only one question on this test which you call life. It is reflected in each experience. The question is, “Do you see love in this experience?”

That's interesting. So death is probable (at the time of the channeling) but not inevitable! And the second quote mentions our world as a third-density illusion. That fits with my idea of questioning the current mainstream view of reality.

The body will die but you live on. In other words, your body will have no vital signs, your brain which is part of the body complex will be dead and you will leave your body and hopefully head right to the astral planes while your body (corpse) decays.

[Patrick]

...We would suggest that the possibility/probability vortices at this time indicate that each entity to whom we speak shall live out his natural physical life, die a natural death, ...

... In your third-density illusion, each experience is a question—each experience is the same question. There is only one question on this test which you call life. It is reflected in each experience. The question is, “Do you see love in this experience?”

That's interesting. So death is probable (at the time of the channeling) but not inevitable! And the second quote mentions our world as a third-density illusion. That fits with my idea of questioning the current mainstream view of reality.

The body will die but you live on. In other words, your body will have no vital signs, your brain which is part of the body complex will be dead and you will leave your body and hopefully head right to the astral planes while your body (corpse) decays.

Or you start your 4D incarnation while still in the 3D body and so the 4D body popping into existence explodes the 3D body in gore all around you (If so then I hope it happens at the same time for everyone, cause that's going to freak out peeps).

[Anders]

The body will die but you live on. In other words, your body will have no vital signs, your brain which is part of the body complex will be dead and you will leave your body and hopefully head right to the astral planes while your body (corpse) decays.

In third density I guess that's correct. However fourth density is a new development on earth. And as I see it fourth density energy will start to change our world, including changing how physical matter and energy behave.

So my idea is that it's possible for the third density body to be transformed into a fourth density body without the need for physical death. Sure, I'm aware that my view is very controversial. Even in most spiritual teachings there is the firm assumption of inevitable physical death. I'm exploring the opposite possibility of that. To me death and taxes are uncertain in the future.

[Anders]

I find it a bit hard to decode this, but I will give it a biased try.

"Questioner: You are saying, then, that for the transition from third to fourth density for one of the entities with doubly activated bodies, in order to make the transition the third-density body will go through the process of what we call death. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. The third and fourth, combination, density’s body will die according to the necessity of third-density mind/body/spirit complex distortions.

We may respond to the heart of your questioning by noting that the purpose of such combined activation of mind/body/spirit complexes is that such entities, to some extent, consciously are aware of those fourth-density understandings which third density is unable to remember due to the forgetting. Thus fourth-density experience may be begun with the added attraction, to an entity oriented towards service to others, of dwelling in a troubled third-density environment and offering its love and compassion." - Law of One 63.14

The text "fourth-density experience may be begun with the added attraction" could possibly mean entering fourth density directly from a third density body without having to die first.

[Anders]

If fourth density experience can begin with the attraction of offering love and compassion (Law of One 63.14), then what about the third density necessity for the body to die? My interpretation is that yes in third density the body (absent transhumanist intervention) will die. The tricky thing is that when entering fourth density while in third density that necessity no longer applies! The Law of Confusion at its finest.

[Patrick]

The text "fourth-density experience may be begun with the added attraction" could possibly mean entering fourth density directly from a third density body without having to die first.

If you read 2150 AD (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2150_AD) towards the end of the book you have a demonstration of what Ra was talking about when saying: "fourth-density experience may be begun with the added attraction, to an entity oriented towards service to others, of dwelling in a troubled third-density environment and offering its love and compassion".

If you'd like to have a good idea of what the transition to 4D, including the creation of the future 4d bodies, looks like you should read that book.

[Ohr Ein Sof]

...We would suggest that the possibility/probability vortices at this time indicate that each entity to whom we speak shall live out his natural physical life, die a natural death, ...

... In your third-density illusion, each experience is a question—each experience is the same question. There is only one question on this test which you call life. It is reflected in each experience. The question is, “Do you see love in this experience?”

That's interesting. So death is probable (at the time of the channeling) but not inevitable! And the second quote mentions our world as a third-density illusion. That fits with my idea of questioning the current mainstream view of reality.

The body will die but you live on. In other words, your body will have no vital signs, your brain which is part of the body complex will be dead and you will leave your body and hopefully head right to the astral planes while your body (corpse) decays.

Or you start your 4D incarnation while still in the 3D body and so the 4D body popping into existence explodes the 3D body in gore all around you (If so then I hope it happens at the same time for everyone, cause that's going to freak out peeps).

Tee hee that is crazy but funny to imagine.