We are those of faith who learned through science

[Patrick]

I had never stumbled on Yom before.  Very interesting stuff.

https://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/i..._0416.aspx

...I am Yom. I greet you in the love and the light of the infinite Creator. We are most pleased to be called to this group. We have never used this instrument. There is a good reason for not using this instrument. This instrument is very ill equipped to speak in scientific language. We shall, however, do the best we can with this instrument as your subject is one which, shall we say, we cover when it comes to the type of call that comes to Confederation entities. We tend, shall we say, to specialize so that each of us may learn a somewhat different lesson in service, given that we have a certain gift in our culture for one thing or another. For us, it happened to be that science led us to what you would call religion rather than religion leading us to science. Therefore, we are those of faith who learned through science rather than those of faith to whom science may seem to be an adversary. Thus, this is our subject and we are most grateful to have this call from you. We do apologize for this instrument’s paucity of acceptable technical vocabulary, for there is much within your scientific jargon which we could use if this instrument were aware of the words. This instrument does not wish to go into trance, therefore, we shall have to give you the layman’s version of our studied answer to your query which was, although awkwardly phrased, an important query we thought, and one which deserved, perhaps, to be restated in terms of its central question...

They came a couple times over the years when questions of science were asked.  Even such things as crystal healing as was used at the time of Atlantis.

[Ymarsakar]

Nice.

There are many ways to verify channeled information. There are 2 types of resonance I recognize.

1 Positive resonance, this is the "this is interesting, fun, or enjoyable" reaction
2. Negative r esonance, this is the "it freaks me out, not liking it" reaction.
XA. Non reaction, this is the "this is boring, skip" reaction.

Often when people say "this does not resonate with me", they mean only the number 2. And if it resonates, then it is number 1. I would see both kinds of reaction as resonance. A resonance merely amplifies the base emotion and frequency, and begins multiplying it via harmonics.

Kryon channeling often deals with this scientific stuff and releasing info that scientists have delved into but were not exactly mainstream.

"I am Yom. I am again with you. This instrument is very keen on the challenging, we must say. She hurls herself at us, and we would be most fearsome and want to leave, indeed, if we did not come able to say, “Christ is Lord.” This child has Christ as Lord, thus, we may say that. We may therefore stay, but, my goodness, this little entity is very fierce."

Hehe

" Even such things as crystal healing as was used at the time of Atlantis."

It is being used right now, actually. It is not that uncommon a practice any more in the US of A.

[Diana]

I found this channeling very interesting and a decidedly unique tone. It made me think how good it would have been if there had been an "instrument" in the group with an extensive scientific vocabulary. Too bad Don was already gone.

Thanks for posting it. I also shared it with my study group.

[KaliSouth]

I had never stumbled on Yom before.  Very interesting stuff.

https://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/i..._0416.aspx

...I am Yom. I greet you in the love and the light of the infinite Creator. We are most pleased to be called to this group. We have never used this instrument. There is a good reason for not using this instrument. This instrument is very ill equipped to speak in scientific language. We shall, however, do the best we can with this instrument as your subject is one which, shall we say, we cover when it comes to the type of call that comes to Confederation entities. We tend, shall we say, to specialize so that each of us may learn a somewhat different lesson in service, given that we have a certain gift in our culture for one thing or another. For us, it happened to be that science led us to what you would call religion rather than religion leading us to science. Therefore, we are those of faith who learned through science rather than those of faith to whom science may seem to be an adversary. Thus, this is our subject and we are most grateful to have this call from you. We do apologize for this instrument’s paucity of acceptable technical vocabulary, for there is much within your scientific jargon which we could use if this instrument were aware of the words. This instrument does not wish to go into trance, therefore, we shall have to give you the layman’s version of our studied answer to your query which was, although awkwardly phrased, an important query we thought, and one which deserved, perhaps, to be restated in terms of its central question...

They came a couple times over the years when questions of science were asked.  Even such things as crystal healing as was used at the time of Atlantis.

Do you have a link for the crystal healing sessions?

[Patrick]

Do you have a link for the crystal healing sessions?

I believe it is this one.

https://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/i..._0608.aspx

[Ymarsakar]

https://www.healingcrystals.com/ Speaking of crystals, here is a tax deduction method.

[Ymarsakar]

"Carla: Since everyone seems to be pretty passive tonight, perhaps we’ll make this L2 night. This one’s even worse, Latwii, so you can deal with it by again asking me to repeat. Question number two: “Could you afford some connective commentary regarding how the perspectives of the following great explicators mesh into the same central truths? Swedenborg; Michael, in Yarbro’s Messages from Michael; Seth; Franklin Merrell-Wolff; the Cayce trance testator; Orobindo; Meister Eckhart; anonymous authors; the Bhagavad-Gita; Gautama Buddha; Jesus of Nazareth; Mohammet; Krishna; Babaji; Socrates”—well, that’s a starter.

I am Latwii. I am aware of your question. My brother, consider your own situation. You exist within a reality in which many claim to have a perception of that which is real, that which is factual, that which is existent, yet many seem to be in contradiction with one another in their description. Would it be true to say that each is wrong or each is right? We would offer then the following commentary for your examination.

Each of those which you have described, including, we might add, the anonymous writers, has been able to perceive with a varying degree of clarity that which exists beyond your realm of confusion, and in their perception have attempted to relay that image to their other selves in such a manner as to reproduce that perception. However, as you are aware, the reproduction of concept into words is quite difficult and often of poor result. We would therefore observe initially that the translation on each of the source’s part has been severely hampered by the inability to translate perception into words. As a further example, we would suggest that one consider the possibility of translating into words a robin’s song so that the reader, upon reading the words, could successfully reproduce the musical notes.

The further difficulty arrives at the determination of subsequent readers or translators to correct that which they do not understand or alter that with which they do not agree. This has happened quite frequently in the history of your people, both through accident and intention, for much of your historic religious and philosophical texts have been reproduced a number of times in writing after being handed down on the basis of word of mouth for numbers of years, resulting in quite radical deviations from the original source.

Finally, we would observe that those who perceived the original awareness of that which exists beyond the realm of confusion have themselves often been the recipients of much communication, some of which was distorted intentionally by those who would seek to sincerely follow a path of service to self, therefore, quite literally negating much of that which may have been intended.

May we answer you further?

Carla: I think so. I think the question is, “What connective commentary could you give regarding the central truths if any, which all of these people are trying to explicate?”

My sister, the central truths are of themselves the connective tissue which unite the perceptions of each listed, for it was their perception of that reality, that awareness of both the Creator and the orderly universe which was created, that sparked the imagination of those listed and inspired each to attempt to communicate their awareness to their other selves.

May we answer you further?

Carla: No. I feel that there is some reason that you are angling your answer the way you are, and having met L2, we’ll just say, that’s fine. And thank you.

We thank you, my sister.

A: How is the instrument doing?

The instrument is tiring but capable of answering to a further extent if there are more questions.

N: I have a query. The Sufis used in former times a nine foot high pole of lapis lazuli which was two feet in diameter. The ritual, I think, has been discontinued for initiates. Why did they use this nine foot object which was two feet in diameter for initiation and why did they stop using it?

I am Latwii. My brother, the object of which you speak was actually not composed in its entirety of the substance which you describe but rather was an object of those dimensions decorated with that same substance. The purpose of this device was to act as a focal point during ceremonies much as the apex of a pyramid would have the effect of a focal point for down-funneling energies. Consider if you will the effect of a conical arrangement of individuals with a single individual at the apex of the cone atop the device which you have described. It was an effort to produce in a simplistic form a pyramidal-type device for the purpose of initiation which was not particularly successful due to the lack of understanding of those performing this attempt."

This is actually related more to the "scientific orthodox" threads on these forums, rather than the channeling sub forum.

But there's a few points of commonality, like crystals, so I will put it here.

This connects to the subject of how reliable trance/nontrance and other channeled or non channeled information sources are, in the "You gonna take the wax?" mega thread. This has to do with the telephone game and how the conscious filter of the user, impacts the information degradation, on top of the user and info's own distortions in trance/non trance.

https://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/i..._0707.aspx

[zedro]

...I am Yom. I greet you in the love and the light of the infinite Creator. We are most pleased to be called to this group. We have never used this instrument. There is a good reason for not using this instrument. This instrument is very ill equipped to speak in scientific language.

I find this strange, for if an entity can clearly talk through someone in a trance state then they can surely say anything that the instrument does not understand (because that's the point of communicating). Maybe it's a limitation of lexicon that is required by that particular connection, but I still wonder why. (I understand why conscious channeling is a whole other ballgame as discussed)

I personally know of an (ex)channeler who would completely go into a trance (complete take over without remembering), could draw and speak of things she had never heard before and had no understanding of. In fact she was a high school dropout with 9th grade literacy and was very sheltered from a highly abusive background. She had never had any spiritual practices, and was very unhealthy until she received energetic healing. The notes and messages relayed were very complicated and many instances got independently verified with scientific, historical and occult sources later on. Ultimately a high price was payed and dark forces took notice and tricked her down a wrong path, and she since burned her bridges, including her 'divine powers' (like the light got too intense for her vibrational state and she burned out). So maybe it's dependent on both the entity and the channeler, but I would think as long as a word could be pronounced, it could be relayed, just as she clumsely drew things she had no previous knowledge of (looked like a child's drawing).

[Patrick]

This was not trance channeling.

[jacrob]

They state the instrument was reluctant to go into trance.

[Patrick]

They state the instrument was reluctant to go into trance.

Yes: "...This instrument does not wish to go into trance, therefore, we shall have to give you the layman’s version..."

[KaliSouth]

Do you have a link for the crystal healing sessions?

I believe it is this one.

https://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/i..._0608.aspx

Thank you!