Giants

[Spectrum]

thank you for your participation.

I help where I can to shine a light on the truth, since the Confederation members also need all the help they can get.

[Monica]

By the way, the Yahweh/Orion “stint” have never seized, as you can see when you follow the developments in the Middle East.

Spectrum, did you intend to say seized or ceased?

[Spectrum]

By the way, the Yahweh/Orion “stint” have never seized, as you can see when you follow the developments in the Middle East.

Spectrum, did you intend to say seized or ceased?

I meant to say ceased, I'll fix that. Thanks for pointing it out.

[Monica]

they have existed for a short period after/during 1600s and then dispersed,

What I don't understand is: Why do we not have any physical evidence for these giants? And, what happened to their genetics? Many of the descendants would have been giants also, since the larger gene would have dominated at least some of the time.

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the unreliability of religious text doesnt come from orion influence. the unreliability mainly comes from human factor.

How can you say this when Ra tells us this?

Unreliability of the recording of events is a separate issue from the events themselves. Ra tells us that the events were set in motion by negative influence. The recording of said events was subject to normal human fallibility.

Regardless of the nature of events (whether STS or STO, whatever), the recording of events by humans is always subject to human fallibility and biases; hence unreliable.

[unity100]

they have existed for a short period after/during 1600s and then dispersed,

What I don't understand is: Why do we not have any physical evidence for these giants? And, what happened to their genetics? Many of the descendants would have been giants also, since the larger gene would have dominated at least some of the time.

we dont have any evidence of these giants, because apparently they were few in number, ie, they didnt even constitute a big tribe, and they dispersed very soon. this is one of the reasons that enforces the yahweh intervention in caanan shortly before the exodus - if, there had been enough time for their dispersion for themselves to breed and repopulate, they would either not disperse, or, would have a much bigger effect in history, or at least seen and recorded at large. since, they have dispersed as Ra says, it will be hard to find the remains of individuals. however, their genes probably passed around.

and the average height of mankind gradually increased compared to neolithic.

[Monica]

Since Ra tells us that the Old Testament is negatively influenced, and we know that the negative influence is Orion, with their own agenda, I’m afraid I won’t accept anything from the Hebrew Bible as truthful, since we know those Orion folks don’t hold the truth in very high regard.

The humans who wrote the books that became the bible weren't necessarily aware of the negative manipulation. They recorded their version of history in the same manner as other humans record theirs (for example, the Europeans who wrote the history books and skewed information relating to the Native Americans...)

Nevertheless, with this caveat, I think we can trust the Bible to the same degree as we might trust any other historical record: a historical record as seen thru the eyes of that particular culture, and thus having a limited perspective, but offering some valuable data nonetheless.

In other words, I wouldn't consider the stories in the Bible as authoritative, but I wouldn't totally dismiss them either. They have as much value as any other mythological story or historical record. I wouldn't accept other historical sources while rejecting the Bible because we know of its negative influence. I would treat all mythological and historical records pretty much the same: not authoritative but with some value in their ability to fill in some missing pieces and corroborate other sources.

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By the way, the Yahweh/Orion “stint” have never seized, as you can see when you follow the developments in the Middle East.

Spectrum, did you intend to say seized or ceased?

I meant to say ceased, I'll fix that. Thanks for pointing it out.

Ah, that makes more sense.

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we dont have any evidence of these giants, because apparently they were few in number, ie, they didnt even constitute a big tribe, and they dispersed very soon. this is one of the reasons that enforces the yahweh intervention in caanan shortly before the exodus - if, there had been enough time for their dispersion for themselves to breed and repopulate, they would either not disperse, or, would have a much bigger effect in history, or at least seen and recorded at large. since, they have dispersed as Ra says, it will be hard to find the remains of individuals. however, their genes probably passed around.

and the average height of mankind gradually increased compared to neolithic.

Well we do have those tall basketball players!

Just as we still have 'little people' whose genetics are apparently from the dwarves.

[Spectrum]

After some digging, I found this:

Headdress of Queen Puabi – Ur (Southern Iraq)



Here’s the wiki link - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puabi

And here’s another link from the University of Pennsylvania Museum of Archaeology and Anthropology - http://archaeology.about.com/gi/o.htm?zi...lease.html

It says:

PHILADELPHIA, PA—In 1922—the same year that Howard Carter made headlines with the discovery of Tutankhamen's tomb in Egypt—the Penn Museum and the British Museum embarked upon a joint expedition to the ancient site of Ur in southern Iraq. Led by British archaeologist Sir Leonard Woolley, this expedition astonished the world by uncovering an extraordinary 4,500-year-old royal cemetery with more than 2,000 burials that detailed a remarkable ancient Mesopotamian civilization at the height of its glory.

From this link: http://archaeology.about.com/od/mesopota...t_ur_2.htm

Figure Caption: Queen Puabi’s headdress. (Comb Height: 26 cm; Diameter of Hair Rings: 2.7 cm; Comb Width: 11 cm) The headdress of gold, lapis lazuli, and carnelian includes a frontlet with beads and pendant gold rings, two wreaths of poplar leaves, a wreath of willow leaves and inlaid rosettes, and a string of lapis lazuli beads, discovered on Queen Puabi’s body in her tomb at the Royal Cemetery of Ur, ca 2550 BCE.

Which makes it a lot larger than a human head, approximately 2 - 3 times as large.

This find places the Anak in Sumer (Iraq), long before Egypt, and also confirms that they were royalty (at least in this particular case).

The excavated treasures from Woolley's expedition were divided between the British Museum in London, the University of Pennsylvania Museum in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania and the National Museum in Baghdad. Several pieces were looted from the National Museum in the aftermath of the Second Gulf War in 2003.

[Spectrum]

What seems pertinant from this thread and the other one that Peregrinus linked to is that re-learning Solex Mal (solar tongue) is a beneficial path to comprehend the original language of the sub-logos our sun which is the root of all Earth language. It seems like this could be a good topic to request when higher self channeling or through Carla's connections, why not put our minds to re-discovering this pure language.

The rest of the who, what, where, which version of the truth seems rather transient.

I agree. I'll just add my last bit of research to show that the people of Egypt, with the same societal status, were depicted in different statures (giants and non-giants):

These are all from the Tombs Of Nobles, Luxor-thebes, Egypt



EGYPT MURAL 2ND-1ST MILL.BCE
Peasant couple ploughing. Wallpainting in the vaulted tomb chamber of Sennedjem (No. 1), a necropolis official of the early Ramessid Period (18th Dynasty), in the cemetery of Deir el-Medina.

Look how big they are in relation to the oxen, and notice the difference in size between the man ploughing and the woman sowing.




EGYPT MURAL 2ND-1ST MILL.BCE
A funeral ship takes mummy of Sennufer on its last voyage to Abydos. Wall painting in the sepulchral chamber of Sennufer, Mayor of Thebes and overseer of works under Pharaoh Amenophis II (18th Dynasty, 16th- 14th BCE) in the cemetery of Sheikh Abd al-Qurnah.

All workers on the ship, as also indicated by identical clothing, yet, some big, some small.




EGYPT MURAL 2ND-1ST MILL.BCE
Group of mourning women. Wallpainting in the tomb of Ramose, general under Pharaoh Amenophis IV. Animated Amarna style, typical for this revolutionary period (16th-14th BCE). South group, tomb 11, south wall, cemetery of Sheikh Abd al-Qurnah.

These various sizes could suggest the natural genetic evolution of the offspring of Anak.




EGYPT MURAL 2ND-1ST MILL.BCE
Rekhmere inspects woodcarvers and carpenters. Wallpainting in the tomb of Rekhmere, vizier under Pharaohs Thutmosis III and Amenophis II (18th Dynasty, 16th-14th BCE) in the cemetery of Sheikh Abd al-Qurnah.

Notice the two sculptors on the left, working on the same sculpture, one big, one small.




EGYPT MURAL 2ND-1ST MILL.BCE
Sculptors at work. Detail of a wallpainting in the tomb of Rekhmere, vizier under Pharaohs Thutmosis III and Amenophis II (18th Dynasty, 16th-14th BCE), in the cemetery of Sheikh Abd al-Qurnah.

At the bottom we see two sculptors (same societal status) – different statures.




EGYPT MURAL 2ND-1ST MILL.BCE
Girl musicians with harp and string instruments. Detail of a wallpainting in the tomb of Rekhmere, vizier under the Pharaohs Thutmosis III and Amenophis II (18th Dynasty, 16th-14th BCE), in the cemetery of Sheikh Abd al-Qurnah.

Three musicians, one big, two small.




EGYPT MURAL 2ND-1ST MILL.BCE
Agricultural scene. Overall view of a wallpainting in the tomb of Mennah, scribe of the fields and estate inspector under Pharaoh Thutmosis IV (18th Dynasty, 16th-14th BCE) in the cemetery of Sheikh Abd al-Qurnah.

All slave workers, as indicated by the slave clothing, some big, some small.




EGYPT MURAL 2ND-1ST MILL.BCE
A servant measures a field in the presence of the farmer and his wife. Detail of a wallpainting in the tomb of Mennah, scribe of the fields and estate inspector under Pharaoh Thutmosis IV (18th Dynasty, 16th-14th BCE) in the cemetery of Sheikh Abd al-Qurnah.

Some servants are big, some servants are small.




EGYPT MURAL 2ND-1ST MILL.BCE
Winnowing with wooden scoops. Detail of a wallpainting in the tomb of Mennah, scribe of the fields and estate inspector under Pharaoh Thutmosis IV (18th Dynasty, 16th-14th BCE) in the cemetery of Sheikh Abd al-Qurnah.

All slaves, with the same slave outfits, some big, some small.




EGYPT MURAL 2ND-1ST MILL.BCE
Men transporting corn. In the background slave girls fighting for the left-overs. Detail of a wallpainting in the tomb of Mennah, scribe of the fields and estate inspector under Pharaoh Thutmosis IV (18th Dynasty, 16th-14th BCE) in the cemetery of Sheikh Abd al-Qurnah.

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EGYPT MURAL 2ND-1ST MILL.BCE
Servants plucking geese. Detail of a wallpainting in the tomb of Nakht, scribe and priest under Pharaoh Thutmosis IV (18th Dynasty, 16th-14th BCE), in the cemetery of Sheikh Abd al-Qurnah.

Two servants plucking geese, one big, one small.




EGYPT MURAL 2ND-1ST MILL.BCE
Farmers breaking ground, sowing, and ploughing. Detail of a wallpainting in the tomb of Nakht, scribe and priest under Pharaoh Tuthmosis IV (18th Dynasty, 16th-14th BCE), in the cemetery of Sheikh Abd al-Qurnah.

Notice the man ploughing (bending down), almost as high as the man sowing (standing up), both workers in the field - same societal status.




EGYPT MURAL 2ND-1ST MILL.BCE
Farmers carrying baskets full of wheat. Detail of a wallpainting in the tomb of Nakht, scribe and priest under Pharaoh Tutmosis IV (18th Dynasty, 16th-14th BCE),in the cemetery of Sheikh Abd al-Qurnah.

Giant worker men, compared to the female harvester on the right. Also notice the difference in skin tone, but there many researchers who have tackled that issue, which is a topic for another day.




EGYPT MURAL 2ND-1ST MILL.BCE
Labourers felling trees. Detail of a wallpainting in the tomb of Nakht, scribe and priest under Pharaoh Thutmosis IV (18th Dynasty, 16th-14th BCE), in the cemetery of Sheikh Abd Abd al-Qurnah.

Both are labourers felling trees, one big, one small.




EGYPT MURAL 2ND-1ST MILL.BCE
Farmhands harvesting. Wallpainting in the tomb of the Scribe Mennah, Deir el-Medina, Thebes, Egypt. 18th Dynasty (1554-1305 BCE), New Kingdom

All farmhands harvesting, some big, some small.

[unity100]

you are still trying to push the same thing despite having been given extensive information on the subject that you dont know about. size is related to social status in egyptian art. husband larger than wife, parents larger than kids, master larger than servants. so it goes. it is actually not too different in other political depictions, even in middle age art, this was as such. yet there were no giant kings despite being depicted larger than others.

moreover, there are NO 'giants' found among endless number of mummies discovered in egypt. the selection is quite large, because not only classes from middle class and up, but also lower classes were mummifying their dead as much as they can. (not as complete a process as the rich got, however still mummifying). in large burial zones for such poor people, there are no mummies of extraordinary size. not to mention that some 'elite' of higher status would not be buried in such places. not surprisingly, there are NO 'oversized' human bodies found among endless number of mummies discovered either in middle-upper middle class burial zones.

approximate number of mummies found around 4000 mummies (up till today) of which 500 or so were kings. among them, there are no 'oversized' mummies'.

especially when we remember that, there were NO 'oversized' mummies found among the mummies in valley of kings, the place for burial of people who were always depicted larger than any other person they were pictured in their lives (and the walls of their tombs), situation becomes much more clear.

moreover, with your headgear proof, you have ignored the hairdo, and headgear of the woman that was going to wear the hairdress. you could as well snap a snake from head ornament of akhenaton and claim that he was a giant, ignoring the headpiece he wore the thing on.

you are believing what you see in conspiracy sites way too much.

[Spectrum]

you are still trying to push the same thing despite having been given extensive information on the subject that you dont know about.

I have given up on the possibility of you admitting that you made a mistake. Instead, you still opt for discrediting me. This thread says much more about you, than anything else. Do you know how research works? People collaborate, share ideas and present proof of their assessments.

size is related to social status in egyptian art. husband larger than wife, parents larger than kids, master larger than servants. so it goes.

Did you miss my evidence above. Let me help you out:

• All workers on a ship (same societal status), all male, giants and non-giants.

• Two sculpturers (same societal status), both male, one's a giant, the other not.

• All slave workers (same societal status), all male, giants and non-giants.

• Servants, all wearing identical servant outfits, all male, giants and non-giants.

• Slave workers, doing the same task, with identical slave outfits, all male, giants and non-giants.

• Two servants plucking geese, with identical servant outfits, both male, one's a giant, the other not.

• Two labourers felling trees, identical slave outfits, both male, one's a giant, the other not.

And so on and so forth...

moreover, with your headgear proof, you have ignored the hairdo, and headgear of the woman that was going to wear the hairdress. you could as well snap a snake from head ornament of akhenaton and claim that he was a giant, ignoring the headpiece he wore the thing on.

...and the lunacy continues...

you are believing what you see in conspiracy sites way too much.

That's odd of you to say, since it's not on a conspiracy site, it's museum artifacts. Did you miss that bit?

Lastly, the only weak part of my hypothesis is the size of the mummies, which is the part you keep focussing on, but I will research that further, together with the hieroglyphs (written proof). As you know, the researchers attempting to desipher the hieroglyps, had a tough time, since it's an ancient language not in existance anymore.

Why don't you address the elephant in the living room I wonder, Ra's words, the formation of Judaism (the FIRST time those of ORION made serious inroads upon the PLANETARY consciousness) and the biblical timeline I provided you with? Very revealing. Or do you think if you keep ignoring it, it's just going to vanish? Not to mention the Hebrew bible reserving the term "God" exclusively for Yahweh, not to mention your post in the beginning of this thread (the Annunaki one), which places the giants in Sumer, long before Egypt.

[unity100]

explain why there has been no giant mummies found amongst 500+ (not counting the noble wives) king/royalty/nobility mummies in egypt first, and then ill re-participate in the discussion.

Did you miss my evidence above. Let me help you out:

your evidence apparently, conveniently missed the 'master-servant' part of the issue. it doesnt matter whether entities are of the same sex - if one is in higher status than the other, master, owner of the field, or anyone else with a higher status, it is bigger than others. pharaoh and the high priest are both male, however one is smaller than the other.

I have given up on the possibility of you admitting that you made a mistake. Instead, you still opt for discrediting me. Do you know how research works? People collaborate, share ideas and present proof of their assessments.

what mistake ? the one who had provided a parchment with akhenaten and his wife on it, and said that this was not a pharaoh 'definitely' because it didnt have 'pharaoh headgear', and when presented with endless numbers of similar parchments, fresks, obelisks with the same headgear (not to mention all are akhenaton, and maybe half depicting the same scene of receiving blessings from sun disk aton), you have just forgotten what you have said and moved to other supposed evidence you have found.

moreover, you are making uninformed statements on a subject you have NO information about :

As you know, the researchers attempting to desipher the hieroglyps, had a tough time, since it's an ancient language not in existance anymore.

i dont know any such thing, for such a situation does not exist.

egyptian is still being spoken as official language of coptic church in all the masses they hold wherever they are :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptian_language

Egyptian is the indigenous language of Egypt and a branch of the Afroasiatic language family. Written records of the Egyptian language have been dated from about 3400 BC,[1] making it one of the oldest recorded languages known. Egyptian was spoken until the late 17th century AD in the form of Coptic. The national language of modern-day Egypt is Egyptian Arabic, which gradually replaced Coptic as the language of daily life in the centuries after the Muslim conquest of Egypt. Coptic is still used as the liturgical language of the Coptic Church. It has a handful of fluent speakers today.[2][3]

moreover, it is still being spoken by coptic christians in egypt and in the places they have migrated to, even if those who use it in daily life are rather few :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coptic_language

and actually, this situation was the reason why champollion, the person who deciphered hieroglyphs in 1822, was able to decipher them - he went to a coptic church after an insight, and used the language to decipher hieroglyphs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Fran%C...hampollion

there is no trouble anyone is having either due to egyptian language, or hieroglyphs. they can be read very easily and very well since 1822. we even know the daily lives of ordinary egyptians due to endless number of records.

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with your logic these also hold true :

http://www.nashfordpublishing.co.uk/chur...hurch.html

apparently there were giants in britain in middle ages too then.

moreover, apparently jesus/apostles were also giants :

http://www.nashfordpublishing.co.uk/chur...hurch.html

the 'weak side' of your 'theory' is not the size of mummies. its the fact that among 500 or so king and royalty mummies found in egypt, there are NO oversized persons, despite ALL being shown as 'giants'. and this goes way back to 5200 year old mummies.

...and the lunacy continues...

i had had replied again, because i thought that you were making an effort to learn things that you didnt have enough information on. this was the motive.

however, as of this point, i regret it.

not only you have turned this into an 'i am right' competition, but also still are talking on things you dont have enough information to talk about, like saying 'hieroglyphs are hard, egyptian language is a language that does not exist' and so on.

excuse me, no disrespect, but, you cannot go about discovering 'mysteries' like unreal existence of anak etc, by skimming egyptian history, if you dont even know that egyptian language still exists, think that hieroglyphs pose a problem and so on.

im not going to reply to you again. im thinking that you are just discussing by selectively ignoring whatever you want, especially things that invalidate your approach totally. there are 3 possibilities for doing as such, and any of them means that discussing with someone doing them is unproductive.

i wish you good luck in your newly found egyptian history enthusiasm.

[Spectrum]

i dont know any such thing, for such a situation does not exist.

egyptian is still being spoken as official language of coptic church in all the masses they hold wherever they are :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptian_language

Now you have really exhibited your ignorance on the matter. Let me try and help you out again:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Fran%C...hampollion

Thomas Young was one of the first to attempt decipherment of the Egyptian hieroglyphs, basing his own work on the investigations of Swedish diplomat Åkerblad, who built up a demotic alphabet of 29 letters (15 turned out to be correct) and translated all personal names and other words in the Demotic part of the Rosetta Stone in 1802. Åkerblad however, wrongly believed that demotic was entirely phonetic or alphabetic. Young thought the same, and by 1814 he had completely translated the enchorial (which Champollion labeled Demotic as it is called today) text of the Rosetta Stone (he had a list with 86 demotic words). Young then studied the hieroglyphic alphabet and made some progress but failed to recognise that demotic and hieroglyphic texts were paraphrases and not simple translations. In 1823 he published an Account of the Recent Discoveries in Hieroglyphic Literature and Egyptian Antiquities. Some of Young's conclusions appeared in the famous article Egypt he wrote for the 1818 edition of the Encyclopædia Britannica.

When Champollion, in 1822, published his translation of the hieroglyphs and the key to the grammatical system, Young and all others praised this work. Young had indicated in a letter to Gurney that he wished to see Champollion acknowledge that he had made use of Young's earlier work in assisting his eventual deciphering of hieroglyphics. Champollion was unwilling to share the credit even though initially he had not recognized that hieroglyphics were phonetic[citation needed]. Young corrected him on this, and Champollion attempted to have an early article withdrawn once he realized his mistake[citation needed]. Strongly motivated by the political tensions of that time, the British supported Young and the French Champollion. Champollion completely translated the hieroglyphic grammar based in part upon the earlier work of others including Young. However, Champollion maintained that he alone had deciphered the hieroglyphs. After 1826, he did offer Young access to demotic manuscripts in the Louvre, when he was a curator. Baron Georges Cuvier (1825) credited Champollion's work as an important aid in dating the Dendera Zodiac.

The Coptic language is a descendant of the Egyptian language, spoken by a tiny minority in Egypt. More than 90% speak Arabic. Are you familiar with Evolutionary linguistics? What influence do you think the Arabic had/have, spoken by the majority. Hmmm? Do you speak Shakespearean English?

My mother tongue is a descendant of the Dutch language, still spoken today in Amsterdam, and we were only separated for 400 years. Do you think we understand the Dutch today? With great difficulty, and that is only 400 years, not to mention millennia. That black and white thinking of yours again, remember there are shades of grey.

your evidence apparently, conveniently missed the 'master-servant' part of the issue.

Something tells me you will argue with great finesse that the sky is actually green, and not blue like we all thought.

with your logic these also hold true :

http://www.nashfordpublishing.co.uk/chur...hurch.html

apparently there were giants in britain in middle ages too then.

moreover, apparently jesus/apostles were also giants :

http://www.nashfordpublishing.co.uk/chur...hurch.html

Something also tells me there is a big possibility that you are going to argue next that giants in fact never existed, that it was a metaphor, despite worldwide archaeological evidence of colossal skeletal remains.

Oh wait, it must be a conspiracy! Those pesky conspiracy theorists!

Remember about the elephant in the living room.

[Monica]

Look how big they are in relation to the oxen, and notice the difference in size between the man ploughing and the woman sowing.

The first pic doesn't look unusual to me. Men are usually bigger than women. This particular pic fits within the range of normalcy for a man and a woman.

I am very short. If I stood next to our moderator Steve, there would be a much bigger difference between us than there is in that picture.

The other pix show bigger discrepancies. But here's a really dumb question: Did the Egyptians ever draw children?

Maybe they weren't very good at depicting the differences in proportion with children. We can see they weren't very good at showing different facial features. The people in their drawings all look pretty much the same.

The discussion is questioning exactly when and where the giants walked the Earth. But we know children walked the Earth!

[Spectrum]

Did the Egyptians ever draw children?

They did indeed. Here's an example:



EGYPT MURAL 2ND-1ST MILL.BCE
Anhour Khaou, chief builder at Thebes, seated with his wife (earring) and grandchildren, gently holding a lock of one of the granddaughters. Wallpainting in Anhour Khaou's tomb, carved 10 m below ground level in the cemetery of Deir el-Medina, Thebes, Egypt.

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I don't think that poor bird on the left is having much fun.

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Akhenaten, Nefertiti and their children

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Akhenaten's elongated skull, as observed from his supposed mummy, also raises many questions. Here we can see that the child on the left also has the elongated skull. The bodies of these infants also don't look like childrens' bodies to me.

[Monica]

worldwide archaeological evidence of colossal skeletal remains.

I know there are a handful of skulls with an elongated shape, as well as at least one with a rounder, slightly larger shape (that looks alien), but I wasn't aware of any colossal skeletal remains. (Although there was a picture submitted to a photoshop contest...I doubt that this is what you are referring to.) Can you provide some links to these colossal skeletons? Thanks.

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Did the Egyptians ever draw children?

They did indeed. Here's an example:

This supports my point. These 'children' look the same as the others in the other pix...there is nothing to indicate that they are children. They lack the proper proportion of a child's body. Apparently some historian decided that the figures in this pic are children. But how do we know that the figures in the other pix aren't also children? There's no way to know by looking at them.

Also, the large figures in this latest pic are much, much larger, proportionately, than the large figures in other pix. If we are to trust the size, then that would indicate that there was not only 1 species of giants, but multiple, of varying sizes...some maybe 8 feet tall, some 12 feet tall, some 20 feet tall, etc.

[Spectrum]

I know there are a handful of skulls with an elongated shape, as well as at least one with a rounder, slightly larger shape (that looks alien),

Yeah those are the South American ones. Scary!

but I wasn't aware of any colossal skeletal remains. (Although there was a picture submitted to a photoshop contest...I doubt that this is what you are referring to.) Can you provide some links to these colossal skeletons? Thanks.

I know there are a few photoshop hoaxes going around, very good ones! I'll stick to archaeological findings and museum artefacts when I provide those.

[kycahi]

Out here in Silicon Valley we say, "This is a religious argument," meaning that neither side will change the other's mind. We use it when, say, one party thinks that a computer mouse should have one button and another says two or three. Both have good points and neither will budge.

That's what I see between Unity and Spectrum, both of whom are noble in their intents.

We in this forum accept the information from Ra, while also agreeing they might have gotten a few bits wrong here and there, due to communication issues.

Let's agree that every human has an ego, which is necessary for life, and move on. :idea:

[Monica]

I know there are a few photoshop hoaxes going around, very good ones! I'll stick to archaeological findings and museum artefacts when I provide those.

Great! I would definitely be interested in those. It was hard enough to find museum references to the elongated skulls. I admit I'm very skeptical of finding any museum references to 'giant' skeletons.

What do you think about the possibility that some of the smaller figures in the art were simply children? And my observation that the 'giants' were of varying sizes?

[Spectrum]

Out here in Silicon Valley we say, "This is a religious argument," meaning that neither side will change the other's mind. We use it when, say, one party thinks that a computer mouse should have one button and another says two or three. Both have good points and neither will budge.

That's what I see between Unity and Spectrum, both of whom are noble in their intents.

We in this forum accept the information from Ra, while also agreeing they might have gotten a few bits wrong here and there, due to communication issues.

Let's agree that every human has an ego, which is necessary for life, and move on. :idea:

At this point I just want to run away from this thread and pretend it never happened. In truth, I couldn't actually care whether the Anak made their first appearance in Timbuktu, Papua New Guinea or Australia.

For me it's enought to know that it happened somewhere in the Middle East 3600 years ago, and that is when Orion first made serious inroads on the planetary consciousness with the formation of the holy war concept. The rest I can piece together myself.

I mentioned right in the beginning that the exact location isn't all that important:

The precisely exact location of Yahweh’s physical contact with the third density mind/body/spirit complexes under discussion doesn’t bear much importance with regard to the undeniable unfortunate result of that physical contact, neither does the precisely exact location bear much importance with regard to the deeper, philosophical understanding of the Law of One.

Unity100 insisted that we proceed, and here we are days later, it has become quite ugly, I apologized half way through, but that apology was apparently not accepted, and the sky is still green.

People have religious biases and it would appear as if I have stepped on a religious bias, so I don't anticipate for the tension to ease.

It's not all in vain though, since this thread has made my mind go to places where it might not have gone otherwise, which resulted in a few new realizations.

[Monica]

Unity100 insisted that we proceed, and here we are days later, it has become quite ugly, I apologized half way through, but that apology was apparently not accepted, and the sky is still green.

Thank you for your apology, Spectrum!

We are discussing some deep issues here, some of which might be verifiable by historical and archeological records, but even then, those records are subject to interpretation. One person might interpret the sky as green, while another interprets it as blue. The fact that the vast majority of humans interpret the sky as blue doesn't make it blue, since majorities have been wrong before (like when they all thought the Earth was flat). We can all learn from the perspectives of others.

In any deep discussion, it takes 2 to participate. One person can insist that another participate; we each choose whether and how to respond.

As someone who is completely ignorant of history, I enjoyed the exchange and am still interested in the museum records of 'collossal' skeletons that you mentioned. After having seen Nassim's analysis of the elongated skulls, I find the subject fascinating. If you would be willing to post that, or pm me privately, I would appreciate it!

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Thank you for your apology, Spectrum!

Thank you, Bring4th_Monica.

We are discussing some deep issues here

That's is true, and this particular issue is the most sensitive issue on the planet, apparently there is a lot at stake.

It is impossible to piece together an objective truth as much as we are able to, if there are biases involved. It is however possible to do this in an atmosphere of goodwill, which isn't the case here. There are good intentioned people who are trying to "leave no stone unturned", with sincerity.

, some of which might be verifiable by historical and archaeological records, but even then, those records are subject to interpretation. One person might interpret the sky as green, while another interprets it as blue.

There is an objective truth, but it requires dedication, and leaving biases at the door. We are not the first people who have shown interest in this matter, there are many researchers who have laboured on this.

The fact that the vast majority of humans interpret the sky as blue doesn't make it blue, since majorities have been wrong before (like when they all thought the Earth was flat). We can all learn from the perspectives of others.

Remember what happened to those who proposed that the earth is round? They were considered heretics, because it contradicted the official doctrine of the day. I guess they were the conspiracy theorists / whistle blowers of the day, and to this day there are still those who say the earth is flat:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_Earth_Society

As someone who is completely ignorant of history, I enjoyed the exchange and am still interested in the museum records of 'collossal' skeletons that you mentioned. After having seen Nassim's analysis of the elongated skulls, I find the subject fascinating. If you would be willing to post that, or pm me privately, I would appreciate it!

The colossal skeletal remains is an area of archaeology which is very sensitive, because it (together with other archaeological finds) contradicts the officially accepted doctrine of the day, the evolutionary theory being taught in schools around the world, that we are the descendants of apes, together with some other revelations which are not beneficial to 'certain interests'.

I have gathered material, which I will PM you. If you would take the time to read Forbidden Archaeology, http://www.amazon.com/Forbidden-Archeolo...782&sr=8-1, you will see how the knowledge filtration works to preserve orthodox beliefs and bury contradictory evidence.

There are many covert, ‘not so good intentioned’ agendas at play:

Ra: I am Ra. The technology your peoples possess at this time is capable of
resolving each and every limitation which plagues your social memory
complex at this present nexus of experience. However, the concerns of some
of your beings with distortions towards what you would call powerful
energy cause these solutions to be withheld until the solutions are so needed
that those with the distortion can then become further distorted in the
direction of power.

Ra: I am Ra. We can speak only in metaphor. Some love the light. Some
love the darkness. It is a matter of the unique and infinitely various Creator
choosing and playing among its experiences as a child upon a picnic. Some
enjoy the picnic and find the sun beautiful, the food delicious, the games
refreshing, and glow with the joy of creation. Some find the night delicious,
their picnic being pain, difficulty, sufferings of others, and the examination
of the perversities of nature. These enjoy a different picnic.
All these experiences are available. It is the free will of each entity which
chooses the form of play, the form of pleasure.

I am still busy integrating the Ra teachings with other information I have gathered.

I am quite relieved to leave this thread, because all this hostility is not beneficial to my constitution.

Regarding the Hebrew bible, it is not very difficult to establish who the source of the 'divine inspiration' was. Eyes open!

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The Name Yahweh in Egyptian Hieroglyphic Texts:

http://www.assistnews.net/Stories/2010/s10010053.htm

And a link expanding on who the Shasu of Yahweh was, mentioned in the hieroglyphs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shasu

And another interesting article about the Exodus, the hieroglyphs and the Shasu:

http://www.lifebite.co.uk/index.php/home...he_exodus/

Also significant is that Shasu of Yahweh is a term that first appears in Egyptian inscriptions of the 18th and 19th Dynasties (c. 1540-1190 B.C.), which corresponds exactly with Ra's date 3600 years ago when Yahweh "walked among them".

this was a series of encounters in which the
ones called Anak were impregnated with the new genetic coding by your
physical complex means so that the organisms would be larger and stronger.

So the Anakims were first regular size, before this event, which should be kept in mind whenever they're mentioned, and then I also wonder if the offspring of all the Anakims were large, or if just a portion of them were targeted.