Entities from Orion

[unity100]

i think that crimson's approach here is clear, clean and sharp, the expression of blue is strong and liberating. it is also pinpoint and true.

[Crown]

Stop looking outside yourself. Use the tools, ie reading Ra material or whatever material. Meditate. Seek inside - what resonates and what not, and why. Be honest with yourself. Don't be afraid.

Thank you.

[Monica]

It is Carla's wish (and, I daresay, Ra's!) that the Law of One not be made into a dogma, cult, or religion, or that it be imposed on anyone. On the few occasions that this has been attempted, action was taken. This forum will not allow that to happen.

The above seem to be some kind of desire to control. In true STO spirit it would rather be that if some student of LOO would want to start any kind of Ra church they would be allowed to do that. I am not questioning Carla's decision here,

They certainly can do that if they wish. Just not here at Bring4th.

just discussing the STO path and if there are any boundaries where acceptance is not longer offered.

Acceptance doesn't mean anything goes.

If I see a pedophile about to molest a child, I will do everything I can to stop him. I will love, forgive and accept him as part of the Creator, but I won't accept his action. In fact, as an STO entity, I feel I have a responsibility to stop the pedophile, if possible. If I don't, then the catalyst is wasted. I can simultaneously stop him from harming the child, and love and accept him.

Doing nothing would actually be depolarizing.

Likewise, I can love and accept those who might try to turn the Law of One into a religion. That doesn't mean I have to participate in what they do.

[Etude in B Minor]

I think the STS offer us the "gift" of fear and the STO give us the "gift" of hope.

Why "gift"? In the case of fear it is a gift because accepting it (giving into fear) pushes one towards making the choice to be STS, becoming full of anger and hate toward those whom we fear. Getting pressured and fed up with it all pushes us to watch out for ourselves. Accepting the gift of hope or faith, on the other hand, reassures us that we are on the right track, that all will be well, and pushes us to keep striving to work towards our dreams, working with others and for others to accomplish this.

This is the density of choice after all, and we are given gifts which help to make the choice. It just depends on which gifts we accept.

[Ankh]

Crimson, thank you, man! I think your logic is so great that I'll adopt it for myself! When white men killed all those indians – it wasn't them! No! It was the "elite" – that evil king! He must have left his castle in a magical way, cloned himself into million small pieces, flew over Atlantic Ocean and killed those poor indians. And every time a SS soldier tortured a jew to death – it wasn't him! Because Hitler told him to do that. And we all know that Hitler is an evil STS force! Ra told us that he is, so what did that poor SS soldier was supposed to do? He didn't have any choice or free will, no. He needed to follow his orders! Because it is the elite that rules the world, right?

But I am sorry, I have been working too much lately, so I must have missed the latest news where they told us that from now on we humans are all innocent to our actions. From now on we don't have any choice or free will. We are all puppets in big cosmic puppets show ruled by an evil Lucifer! Or look! This is even better! Lucifer must have clumbed out his cage in this last 30 years, turned himself in a magical way from that big black beast with horns into millions people that in this present moment making a choice to harm others self! Yes! Good thinking! Let's do that for another 75000 more years, please, since it's been working so good this far! "It's not my fault! It's somebody elses! They told me to do that!" What the heck do I need that mumble jumble Ra material for!? I don't need to work with myself! I have nothing to do with any of it! I can just relax, turn on TV and see all that evil in the world! It's not me doing it, right??? I am a nice little angel that is not capable to hurt others self. I am only trapped in this body and every time I hurt other self it's not me! It's Lucifer!

Last time I checked it was humans doing that to humans! Stop blaming others self! Or do we solve this problem now by saying that it's magical beings from Orion doing all that? Yes! Poor us! What are we going to do now?!! We can't do anything! We are completly bound by our hands and feet by all this evil magical forces and have nothing to do with anything! Yes, good thinking, man! Makes it much easier for me now! I think I'll skip the working with myself part now, put Ra material back into the shelf and go and party! Since I am a little angel uncapable of evil, right?

Sorry for harsh words, brother! I am not joking now – I love you, and ask you to reconsider your thinking. Namasté

[Crimson]

Crimson, thank you, man! I think your logic is so great that I'll adopt it for myself! When white men killed all those indians – it wasn't them! No! It was the "elite" – that evil king! He must have left his castle in a magical way, cloned himself into million small pieces, flew over Atlantic Ocean and killed those poor indians. And every time a SS soldier tortured a jew to death – it wasn't him! Because Hitler told him to do that. And we all know that Hitler is an evil STS force! Ra told us that he is, so what did that poor SS soldier was supposed to do? He didn't have any choice or free will, no. He needed to follow his orders! Because it is the elite that rules the world, right?

When I write "you" I refer mostly to any advanced (-) entity on others to you per se Ankh.
Those examples are well fall apart in historical reasons and motivations, circumstances, capitalism stage, imperialistic motives, elite motives different and earth still yellow activated for the most part.

I would take to take in consideration the following variables/binaries: nature vs nurture, individual vs group/society (even beginning of social memory complex), activation of yellow vs green ray, planet as sub-sub-logos.

Indeed it is a unsolvable dichotomy (at least for planet Earth) so solve the paradox of individual vs social memory complex (even in early stages) during yellow ray activation (not even the negative --as a global dictatorship...thankfully).

It seems to me you take nature and blame nature form the actions that you skewed from nurture. Moreover, you pretend to seek an outcome that is positive for your actions even though the actions are not conductive of producing + yellow energy while in 3rd density. It is almost like demanding your dog to love love you and other dogs by providing the environment to teach them to fight and be mean to each other. You are enslaving the dog but you are not providing choices. It seems that you seek to polarize yourself only and the "choice" given is: "yeah but you can always kill yourself if you don't like it"...

Ra did not need all this suffering in the first place to progress. In fact, polarity was inclined to be discovered via sexuality as well if I remember.

Then here at the end of the 3rd cycle for 3rd density and per Ra, planet goes to green ray activation in spite of all this negativity which is a GREAT accomplishment.
Why to stop the chosen progression at the end of this cycle?

Encouraging harvest would be at this point to abandon the planet (by -'s) and let the remaining 3ray activity to have the opportunity to be in balance with the planet's decision. But you are seeking to polarize only a few of you by trying to keep smashing others. You are asking othes to polarize "towards the positive" by keeping them blocked at the red/orange level. With that environment, most probably a yellow (-) would be accomplished if the entity is successful in polarizing enough.

Infringement of free will is serious especially at a planetary scale and I think that we need to reconsider the way the Logos makes 'The Choice" available..maybe by exquisite pre-incarnational arrangements or even a not so damaging sexual polarization.

But I am sorry, I have been working too much lately, so I must have missed the latest news where they told us that from now on we humans are all innocent to our actions. From now on we don't have any choice or free will. We are all puppets in big cosmic puppets show ruled by an evil Lucifer! Or look! This is even better! Lucifer must have clumbed out his cage in this last 30 years, turned himself in a magical way from that big black beast with horns into millions people that in this present moment making a choice to harm others self! Yes! Good thinking! Let's do that for another 75000 more years, please, since it's been working so good this far! "It's not my fault! It's somebody elses! They told me to do that!" What the heck do I need that mumble jumble Ra material for!? I don't need to work with myself! I have nothing to do with any of it! I can just relax, turn on TV and see all that evil in the world! It's not me doing it, right??? I am a nice little angel that is not capable to hurt others self. I am only trapped in this body and every time I hurt other self it's not me! It's Lucifer!

Last time I checked it was humans doing that to humans! Stop blaming others self! Or do we solve this problem now by saying that it's magical beings from Orion doing all that? Yes! Poor us! What are we going to do now?!! We can't do anything! We are completly bound by our hands and feet by all this evil magical forces and have nothing to do with anything! Yes, good thinking, man! Makes it much easier for me now! I think I'll skip the working with myself part now, put Ra material back into the shelf and go and party! Since I am a little angel uncapable of evil, right?

Sorry for harsh words, brother! I am not joking now – I love you, and ask you to reconsider your thinking. Namasté

You claim to want to produce positive Harvest but you provide conditions that lead to the opposite or to repeating 3rd density...or even pushing densities to lower rays in the hope that the planet will polarize towards the (-) via repression/dictatorship and prevent green ray which you think is absurd.

[native]

Ankh, I read the entire thread..you haven't stated exactly what is it that you hope to achieve for the 3d entities and how we go about achieving it? I think this is the area of misunderstanding. You have explained your approach partly by saying that we need to become unified in our thoughts, by looking within and embracing acceptance. I think that's understood.

But we are in 3d. A heavily veiled 3d in fact, in which concepts of unity are hard to be seen by 3d entities. It sounds like you are saying the answer to a 3d situation is completely a 6d approach. How is this possible? 4d wouldn't even do that, because the material tells us that in time/space 4d engages in a thought war by not accepting enslavement to keep the Orion Federation from enslaving the Confederation. And aren't we moving towards 4d?

How is it possible to get 3d entities to polarize on a 6d level being able to engulf negative energy and transform it positively? It isn't possible.

We create change in 3d by refusing to be manipulated, in that way we lessen their polarity and positively polarize the planet. We do this by loving one another, acting in harmony towards the goal of equality, and refusing to participate in activities that create enslavement.

We should always provide messages of love, wisdom, and unity, but we also need to act accordingly to the situation we find ourselves in.

[unity100]

Last time I checked it was humans doing that to humans! Stop blaming others self! Or do we solve this problem now by saying that it's magical beings from Orion doing all that? Yes! Poor us! What are we going to do now?!! We can't do anything! We are completly bound by our hands and feet by all this evil magical forces and have nothing to do with anything! Yes, good thinking, man! Makes it much easier for me now! I think I'll skip the working with myself part now, put Ra material back into the shelf and go and party! Since I am a little angel uncapable of evil, right?

Sorry for harsh words, brother! I am not joking now – I love you, and ask you to reconsider your thinking. Namasté

lets put it into a sharp blunt context :

less aware entities commiting acts of brutality after being coerced/encouraged by negatively polarized entities, does not change the fact that the originator of the momentum, the pusher, is the entity giving that encouragement or doing that coercion.

a 2d entity does not have the awareness to be able to perceive things and make conscious choices.

it is probably precisely why negative entities seek planets that have not sufficiently developed, and attempt to conquer them before they reach sufficient awareness.

its basically herding animals. 2d consciousness is herdable and conditionable, and therefore, they seek such worlds - in 3d and able to understand concepts, but, either fresh into it so that they are not aware of yellow ray intricacies yet, and/or falling back to orange ray patterns.

precisely that - innocence stops when you move into 3d. however, you are basically still an 2d entity when you just moved into 3d. you are an aware entity with your own self and able to make choices, but you are naive in those choices and deceivable.

this is what is whoppingly wrong with the 'free will' understanding in this galaxy - an entity making past the cutline for self awareness at the end of 2d, should not, at any point, be exposed to influences of manipulators from outside, until it matures up to a sufficient point. think - you are fresh in 3d, but, entities 2 densities (and tens of millions of years ahead) of you are able to contact and manipulate you. that is exceedingly wrong.

that is the point here.

think - if you condition a herd of animals, they will get conditioned. there is no free will in this. its a programming, its a mechanic, its something that should not be allowed.

crimson's approach is spot on in this case.

had this been a planet that was nearing the end of 3d, without orange ray fallbacks throughout all his history and now, your approach would be correct, IF, they were doing things with your own will, even if being persuaded by external influences - as long as the external influences were allowed to only use the strength of their spirit to influence others - not using any kind of tool or technology.

then, anyone could say, 'well, that entity did that on his/her own free will and desires'.

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that being said, ankh, it feels as if you are going through a particular issue/problem/situation in your daily life, creating various side effects like these ponderings. if so, why dont you bring the issue in all its plainness and all facets, so that we all can look into whats going on ?

[yossarian]

The thing about HH is that he pretty much just copies the Ra Material word for word in 95% of his stuff.

Then he adds in like 2 paragraphs explaining how his group is better than everyone else.

It's pretty much "Ra Material is true and my group is better than all of you. We are enlightened you are not."

I think it's very likely that the stuff about how Lucifer is special and how his group is 6th density and special is just a manipulative lie given to him by his handlers. It's a simple way to control someone, with a lie about how they are special. It appeals to the ego in every human and could easily ensnare someone who is having spiritual experiences due to his family's spiritual traditions.

So really I don't understand the controversy about HH. Seems like a classic case of a negative person giving 95% good info and 5% poor info.

P.S. I wish I knew what you guys are arguing about. You seem to pretty much agree with each other. Only difference is Anhk wants to emphasize mercy for the offenders while unity100 wants to emphasize justice.

[unity100]

in the initial stages of this thread, there had been some cases of arguing for 'interestingness' of the hh material, and possibility of what they are telling to be true. all the ensuing discussions, developed from that particular core.

[yossarian]

I think it's possible that he could be telling the truth as he sees it.

But that's different from "the truth" of course :]

[Crimson]

that being said, ankh, it feels as if you are going through a particular issue/problem/situation in your daily life, creating various side effects like these ponderings. if so, why dont you bring the issue in all its plainness and all facets, so that we all can look into whats going on ?

I agree. I certainly hope you are doing well, Ankh.

Talking about what unity100 said about herding, etc...reminded me of a speech Che gave once about "bestiality and imperialism"; even when awareness is deep and according to latest comments it is "necessary" for Orions to be negative (although I understand about influencing only at spirit level) free will allows to defend yourself.

I know there are some members that won't like this etc...but I think he makes a valid point.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n92RRrjnx60&feature=fvst

Hahahah at the end of this clip he could not find the right word and said a Mexican mannerism that sounded funny, you can see him smiling to himself...

Anyway, just to corroborate the "nurture" aspect of this argument.

[AndresOr]

I think i understand ankh, i think he has so much love in his heart, that he finds very hard to accept that an entity to be really negative, i relate to this concept, because i always trust people entirely, but then i realize, that there are people that wants to steal from me, to take advantange, and they dont really care about me (although i know that they are confuse), so it has been very hard for me to find the balance in this situation, as some other had said this is 3d, the choice, it would a time to work in another areas, it is good to understand, that there are situation that we will never understand in 3d, that it is why we progress to 4d. 5d, 6d... Love

Sorry for my english...

[Ankh]

that being said, ankh, it feels as if you are going through a particular issue/problem/situation in your daily life, creating various side effects like these ponderings. if so, why dont you bring the issue in all its plainness and all facets, so that we all can look into whats going on ?

Thank you for your concern. I am doing fine now, maybe even better than everage people.

I understand what you and Crimson are saying, but would have to agree in disagreeing. I am with you regarding 2D/early 3D stage of progress, but we are not there, we are in 3rd 3D cycle. It's Harvest time! And my viewpoint has been stated. It's time to stop blaming others, it's time to look inside the self and polarize, and all outside parts are feeding us right now with catalysts to make that choice.

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Ankh, I read the entire thread..you haven't stated exactly what is it that you hope to achieve for the 3d entities and how we go about achieving it? I think this is the area of misunderstanding. You have explained your approach partly by saying that we need to become unified in our thoughts, by looking within and embracing acceptance. I think that's understood.

Basically, it is like this - you get the gun in your hand by the so called "elites" and are asked to kill. Either you say "no, I won't kill my brother" or you say "sure, that's the order. I have to kill the "enemy"." But most of us here have allready progressed beyond that stage. We are now in the last 3D life and it's all about that little life. As I stated so many times before, it's about using the tools that the united front so hard provide us with right now. Either you watch TV and say "woaw, I am not doing all that" or you turn off that TV and look at your self, life you living and surrounding others self and use the catalysts/tools. If it would be about doing something about the so called "elites" you would be born among them and would have the ability to affect it. But you are not, are you? Don't forget to enjoy the ride.

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free will allows to defend yourself.

Not sure that I entirely understood you there, brother, but I will have to go ahead and take this quote to illuminate what I mean - "defend" the self, or, in my case, release the self, be completly honest with the self and admit what's there. Then balance it - and make the choice of what beneficial and what's not on your current path back to the Creator, according to your higher complex. I am not doing that using the intellectual, it's just there once you find that sacred place where your Higher Self resides.

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he finds very hard to accept that an entity to be really negative

I embrace the Creator for making that choice, and also for sacrificing the self for teach/learning experiencies.

i relate to this concept, because i always trust people entirely, but then i realize, that there are people that wants to steal from me, to take advantange, and they dont really care about me (although i know that they are confuse), so it has been very hard for me to find the balance in this situation, as some other had said this is 3d, the choice, it would a time to work in another areas, it is good to understand, that there are situation that we will never understand in 3d, that it is why we progress to 4d. 5d, 6d... Love

Sorry for my english...

There are also people that care about you, love you and you need to make a choice if you want to work with the self by using tools provided to you or not by both sides. I see these sides as one united front. It's time to wake up and also find love, acceptance and trust in the self by your self. If that made any sense to you

[AndresOr]

I agree with you about that, i have always have love for everybody, always, but the situation for me have been backwards, i needed to understand polarity, that not everybody feel and think the same way about sharing and care for everybody, because when i started to gain more awareness about everything, i also start to see my shadow side and people's also, and then my heart was hurt because i thought that everybody felt the same that i did, and only the understanding that polarity existed, and i don't mean only in STO and STS, but polarity en states of mind and hearts and that it was ok, that i could find some peace...

I understand the desire of wanting that everybody (human or et) could all get along a be friendly, but something this situation is not posible, and i thing this also a lesson to learn:

67.3 Questioner: I will ask if I am correct in this analysis. We would consider that the entity making this so-called attack is offering its service with respect to its distortion in our polarized condition now so that we may more fully appreciate its polarity, and we are appreciative of the fact and thank this entity for its attempt to serve our One Creator in bringing to us knowledge in, shall I say, a more complete sense. Is this correct?
Ra: I am Ra. There is no correctness or incorrectness to your statement. It is an expression of a positively polarized and balanced view of negatively polarized actions which has the effect of debilitating the strength of the negatively polarized actions.

67.4 Questioner: We would welcome the services of the entity who uses, and I will use the misnomer attack, since I do not consider this an attack but an offering of service, and we welcome this offering of service, but we would be able, I believe, to make more full use of the services if they were not physically disabling the instrument in a minor way. For with a greater physical ability she would be able to more appreciate the service. We would greatly appreciate it if the service was carried on in some manner which we could welcome in even greater love than at present. This, I assume, would be some service that would not include the dizzying effect......

67.8 Questioner: In order for this group to remain fully in service to the Creator, since we recognize this fifth-density entity as the Creator, we must also attempt to serve in any way we can, this entity. Is it possible for you to communicate to us the desires of this entity if there are any in addition to us simply ceasing the reception and dissemination of that which you provide?
Ra: I am Ra. This entity has two desires. The first and foremost is to, shall we say, misplace one or more of this group in a negative orientation so that it may choose to be of service along the path of service to self. The objective which must precede this is the termination of the physical complex viability of one of this group while the mind/body/spirit complex is within a controllable configuration. May we say that although we of Ra have limited understanding, it is our belief that sending this entity love and light, which each of the group is doing, is the most helpful catalyst which the group may offer to this entity.

67.9 Questioner: We find a—I’m sorry. Please continue.
Ra: I am Ra. We were about to note that this entity has been as neutralized as possible in our estimation by this love offering and thus its continued presence is perhaps the understandable limit for each polarity of the various views of service which each may render to the other.

So i understand what you are saying, Don, Jim and Carla make a great example in using the tools you mentioned, however Don keeps asking about how to be of service of this entity, Ra replies:

67.26 Questioner: Then there is no other service at this time that we can offer that fifth-density entity of the Orion group who is constantly with us. As I see it now from your point of view there is nothing that we can do for him? Is this correct?
Ra: I am Ra. This is correct. There is great humor in your attempt to be of polarized service to the opposite polarity. There is a natural difficulty in doing so since what you consider service is considered by this entity non-service. As you send this entity love and light and wish it well it loses its polarity and needs to regroup.

Thus it would not consider your service as such. On the other hand, if you allowed it to be of service by removing this instrument from your midst you might perhaps perceive this as not being of service. You have here a balanced and polarized view of the Creator; two services offered, mutually rejected, and in a state of equilibrium in which free will is preserved and each allowed to go upon its own path of experiencing the One Infinite Creator.

67.27 Questioner: Thank you. In closing that part of the discussion I would just say that if there is anything that we can do that is within our ability—and I understand that there are many things such as the ones that you just mentioned that are not within our ability—that we could do for this particular entity, if you would in the future communicate its requests to us we will at least consider them because we would like to serve in every respect. Is this agreeable to you?
Ra: I am Ra. We perceive that we have not been able to clarify your service versus its desire for service. You need, in our humble opinion, to look at the humor of the situation and relinquish your desire to serve where no service is requested. The magnet will attract or repel. Glory in the strength of your polarization and allow others of opposite polarity to similarly do so, seeing the great humor of this polarity and its complications in view of the unification in sixth-density of these two paths.

And there are other example when Ra talked about of why 4 density, still fight agains others that tried to enslaved them, and how they both lose polariy, because one group can't control the other, and how the other group can't accept been enslaved as a form of service. I think this situation is a really hard breaking, but it is also necessary in the evolution of mind/body/spirit.... there are many lesson to learn, love is very complex to understand, that is why 4d, 5d, 6d are take longer to understand, because the complexity of the creation expands with no veil.

Peace and again sorry for my english

[Ankh]

Ankh, I read the entire thread..you haven't stated exactly what is it that you hope to achieve for the 3d entities and how we go about achieving it? I think this is the area of misunderstanding. You have explained your approach partly by saying that we need to become unified in our thoughts, by looking within and embracing acceptance. I think that's understood.

But we are in 3d. A heavily veiled 3d in fact, in which concepts of unity are hard to be seen by 3d entities. It sounds like you are saying the answer to a 3d situation is completely a 6d approach. How is this possible? 4d wouldn't even do that, because the material tells us that in time/space 4d engages in a thought war by not accepting enslavement to keep the Orion Federation from enslaving the Confederation. And aren't we moving towards 4d?

How is it possible to get 3d entities to polarize on a 6d level being able to engulf negative energy and transform it positively? It isn't possible.

We create change in 3d by refusing to be manipulated, in that way we lessen their polarity and positively polarize the planet. We do this by loving one another, acting in harmony towards the goal of equality, and refusing to participate in activities that create enslavement.

We should always provide messages of love, wisdom, and unity, but we also need to act accordingly to the situation we find ourselves in.

Derek, good post. I've been thinking about what you said regarding 3D/4D/6D approach. The thing is – and that's my opinion – I think that it's unwise to maintain thoughts of separation between STS and STO, because when you do this – you hide the self from the self. Don asked Ra once why he was opened to negatively oriented signals, and Ra asked him back: "Are you not all things?". I guess that Ra meant that you are. When thought of not being of service is acknowledged, understood and accepted – which is very hard – it can be balanced in a true, deeper, level. That thought helps you to relate and understand all parts of Creator, although you choose different path. That acknowledgement makes it hard and almost impossible to judge or even think negatively about counterparts – because you understand all from within.

With that being said, I think that it's also about balance of being of service to others and service to self at the same time. If we take that 5D- entity in Dons and Carlas example, it was about balancing what was beneficial for them and what was not on their current path, before they decided if they wanted to be of that kind of service that was requested by 5D-. The service to the other self, ie 5D-, was therefore rejected for the benefit of service to the self. You need to find out who you are and what you want before you can be of true service to others, otherwise you can become a slave, and will be run over.

It is also about knowing the self regarding 4D. If you want to be of service to 3D entities by becoming some kind of 4D guardian as an example, and it's your turn to receive an entity that was mostly of STS nature during its life. Can you be of total support and show nothing but love, compassion and mercy to that entity without judgemental thoughts on any levels of your consciousness/subconciousness, radiating only pure love and light? Completly understanding and embracing that enitity from within and help it to heal? Is it possible to achieve still in 3D? I don't know. Maybe I am wrong and I work too hard with the self, but I do that because I don't recognize thought of separation between polarities in the way I described. The creation, ie you, is not either this or that, it's both, intertwined in a very perfect dynamic complex. But I think that I got it regarding that choice/choose polarity part when it comes to intention and actions. It's been confusing to me though.

[native]

I agree with you, Ankh. There are no thoughts of separation. Philosophically we all agree on the topic of unity.

Sts is on its own path. This is the density of choice..unity comes later. No matter how much you love them or come to understand their purpose within the self, they still proceed down their own path. Andres highlighted the 5d neg conversation above and it shows how even the act of loving them is seen as a disservice by them. Love them, of course..I'm not saying not to. Accept others as the self by loving, but you also need to balance that with wisdom as you say.

The issues that others are trying to relate are everyday practical situations involving the overall picture for the 3d entities. For the benefit of 3d positive, we must understand that there are two paths being played out, and we can't let the sts path go unchecked. Because it's about balancing love with wisdom. I just think what each is trying to say is being misunderstood, but there is agreement in here.