Where do 3rd density negative entities go to study how to polarize more negative??

[JJCarsonian]

Hello guys

I'm a little curious about the spirit world after we die. I've read many case studies from Dr. Newton through hypnotherapy, and he mentions that the spirit world is full of love and compassion. He also mentions that he's never come across a case study that suggests otherwise.

My question is, for a negative entity, where do they go to study and prepare for their next life? Do they go to the same spirit world, where they are taught to be more negative? I think someone mentioned that negative entities don't go back to the spirit world, but they hang around the Earth's astral planes waiting to incarnate again.

Anyone have insight into this process?

[Cyan]

Far as I can tell, and this is just musings.

STO's hang around with a perfected dream like state with their friends and relatives

STS's hang out with God

Neither is really "bad".

[JJCarsonian]

Far as I can tell, and this is just musings.

STO's hang around with a perfected dream like state with their friends and relatives

STS's hang out with God

Neither is really "bad".

Huh? Where did you get this info?

[Louisabell]

My question is, for a negative entity, where do they go to study and prepare for their next life?  Do they go to the same spirit world, where they are taught to be more negative?  I think someone mentioned that negative entities don't go back to the spirit world, but they hang around the Earth's astral planes waiting to incarnate again.

Anyone have insight into this process?

What you suggest sounds similar to the NDE account of Howard Storm.



Also Scott Mandelker gives a thorough and interesting analysis of what Howard Storm says in the context of the Ra material. The playlist can be found on his YouTube channel TWSMandelker

What I took from it is that negative entities run from the light because it is the light of unity, which torments them with awareness of what they've done/become, so they choose to hang out in astral planes that are metaphysically dark.

Howard doesn't go into this, but I assume there are social structures there containing negative teachers that help with reincarnation. I also assume that most pre-incarnation planning are soul contracts, so that the right souls are born into the right families, then have designated marriages, business relationships, etc, so that power can be maximised while living.  

[xise]

Howard doesn't go into this, but I assume there are social structures there containing negative teachers that help with reincarnation. I also assume that most pre-incarnation planning are soul contracts, so that the right souls are born into the right families, then have designated marriages, business relationships, etc, so that power can be maximised while living.  

54.22 Questioner: Would a negatively oriented entity do anything like this? Could you give me an example?

Ra: I am Ra. A negatively oriented individual mind/body/spirit complex will ordinarily program for wealth, ease of existence, and the utmost opportunity for power. Thus many negative entities burst with the physical complex distortion you call health.

However, a negatively oriented entity may choose a painful condition in order to improve the distortion toward the so-called negative emotive mentations such as anger, hatred, and frustration. Such an entity may use an entire incarnative experience honing a blunt edge of hatred or anger so that it may polarize more towards the negative or separated pole.

54.23 Questioner: Now, it seems that we have prior to incarnation, in any incarnation, as an entity becomes more aware of the process of evolution and has selected a path whether it be positive or negative, at some point the entity becomes aware of what it wants to do with respect to unblocking and balancing energy centers. At that point it is able to program for the life experience those catalytic experiences that will aid it in its process of unblocking and balancing. Is that correct?

Ra: I am Ra. That is correct.

54.19 Questioner: In the case of service-to-self polarization, what type of catalyst would entities following this path program when they reach the level of programming their own catalyst?

Ra: I am Ra. The negatively oriented entity will program for maximal separation from and control over all those things and conscious entities which it perceives as being other than the self.

36.14 Questioner: Was Himmler in any way in contact with his higher self at that time while he was incarnate in the 1940s?

Ra: I am Ra. We remind you that the negative path is one of separation. What is the first separation: the self from the self. The one known as Himmler did not choose to use its abilities of will and polarization to seek guidance from any source but its conscious drives, self-chosen in the life experience and nourished by previous biases created in other life experiences.

[Cyan]

Far as I can tell, and this is just musings.

STO's hang around with a perfected dream like state with their friends and relatives

STS's hang out with God

Neither is really "bad".

Huh? Where did you get this info?

Own experiences, when going to density when negatively polarized I've felt there to be a kind of non sentiently sentient god that just watches, karma it maybe called. While doing so while positive it seems to prefer generating people to talk as its "harsh" to look at non existence while "working".

Own experiences.

[JJCarsonian]

Thanks guys, this is great information!

Cyan - are you negatively polarized or positively polarized? I think your description of STO is if the entity has not built enough consciousness to make its own choices. Once an entity has built up enough consciousness, it goes through a curriculum in learning and healing.

I've read alot of Dr. Newton's books, and he puts patients through past life regression and they describe the learnings that gain the spirit world. He's never discussed the negative entity, though. I'm curious how none of those patients ever come up in his discussions.

[AnthroHeart]

Thanks guys, this is great information!  

Cyan - are you negatively polarized or positively polarized?  I think your description of STO is if the entity has not built enough consciousness to make its own choices. Once an entity has built up enough consciousness, it goes through a curriculum in learning and healing.

I've read alot of Dr. Newton's books, and he puts patients through past life regression and they describe the learnings that gain the spirit world.  He's never discussed the negative entity, though.  I'm curious how none of those patients ever come up in his discussions.

Maybe negative entities wouldn't be the kind to see him.

[anagogy]

Hello guys

I'm a little curious about the spirit world after we die.  I've read many case studies from Dr. Newton through hypnotherapy, and he mentions that the spirit world is full of love and compassion.  He also mentions that he's never come across a case study that suggests otherwise.

My question is, for a negative entity, where do they go to study and prepare for their next life?  Do they go to the same spirit world, where they are taught to be more negative?  I think someone mentioned that negative entities don't go back to the spirit world, but they hang around the Earth's astral planes waiting to incarnate again.

Anyone have insight into this process?

As I said in the other thread. My understanding is that they don't return to the higher planes (too much resounding harmony literally would make them sick). They congregate on the lower echelons of the middle astral planes. In the very low astral planes there is only self, so there is not much interaction with other selves, except only telepathically. One may interact with other selves, but the communication will be very distorted (the 2 experiences may be wildly different with some vague commonalities of experience). The middle astral planes are sort of a middle ground where relatively undistorted communication may happen between selves (much like in our physical world). Animals generally are naturally on the lower astral planes because they return to the group self of their animal collective. Things are only separated to the extent that they identify separately. There is only the illusion of space and time.

In these lower middle areas they use the technology (and they do have nonphysical 'machines' -- energy programs that perform rote computational processes) of these planes to plan out future scenarios. And as long as they are balanced and not out of their gourd (in a negative sense -- very different from 'positive balance'), they are allowed to follow natural incarnative processes and incarnate via the guardians that watch over these processes. They are free to pursue those experiences of darkness they seek (their warped 'picnic').

I've learned this from a variety of books (which i don't remember the titles of sadly), internal dialogs with guides, intuition/remote viewing, and personal experiences with these planes. Take what resonates and discard the rest.

[JJCarsonian]

As I said in the other thread. My understanding is that they don't return to the higher planes (too much resounding harmony literally would make them sick). They congregate on the lower echelons of the middle astral planes. In the very low astral planes there is only self, so there is not much interaction with other selves, except only telepathically. One may interact with other selves, but the communication will be very distorted (the 2 experiences may be wildly different with some vague commonalities of experience). The middle astral planes are sort of a middle ground where relatively undistorted communication may happen between selves (much like in our physical world). Animals generally are naturally on the lower astral planes because they return to the group self of their animal collective. Things are only separated to the extent that they identify separately. There is only the illusion of space and time.

In these lower middle areas they use the technology (and they do have nonphysical 'machines' -- energy programs that perform rote computational processes) of these planes to plan out future scenarios. And as long as they are balanced and not out of their gourd (in a negative sense -- very different from 'positive balance'), they are allowed to follow natural incarnative processes and incarnate via the guardians that watch over these processes. They are free to pursue those experiences of darkness they seek (their warped 'picnic').

I've learned this from a variety of books (which i don't remember the titles of sadly), internal dialogs with guides, intuition/remote viewing, and personal experiences with these planes. Take what resonates and discard the rest.

Thanks for the background. I've always wondered about this, because I've never heard it discussed in Dr. Newton's books, although he has mentioned that some souls create a hell for themselves sometimes in the inner Earth.

What kind of personal experiences do you have on these planes? Are these beings consciously aware of what's going on? Do they know that they are dead and decide that they prefer not to go to the light?

[anagogy]

Are these beings consciously aware of what's going on? Do they know that they are dead and decide that they prefer not to go to the light?

The ones that are negatively polarizing are absolutely conscious of what they are doing. The ones that are unconsciously negative (due to environment mostly -- natives), are not really conscious they are 'dead'. They just dream they are alive, and eventually reincarnate when their higher self decides it wants to put them back into the next incarnation. Some of them know they are dead, and dream they are in the heaven (or hell) they believed in with other souls that believe similarly. There are all kinds of spectrum of conscious to unconscious. I recommend Robert Monroe's books for a better picture of this. And I'm sure Newton had all sorts of weird stuff that came up in his sessions but didn't feel was 'fit' for public consumption (promote confusion) so he left it out of his books. He was trying to present a simple narrative that the public could consume. So naturally, he chose the samples that presented it in the most succinct and simple manner possible.  

[JJCarsonian]

Are these beings consciously aware of what's going on? Do they know that they are dead and decide that they prefer not to go to the light?

The ones that are negatively polarizing are absolutely conscious of what they are doing. The ones that are unconsciously negative (due to environment mostly -- natives), are not really conscious they are 'dead'. They just dream they are alive, and eventually reincarnate when their higher self decides it wants to put them back into the next incarnation. Some of them know they are dead, and dream they are in the heaven (or hell) they believed in with other souls that believe similarly. There are all kinds of spectrum of conscious to unconscious. I recommend Robert Monroe's books for a better picture of this. And I'm sure Newton had all sorts of weird stuff that came up in his sessions but didn't feel was 'fit' for public consumption (promote confusion) so he left it out of his books. He was trying to present a simple narrative that the public could consume. So naturally, he chose the samples that presented it in the most succinct and simple manner possible.  

Very enlightening and thank you for your recommendations.