While Ra's main message is Unity, close behind may be considerations of love and light, and the balance between them.
I feel this should allow for a fairly productive discussion. I shall begin. with a quote.
Attempting a definition of love is difficult. It is here I shall begin:
On 1.4 Ra does one simple definition:
"We spoke to one who heard and understood and was in a position to decree the Law of One. However, the priests and peoples of that era quickly distorted our message, robbing it of the, shall we say, compassion with which unity is informed by its very nature. Since it contains all, it cannot abhor any."
Let us consider Jesus as an example, because Ra says that Jesus was a 4th density wander of the highest sub-octave, and thus serves as an excellent example of love.
He said the basic message of the commandments is to love god, and love others as self.
He is responsible for the sermon on the mount which contains such phrases as "resist not evil" and "turn the other cheek".
He, of course, did not resist evil. Ra tells us:
Thus, Jesus was consciously aware that he would be laying down his life. He certainly followed his own teachings to "Resist not evil", and "Turn the other cheek".
But, Ra says that martyrdom does not contain wisdom, because a martyr, in dieing, then has no further opportunity to serve others.
Indeed, most christian groups do not take the absolutist position and always "Turn the other cheek", and have a variety of qualifications.
But Jesus, as being the fullest example of love, is teaching the basic lesson necessary for those of us in third density to qualify for 4th density.
Note that in the Bhagavad gita, Bhakti, or love, is considered more basic than wisdom satya (truth). In the Islamic Sufi tradition of which Rumi is a part, love is the most basic element.
As Ra says:
Fourth density is one where social-memory complexes are formed. In essence, everyone on a planet communicates telepathically so easily, that a planet acts as single unit.
Fourth density positive itself is one of pure compassion. Fourth density negative is one of pure selfishness, where one will always attempt to manipulate others.
Note that both lack wisdom. There are flaws in intensive love to the point of martyrdom, but there are also flaws in intense selfishness, just consider how many evil people have fallen because they became so greedy/selfish they thought they were invincible, and then get caught because of mistakes.
Ra talks about the battle between 4d positive and negative:
So, when Jesus says to "Turn the other cheek" or "Resist not evil", this would be "purely positive", but "for then though pure it would not be of any consequence, having been placed by the so-called powers of darkness under the heel"
Ok, so we now understand the nature of love. Though the salvation of 3rd density, our density, and thus the essential message that the populace needs, ultimately there are flaws when not balanced with any wisdom, thus wanderers, adepts, and other advanced students will want to consider wisdom/light, as well.
On 43.14 Ra says:
On 16.39 Ra says:
I generally refusal to comment on any issues other than civil liberties or the national security/warfare state. And of course Ra on 34.9 says
3rd density is of course, based on social interactions, thus, the vast majority of people follow politics because they want to belong to a group. These groups do not have any real philosophy behind them other than the maintenance of power.
However, Ra does mention a few political figures, most notably, Lincoln, was was asked about, was a 4th density walk-in. Thomas Jefferson and Benjamin Franklin, names who Ra actually volunteered, were wanderers.
The nature of Jefferson and Benjamin Franklin's work is not specifically mentioned. Rather, it is mentioned only in the larger context of wanderers of the time.
It is obvious how their work concerns free will. They were, after all, liberals (though now would be called classical liberals).
The term liberal, of course, stemming from liberty. Originally, liberals supported both personal and economic freedom.
At this time, of course, The enlightenment was in full swing. The essence of the enlightenment is that, with wisdom alone, everything can be perfected. I divide it into three areas: 1: Man Himself with theories of knowledge and morality, 2: Man's personal freedom and political activities, 3: Man's economic activities.
Figures such as Immanuel Kant wrote on #1, knowledge and morality with (In "Critique of Pure Reason", and "Metaphysics of Morals").
Adam smith wrote on #1 and #2 in "Theory of Moral Sentiments" and of course, "The wealth of nations"
Locke wrote mostly on #1 and #2, founding empiricism in"An essay concerning human understanding", and classical liberalism itself in "Two treatises on government", but he did write a bit on economics, mostly affirming the consensus at the time of the necessity of physical currency for any fair and workable system of national and international trade.
Benjamin Franklin and Thomas Jefferson were born at the height of the enlightenment. Their work was to put into practice many of the ideas which had been circulating.
They both had an extremely wide variety of interests though Franklin was more scientific and literary, and Jefferson more law and philosophical, and influenced most of all, by Locke.
Also interesting, both were deists, which is somewhat an approximation of LOO, far moreso than Christianity, at least.
Ra says the message was about free will. Locke's theory was of course Natural Rights that are inalienable, which everyone is born with, life, liberty, and property.
These, in essence, are simply affirmations of free will.
The bill of rights were specific instantiations of respect of free will.
Yes, Locke included property, and, free market economics were in fact, an absolutely essential part of enlightenment thought.
Yes, RA does talk about money in one of the most interesting passage in the Ra material:
That is, money is not evil in itself, but rather it's existence forced humans to make choices which were not necessary before it existed.
With choice came responsibility. The responsibility to use money to serve others or self. As time passed, humans became more able to understand the concepts of STO/STS. Still, they did not choose, thus the lifespan decreased.
Ra mentions the law of responsibility as well as honor/duty in several other places, and this is a bit difficult to understand, but I feel I may understand it.
In essence, responsibility is the opposite side of the coin of liberty/free will.
In order for freedom to persist, it must be used properly, for serving others. If not, the freedom turns negative.
The enlightenment figures generally emphasized how important it was for people to be educated about their government, and most of all, to be moral.
Benjamin Franklin focuses far more on personal morality such as in books such in poor Richard, while Jefferson of course focuses on liberty, but both recognized the intertwined nature.
Of course, for example, the freedom to, say, have lower taxes and thus have more money and time, is inseparable from the concept of then using that time and money to serve others.
And I would add, insofar as we do have taxes, they should be progressive, as Jefferson was one of the first to support.
Thus, I feel, those who get elected merely promising, say, lower taxes are somewhat STS, exploiting selfishness because they do not include the concept of "your taxes are being lowered, you are thus being given more freedom, in order that you take responsibility to help make society better"
But I digress..
So, what is wisdom?
1. The respect of free will of others.
2. The acceptance of responsibility of every action one takes out of one's own free will.
Yes, pure love also accepts free will. But pure love finds it extremely difficult to accept the free will of those doing actions which one knows are harmful to themselves. That is, they wish stop them. But sometimes one must let people persist and learn from their mistakes.
Ra also says, in 48.6:
Wisdom is also greatly associated with truth and fidelity.
1.Truth, because one must accept responsibility for their actions.
2. Fidelity, because one must accept responsibility for their commitments.
Promises and commitments, are in essence contractual in nature. Government is a contract, called the social contract, and idea formed by locke. One in which ideally, there would be no secrets. Enlightenment figures saw that espionage, assassination, and other forms of secret treachery, conducted by monarchies, as especially repugnant. Note the USA did not have an similar institution until the CIA in 1947. (probably in response to UFO issue, but which sadly is now far beyond that)
Another form of contract are relationships. Marriage is a contract to be faithful with each other.
Ra says that our logos is biased towards being with one partner at a time, so that one may enter a "program of service".
Promiscuity is not necessarily STS, it does not violate free will if both people agree to is a one-night sand or open relationship, but the fidelity inherent in monogamy helps one learn wisdom.
Note that Ra does called marriage "adversary relationships" though.
I personally feel the problem with marriage is 1. People enter into because our laws make it a necessity. 2 People are generally not very religious anymore, and thus the sanctification element has also become meaningless, I mean, who gets an annulment anymore?
Wisdom is also the ray of the co-creator. Why?
Wisdom, or light, allows one to create that which has not existed before. during the enlightenment, huge amounts of new philosophy were created.
But wisdom too, ultimately can be overbalanced.
The philosophies of wisdom, when taken alone and to the extreme, can be just as absolutist as those martyrdom is with love.
One instance, is in Kant's insistence on always and ever tell the truth, even to the point of a murder asking him directions to someone's house (assuming he was forced to say something).
It seems quite absurd that one would not lie here. Sometimes one must keep secrets for a limited time.
Sometimes one must lie, sometimes contracts must be broken, sometimes one falls more in love with another.
To physically prevent another from committing suicide would violating free will.
To be certain, it should always and everywhere be the absolute last resort, but sometimes violence, in self defense, is necessary,
Therefore, ultimately, a balance of wisdom and love must be achieved.
While only love is necessary for 4th density, To balance love and wisdom is the path of the adept.
What is the balance of love and wisdom?
What is faith? To act (love) but pay no regard to physical results of the action (wisdom).
What is mystery? To know (wisdom) without knowing (love).
What is power? When acting (love) to produce exactly the planned/desired effect (wisdom).
What is magic? To act (love) without acting (wisdom). To create an effect without any visible action.
What is free will? Your greatest gift (love). Your greatest responsibility (wisdom).
These are all concepts of adepthood, the balance of love and wisdom.
I feel this should allow for a fairly productive discussion. I shall begin. with a quote.
Quote:70.22 Questioner: I am sorry to ask such stupid questions, but I am trying to determine something about space/time, time/space, and this very difficult area of the mechanism of evolution. I think it is central to the understanding of our evolution. However, I am not sure of this and I may be wasting my time. Could Ra comment on whether I am wasting my time in this particular investigation or whether it would be fruitful?
Ra: I am Ra. Since the concepts of space/time, or physics, and time/space, or metaphysics, are mechanical they are not central to the spiritual evolution of the mind/body/spirit complex. The study of love and light is far more productive in its motion towards unity in those entities pondering such concepts. However, this material is, shall we say, of some small interest and is harmless.
Attempting a definition of love is difficult. It is here I shall begin:
On 1.4 Ra does one simple definition:
"We spoke to one who heard and understood and was in a position to decree the Law of One. However, the priests and peoples of that era quickly distorted our message, robbing it of the, shall we say, compassion with which unity is informed by its very nature. Since it contains all, it cannot abhor any."
Let us consider Jesus as an example, because Ra says that Jesus was a 4th density wander of the highest sub-octave, and thus serves as an excellent example of love.
He said the basic message of the commandments is to love god, and love others as self.
He is responsible for the sermon on the mount which contains such phrases as "resist not evil" and "turn the other cheek".
He, of course, did not resist evil. Ra tells us:
Quote:84.4 Questioner: The instrument asked the following question: Ra has implied that the instrument is on the path of martyrdom, but since we all die are we not all martyred to something, and when, if ever, does martyrdom partake of wisdom?
Ra: I am Ra. This is a thoughtful query. Let us use as exemplar the one known as Jehoshua. This entity incarnated with the plan of martyrdom. There is no wisdom in this plan but rather understanding and compassion extended to its fullest perfection. The one known as Jehoshua would have been less than fully understanding of its course had it chosen to follow its will at any space/time during its teachings. Several times, as you call this measure, this entity had the possibility of moving towards the martyr’s place which was, for that martyr, Jerusalem. Yet in meditation this entity stated, time and again, “It is not yet the hour.” The entity could also have, when the hour came, walked another path. Its incarnation would then have been prolonged but the path for which it incarnated somewhat confused. Thusly, one may observe the greatest amount of understanding, of which this entity was indeed capable, taking place as the entity in meditation felt and knew that the hour had come for that to be fulfilled which was its incarnation.
It is indeed so that all mind/body/spirit complexes shall die to the third-density illusion; that is, that each yellow-ray physical-complex body shall cease to be viable. It is a misnomer to, for this reason alone, call each mind/body/spirit complex a martyr, for this term is reserved for those who lay down their lives for the service they may provide to others. We may encourage meditation upon the functions of the will.
Thus, Jesus was consciously aware that he would be laying down his life. He certainly followed his own teachings to "Resist not evil", and "Turn the other cheek".
But, Ra says that martyrdom does not contain wisdom, because a martyr, in dieing, then has no further opportunity to serve others.
Indeed, most christian groups do not take the absolutist position and always "Turn the other cheek", and have a variety of qualifications.
But Jesus, as being the fullest example of love, is teaching the basic lesson necessary for those of us in third density to qualify for 4th density.
Note that in the Bhagavad gita, Bhakti, or love, is considered more basic than wisdom satya (truth). In the Islamic Sufi tradition of which Rumi is a part, love is the most basic element.
As Ra says:
Quote:42.5 Questioner: In the last session you made the statement that “We, that is Ra, spent much time/space in the fifth-density balancing the intense compassion that we had gained in the fourth-density.” Could you expand on this concept with respect to the material you just discussed?
Ra: I am Ra. The fourth-density, as we have said, abounds in compassion. This compassion is folly when seen through the eyes of wisdom. It is the salvation of third-density but creates a mismatch in the ultimate balance of the entity.
Thus we, as a social memory complex of fourth-density, had the tendency towards compassion even to martyrdom in aid of other-selves. When the fifth-density harvest was achieved we found that in this vibratory level flaws could be seen in the efficacy of such unrelieved compassion. We spent much time/space in contemplation of those ways of the Creator which imbue love with wisdom
Fourth density is one where social-memory complexes are formed. In essence, everyone on a planet communicates telepathically so easily, that a planet acts as single unit.
Fourth density positive itself is one of pure compassion. Fourth density negative is one of pure selfishness, where one will always attempt to manipulate others.
Note that both lack wisdom. There are flaws in intensive love to the point of martyrdom, but there are also flaws in intense selfishness, just consider how many evil people have fallen because they became so greedy/selfish they thought they were invincible, and then get caught because of mistakes.
Ra talks about the battle between 4d positive and negative:
Quote:25.5 Questioner: You spoke of an Orion Confederation and of a battle being fought between the Confederation and the Orion Confederation. Is it possible to convey any concept of how this battle is fought?
Ra: I am Ra. Picture, if you will, your mind. Picture it then in total unity with all other minds of your society. You are then single-minded and that which is a weak electrical charge in your physical illusion is now an enormously powerful machine whereby thoughts may be projected as things.
In this endeavor the Orion group charges or attacks the Confederation armed with light. The result, a stand-off, as you would call it, both energies being somewhat depleted by this and needing to regroup; the negative depleted through failure to manipulate, the positive depleted through failure to accept that which is given.
25.6 Questioner: Could you amplify the meaning of what you mean by the “failure to accept that which is given?”
Ra: I am Ra. At the level of time/space at which this takes place in the form of what you may call thought-war, the most accepting and loving energy would be to so love those who wished to manipulate that those entities were surrounded and engulfed, transformed by positive energies.
This, however, being a battle of equals, the Confederation is aware that it cannot, on equal footing, allow itself to be manipulated in order to remain purely positive, for then though pure it would not be of any consequence, having been placed by the so-called powers of darkness under the heel, as you may say.
It is thus that those who deal with this thought-war must be defensive rather than accepting in order to preserve their usefulness in service to others. Thusly, they cannot accept fully what the Orion Confederation wishes to give, that being enslavement. Thusly, some polarity is lost due to this friction and both sides, if you will, must then regroup.
So, when Jesus says to "Turn the other cheek" or "Resist not evil", this would be "purely positive", but "for then though pure it would not be of any consequence, having been placed by the so-called powers of darkness under the heel"
Ok, so we now understand the nature of love. Though the salvation of 3rd density, our density, and thus the essential message that the populace needs, ultimately there are flaws when not balanced with any wisdom, thus wanderers, adepts, and other advanced students will want to consider wisdom/light, as well.
On 43.14 Ra says:
Quote:fifth density entities may choose to learn as a social memory complex or as mind/body/spirit complexes and may graduate to sixth density under these conditions, for the wisdom density is an extremely free density whereas the lessons of compassion leading to wisdom necessarily have to do with other-selves.
On 16.39 Ra says:
Quote:The fifth density harvest is of those whose vibratory distortions consciously accept the honor/duty of the Law of One. This responsibility/honor is the foundation of this vibration.
I generally refusal to comment on any issues other than civil liberties or the national security/warfare state. And of course Ra on 34.9 says
Quote:There are some few whose desires to aid society are of a green ray nature or above. These entities, however, are few due to the understanding, may we say, of fourth ray that universal love freely given is more to be desired than principalities or even the rearrangement of peoples or political structures.
3rd density is of course, based on social interactions, thus, the vast majority of people follow politics because they want to belong to a group. These groups do not have any real philosophy behind them other than the maintenance of power.
However, Ra does mention a few political figures, most notably, Lincoln, was was asked about, was a 4th density walk-in. Thomas Jefferson and Benjamin Franklin, names who Ra actually volunteered, were wanderers.
The nature of Jefferson and Benjamin Franklin's work is not specifically mentioned. Rather, it is mentioned only in the larger context of wanderers of the time.
Quote:26.12 Questioner: Then did the Confederation step up its program of helping planet Earth some time late in this last major cycle? It seems that they did from previous data, especially with the Industrial Revolution. Can you tell me the attitudes and the reasonings behind this? is there any reason other than they just wanted to produce more leisure time in the last, say, one hundred years of the cycle? Is this the total reason?
Ra: I am Ra. This is not the total reason. Approximately two hundred of your years in the past, as you measure time, there began to be a significant amount of entities who by seniority were incarnating for learn/teaching purposes rather than for the lesser of the learn/teachings of those less aware of the process. This was our signal to enable communication to take place.
The Wanderers which came among you began to make themselves felt at approximately this time, firstly offering ideas or thoughts containing the distortion of free will. This was the prerequisite for further Wanderers which had information of a more specific nature to offer. The thought must precede the action.
It is obvious how their work concerns free will. They were, after all, liberals (though now would be called classical liberals).
The term liberal, of course, stemming from liberty. Originally, liberals supported both personal and economic freedom.
At this time, of course, The enlightenment was in full swing. The essence of the enlightenment is that, with wisdom alone, everything can be perfected. I divide it into three areas: 1: Man Himself with theories of knowledge and morality, 2: Man's personal freedom and political activities, 3: Man's economic activities.
Figures such as Immanuel Kant wrote on #1, knowledge and morality with (In "Critique of Pure Reason", and "Metaphysics of Morals").
Adam smith wrote on #1 and #2 in "Theory of Moral Sentiments" and of course, "The wealth of nations"
Locke wrote mostly on #1 and #2, founding empiricism in"An essay concerning human understanding", and classical liberalism itself in "Two treatises on government", but he did write a bit on economics, mostly affirming the consensus at the time of the necessity of physical currency for any fair and workable system of national and international trade.
Benjamin Franklin and Thomas Jefferson were born at the height of the enlightenment. Their work was to put into practice many of the ideas which had been circulating.
They both had an extremely wide variety of interests though Franklin was more scientific and literary, and Jefferson more law and philosophical, and influenced most of all, by Locke.
Also interesting, both were deists, which is somewhat an approximation of LOO, far moreso than Christianity, at least.
Ra says the message was about free will. Locke's theory was of course Natural Rights that are inalienable, which everyone is born with, life, liberty, and property.
These, in essence, are simply affirmations of free will.
The bill of rights were specific instantiations of respect of free will.
Yes, Locke included property, and, free market economics were in fact, an absolutely essential part of enlightenment thought.
Yes, RA does talk about money in one of the most interesting passage in the Ra material:
Quote:22.5 Questioner: Can I assume then that this drastic drop in average life span from seven hundred years to less than one hundred years in length during this second 25,000 years was caused by an intensification of a lack of service to others?
Ra: I am Ra. This is in part correct. By the end of the second cycle, the Law of Responsibility had begun to be effectuated by the increasing ability of entities to grasp those lessons which there are to be learned in this density. Thus, entities had discovered many ways to indicate a bellicose nature, not only as tribes or what you call nations but in personal relationships, each with the other, the concept of barter having given way to the concept of money; also, the concept of ownership having won ascendancy over the concept of nonownership on an individual or group basis.
Each entity then was offered many more subtle ways of demonstrating either service toward others or service to self with the distortion of the manipulation of others. As each lesson was understood, those lessons of sharing, of giving, of receiving in free gratitude—each lesson could be rejected in practice.
Without demonstrating the fruits of such learn/teaching the life span became greatly reduced, for the ways of honor/duty were not being accepted.
That is, money is not evil in itself, but rather it's existence forced humans to make choices which were not necessary before it existed.
With choice came responsibility. The responsibility to use money to serve others or self. As time passed, humans became more able to understand the concepts of STO/STS. Still, they did not choose, thus the lifespan decreased.
Ra mentions the law of responsibility as well as honor/duty in several other places, and this is a bit difficult to understand, but I feel I may understand it.
In essence, responsibility is the opposite side of the coin of liberty/free will.
In order for freedom to persist, it must be used properly, for serving others. If not, the freedom turns negative.
The enlightenment figures generally emphasized how important it was for people to be educated about their government, and most of all, to be moral.
Benjamin Franklin focuses far more on personal morality such as in books such in poor Richard, while Jefferson of course focuses on liberty, but both recognized the intertwined nature.
Of course, for example, the freedom to, say, have lower taxes and thus have more money and time, is inseparable from the concept of then using that time and money to serve others.
And I would add, insofar as we do have taxes, they should be progressive, as Jefferson was one of the first to support.
Thus, I feel, those who get elected merely promising, say, lower taxes are somewhat STS, exploiting selfishness because they do not include the concept of "your taxes are being lowered, you are thus being given more freedom, in order that you take responsibility to help make society better"
But I digress..
So, what is wisdom?
1. The respect of free will of others.
2. The acceptance of responsibility of every action one takes out of one's own free will.
Yes, pure love also accepts free will. But pure love finds it extremely difficult to accept the free will of those doing actions which one knows are harmful to themselves. That is, they wish stop them. But sometimes one must let people persist and learn from their mistakes.
Ra also says, in 48.6:
Quote:There is always some difficulty in penetrating blue primary energy for it requires that which your people have in great paucity; that is, honesty. Blue ray is the ray of free communication with self and with otherself.
Wisdom is also greatly associated with truth and fidelity.
1.Truth, because one must accept responsibility for their actions.
2. Fidelity, because one must accept responsibility for their commitments.
Promises and commitments, are in essence contractual in nature. Government is a contract, called the social contract, and idea formed by locke. One in which ideally, there would be no secrets. Enlightenment figures saw that espionage, assassination, and other forms of secret treachery, conducted by monarchies, as especially repugnant. Note the USA did not have an similar institution until the CIA in 1947. (probably in response to UFO issue, but which sadly is now far beyond that)
Another form of contract are relationships. Marriage is a contract to be faithful with each other.
Ra says that our logos is biased towards being with one partner at a time, so that one may enter a "program of service".
Promiscuity is not necessarily STS, it does not violate free will if both people agree to is a one-night sand or open relationship, but the fidelity inherent in monogamy helps one learn wisdom.
Note that Ra does called marriage "adversary relationships" though.
I personally feel the problem with marriage is 1. People enter into because our laws make it a necessity. 2 People are generally not very religious anymore, and thus the sanctification element has also become meaningless, I mean, who gets an annulment anymore?
Wisdom is also the ray of the co-creator. Why?
Wisdom, or light, allows one to create that which has not existed before. during the enlightenment, huge amounts of new philosophy were created.
But wisdom too, ultimately can be overbalanced.
The philosophies of wisdom, when taken alone and to the extreme, can be just as absolutist as those martyrdom is with love.
One instance, is in Kant's insistence on always and ever tell the truth, even to the point of a murder asking him directions to someone's house (assuming he was forced to say something).
It seems quite absurd that one would not lie here. Sometimes one must keep secrets for a limited time.
Sometimes one must lie, sometimes contracts must be broken, sometimes one falls more in love with another.
To physically prevent another from committing suicide would violating free will.
To be certain, it should always and everywhere be the absolute last resort, but sometimes violence, in self defense, is necessary,
Therefore, ultimately, a balance of wisdom and love must be achieved.
While only love is necessary for 4th density, To balance love and wisdom is the path of the adept.
What is the balance of love and wisdom?
What is faith? To act (love) but pay no regard to physical results of the action (wisdom).
What is mystery? To know (wisdom) without knowing (love).
What is power? When acting (love) to produce exactly the planned/desired effect (wisdom).
What is magic? To act (love) without acting (wisdom). To create an effect without any visible action.
What is free will? Your greatest gift (love). Your greatest responsibility (wisdom).
These are all concepts of adepthood, the balance of love and wisdom.
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