The Nicefication of Eating Meat

[Plenum]

I was in the car this afternoon with my friend, driving to a local supermarket (Harris Farm for you Aussies; it's not one of the three major chains, and tends to have much fresher produce etc).

The friend's friend was there, who is also a friend to me now.

Anyway, this friend's friend suddenly mentioned off hand - I like fried brains.  They're my favourite.

This person is of Greek-Australian heritage, and then went on about tripe, liver and kidneys, and my friend chimed in about how unfortunate it was that sausages don't use intestines as the wrapping, but instead use some sort of other casing.

All this talk made me realise - in generations past, the whole animal was prized and used, and nothing went to waste.  Nowadays, it's all about the fillet and the prime cuts.

I'm not saying this is either good or bad; but I can see how growing up with a more sanitized and 'nice' version of meat dishes (chicken's feet was about the most extreme I got), there was some sort of divorce from the fact that this was an actual animal once.

oh - and my mum's favourite was eating the fish eyeballs which grossed me out.

[Bluebell]

when i eat meat i send love & thanks to the animals. i think most of the animal should be used. i don't think eyeballs r necessary though if u teach kids to eat eyeballs from baby it won't be gross. to us it's disgusting. i wouldn't eat brains though.

i think we're divorced from nature in general & i think it's making some people ill. hyper-vigilant immune diseases etc. & being ungrounded. mental illnesses.

eating meat helps ground me, i think it's because i receive the animal's groundedness.

[Rhayader]

Nutritionally offal is very good for you.

[Plenum]

Nutritionally offal is very good for you.

never tried it

[AnthroHeart]

I've heard head cheese is made from brains. Tried it once but didn't like it.
I liked pickled pigs feet as a kid.

[Ashim]

The parts of the head used vary, but the brain, eyes, and ears are usually removed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Head_cheese

[Karl]

If I could live off of only animal by-products and not die from it extremely early, or break the bank, it I would do it. I love eating animals. The more living thing inside it the better.
EDIT: Then again I might cheat everyonce in awhile and eat plants too. Something about potatoes and chili-peppers always gets me

[AnthroHeart]

Once when i went to church they were cooking Menudo, which smelled up the whole church. And it made some of the kids throw up.

[Diana]

I'm not saying this is either good or bad; but I can see how growing up with a more sanitized and 'nice' version of meat dishes (chicken's feet was about the most extreme I got), there was some sort of divorce from the fact that this was an actual animal once.

Plenum, you have opened the can of worms.

The only people who are not completely divorced from the animals they eat are the ones who care for them, and slaughter them, themselves. 

Neat little packages of meat in the grocery stores is a great insulator from how the meat got there and where it came from. 

Native Americans used to hunt the buffalo. They only killed what was needed for their survival, and prayed over that. The ones taken were honored by warriors who respected the buffalo as brothers. They didn't waste anything of the buffalo killed. Compare that to buying meat in the grocery store, and even if one prays over it, it is not the same as the Native American who took down the buffalo after it roamed free on the plains, considered it a brother, and honored it in a ritual that was as important as the food itself. I really don't think anyone not of such an indigenous culture, who is living today in our throw-away society, could really understand this relationship. For one thing, we don't NEED to do this such as things are, so the feelings would not be the same.

Clearly we need to adjust our world food sources. We can not go back in time to kill buffalo on the plains as the Native Americans did long ago. (Especially since the white man decimated the buffalo by shooting at them for fun out of trains.) We factory farm both livestock and plant-based foods—neither is ideal. 

We have a society addicted to factory-farmed, processed, cruelty-laden (for all concerned including the buyer) foods. What to do?

[Shemaya]

All this talk made me realise - in generations past, the whole animal was prized and used, and nothing went to waste.  Nowadays, it's all about the fillet and the prime cuts.

I'm not saying this is either good or bad; but I can see how growing up with a more sanitized and 'nice' version of meat dishes (chicken's feet was about the most extreme I got), there was some sort of divorce from the fact that this was an actual animal once.

Very true Plenum.  

Human beings have evolved as meat- eaters.....since we must eat to live, there have been many times in human history where plant sources of food were unavailable due to drought and lack of technology to store food.  So animal foods have kept human beings alive.  That for sure is something that even today we can have gratitude for.  Anyone in a human body is here because of animals gift, they have been life- giving for humanity.

My family are meat- eaters, me not so much.  I often talk to them about the animals hopefully planting seeds that will move them to think about the bigger issues and open their compassion. So they don't get to completely divorce themselves from the truth!

We recently got a vitamix blender.  It is awesome for packing in the highly dense nutrition of fruits and veggies .  Highly recommended that everyone get one and have smoothies everyday. I think the key to moving away from animal protein is densely nutritious foods, very important.

I have one co- worker who is a vegetarian.  She is having scary neurological symptoms.  I talked to her about B12 deficiency ( her symptoms are caused by demyelination which can be caused by B12 defiency).  Her levels are adequate according to tests however.  I want to talk to her more though, there are more sensitive blood tests that can confirm the deficiency.  ( low homocysteine and something else).   I think it is unfortunate because she became vegetarian in recent years and to have such scary symptoms is very discouraging.  

[Mat]

Hi,

I do not understand how eating from the killing of another being can be of the positive density. Since knowing the Law of One I have been a vegetarian, but I am not sure if this is the way to be, as I miss the eating of flesh!

[Shemaya]

Hi,

I do not understand how eating from the killing of another being can be of the positive density. Since knowing the Law of One I have been a vegetarian, but I am not sure if this is the way to be, as I miss the eating of flesh!

It sounds like a good catalyst for you to work things out.

I think if you stick with it, your body will adjust eventually.  But it is very important to give your body what it needs to be healthy.  And there are so many factors that contribute to your unique state of health that it would be really presumptuous for me to say what you should eat!

[Bluebell]

Hi,

I do not understand how eating from the killing of another being can be of the positive density. Since knowing the Law of One I have been a vegetarian, but I am not sure if this is the way to be, as I miss the eating of flesh!

make sure it's not ur body missing it. when i was vegetarian i craved meat horribly. do  u eat b12 supplements or have other ways to get some?


honestly if it were up to me to kill my food i'd hunt algae, i have no stomach to kill. but i think animals r part of a natural eating cycle & they kill each other. it's the way of this planet. i think eating meat anchors me to this 3D world, as i consume flesh i consume something so primal. it's hard to feel a part of Earth for me or to understand it unless i take part. it's not necessarily good or bad, it just is.

the biblical quote about lion & lambs getting along is interesting. i don't think killing is natural necessarily for animals either. this planet has a bloodlust in some its occupants. who put it there? the martians? the ones who manipulated us?

[Jade]

We all did and still do.

[Matt1]

I don't crave meats any more. I think i get everything i need from a Veggie diet. If i feel like eatting meaty style products i can simply have soya meat or veggie burger etc.

[Diana]

Hi,

I do not understand how eating from the killing of another being can be of the positive density. Since knowing the Law of One I have been a vegetarian, but I am not sure if this is the way to be, as I miss the eating of flesh!

That's awesome. As Matt1 said, there are meat substitutes that can ease the addiction from meat-eating. I disagree in general that anyone NEEDS meat, as is often cited on this forum. There are those who may have special medical circumstances. But it's the addiction that makes it difficult. As long as you eat healthily you'll be great. The same goes for meat-eaters of course—you still want to eat healthily, which in my opinion is a dichotomy when eating meat since the body basically treats animal products as a toxin (anyone feel free to challenge me on that). 

This may start a whole new cycle of "but the carrots scream when you pull them up" dialogue. But those who are not ready to, or can't, evolve to a plant-based diet, won't. I'm not judging, but I'm sure many will think I am. So be it. We have been round and round these discussions and I don't mind at all.  

[AnthroHeart]

Vegetable Chili is awesome. Though I think the brand I chose before was discontinued.

[Mat]

Hi,

I do not understand how eating from the killing of another being can be of the positive density. Since knowing the Law of One I have been a vegetarian, but I am not sure if this is the way to be, as I miss the eating of flesh!

That's awesome. As Matt1 said, there are meat substitutes that can ease the addiction from meat-eating. I disagree in general that anyone NEEDS meat, as is often cited on this forum. There are those who may have special medical circumstances. But it's the addiction that makes it difficult. As long as you eat healthily you'll be great. The same goes for meat-eaters of course—you still want to eat healthily, which in my opinion is a dichotomy when eating meat since the body basically treats animal products as a toxin (anyone feel free to challenge me on that). 

This may start a whole new cycle of "but the carrots scream when you pull them up" dialogue. But those who are not ready to, or can't, evolve to a plant-based diet, won't. I'm not judging, but I'm sure many will think I am. So be it. We have been round and round these discussions and I don't mind at all.  

Hey


I'm all good on the nutrition. I think the science is in that you don't need meat, especially with supplements. 

I'd like to know more about the body treating meat as toxins. 

I have a hunch  the issue is a spiritual one in the sense of the polarity of being involved in death as opposed to life. 

I also have a profound confusion as to why anyone who wants the positive path, whatever route it takes, can eat of death. 

I'm no spring chicken and have pigged out on the fat of the  lamb for donkeys years, but in the last months, since Ra, the change has bean() profound in me. But still, I miss the venison. 

Mat

[Shemaya]

Mat, I think if you stick with it, now is the best time to make the change. Don't question it, go how the Spirit leads you.

Like Diana said, you can be healthy without meat and nourishment and sustaining your body is what eating is all about.

[BrownEye]

Dogs are a delicacy in India. Much like other forms of 'meat' are considered a delicacy in the states. What is the difference? Throw a slab of human flesh on the table and a person would never know the difference. 

We move to a world of denser light. (some) Once in that world it is no simple feat to consume flesh. 

[Ashim]

My daughter refuses to eat smoked cheese because it reminds her of smoked ham.
Really, it's quite disgusting. But who are we to tell other folks what they should be consuming?

[BrownEye]

It all happens because of the veil.

The veil blocks you from being 'aware'. If a person was aware that a dog has consciousness like a child, if they could communicate telepathically, would they still do it?

It isn't about telling anyone what to do. You could go jump off a cliff and I would not tell you to stop. your choice.

However I might feel impulsed to advise you of the possible consequences of the fall, and the many better choices available.

(Or I might just be too self absorbed and walk on by "who am I to tell you....")

[Bluebell]

ur post is disgusting. dogs r companion animals, livestock has a different purpose! if an animal incarnates into a pet species its soul journey is completely different. & using shocking, upsetting (u knew it would be) & emotionally manipulative tactics u have totally godwinned urself.

eating pets is akin to eating Lemurians.

[Ashim]

It all happens because of the veil.

The veil blocks you from being 'aware'. If a person was aware that a dog has consciousness like a child, if they could communicate telepathically, would they still do it?

It isn't about telling anyone what to do. You could go jump off a cliff and I would not tell you to stop. your choice.

However I might feel impulsed to advise you of the possible consequences of the fall, and the many better choices available.

(Or I might just be too self absorbed and walk on by "who am I to tell you....")

Are you hinting that I am "too self absorbed"?

I hope not.

[isis]

ur post is disgusting. dogs r companion animals, livestock has a different purpose! if an animal incarnates into a pet species its soul journey is completely different. & using shocking, upsetting (u knew it would be) & emotionally manipulative tactics u have totally godwinned urself.

eating pets is akin to eating Lemurians.

but you just wrote this to me yesterday:

neh. the right thing is subjective. & the wrong doers get judged & shamed.

disgusting is subjective.

[Ashim]

ur post is disgusting. dogs r companion animals, livestock has a different purpose! if an animal incarnates into a pet species its soul journey is completely different. & using shocking, upsetting (u knew it would be) & emotionally manipulative tactics u have totally godwinned urself.

eating pets is akin to eating Lemurians.

but you just wrote this to me yesterday:

neh. the right thing is subjective. & the wrong doers get judged & shamed.

disgusting is subjective.

During an extensive visit to Asia, more specifically, the Phillipines, we (wife & I) were invited to countless homes of our extended family(mother-in-law), where we were given foods that we probably would not dream of eating under other circumstances. I will not go into details other to say that we always accepted and (to be honest) were often quite surprised how good this stuff tasted.

Even his holiness the Dalai Lama says that he will eat meat/fish if it is given to him by a host so as to not offend.
A simple blessing of the animal should suffice.
Certainly changed my views on "disgusting".

[Diana]

ur post is disgusting. dogs r companion animals, livestock has a different purpose! if an animal incarnates into a pet species its soul journey is completely different. & using shocking, upsetting (u knew it would be) & emotionally manipulative tactics u have totally godwinned urself.

eating pets is akin to eating Lemurians.

I find the disconnect, apparent in the above statement, remarkable. 

If you insist that eating a pet is different than a "livestock" animal, what about the people who have cows or pigs for pets? And who are you to say what their purpose is? Maybe their purpose is to show us unconditional love so we can grasp compassion. Is it compassionate to torture and consume meat animals when it isn't necessary? I find THAT disgusting. I cannot feel more compassion for your reaction and sensibilities in seeing the truth of what humans do to animals, than I feel for the poor animals themselves. 

[AnthroHeart]

Torturing a non-livestock animal is a felony in Texas. That includes attempting to kill them.

[Diana]

Even his holiness the Dalai Lama says that he will eat meat/fish if it is given to him by a host so as to not offend.
A simple blessing of the animal should suffice.

The Dalai Lama would rather not offend his host, than not participate—by imbibing and therefore condoning—the torture and cruelty of farm animals, or at least the unnecessary slaughter for meat. That doesn't sound very enlightened to me; it sounds human egocentric-based.

I really don't mean to be inflammatory, but try going to slaughterhouse, or even watch an animal being slaughtered while in terror for its life and experiencing mortal pain at the very least, and do a "simple blessing" and tell me if that suffices. 

[Ashim]

Even his holiness the Dalai Lama says that he will eat meat/fish if it is given to him by a host so as to not offend.
A simple blessing of the animal should suffice.

The Dalai Lama would rather not offend his host, than not participate—by imbibing and therefore condoning—the torture and cruelty of farm animals, or at least the unnecessary slaughter for meat. That doesn't sound very enlightened to me; it sounds human egocentric-based.

I really don't mean to be inflammatory, but try going to slaughterhouse, or even watch an animal being slaughtered while in terror for its life and experiencing mortal pain at the very least, and do a "simple blessing" and tell me if that suffices. 

Yeh, just checked. It's ok.

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