New Channeling Group

[Learner]

Maybe you ought to study existing channeled material from negative entities first before trying to call them. 

That's a good idea, I've read something called "Confessions from an elite family insider" which was in the form of question & answer on some forum. This is what lead me to the Ra material as someone compared the material to what he was saying. The insider said the Ra material was 85% accurate and I still wonder which 15% he was reffering to as inaccurate, my guess would be how negative entities are portrayed. I'll do my reasearch, as of now my contacts with negative entities where always to hinder my spiritual growth but I've reached a point I simply notice them and they hold no power over me, so I doubt I could get constructive results.

The Hidden Hand Q&A (if that's what you referred to) is not channeled information, it is from someone incarnated here but "in-the-know" (so s/he claims). In fact, it seems if you are a positive entity, then you will not get constructive information channeled from negative entities. 

12.15 Questioner: Is it possible for an entity here on Earth to be so confused as to call both the Confederation and the Orion group in [an] alternating way, one, then the other, [inaudible] back to [inaudible]?

Ra: I am Ra. It is entirely possible for the untuned channel, as you call that service, to receive both positive and negative communications. If the entity at the base of its confusion is oriented towards service to others, the entity will begin to receive messages of doom. If the entity at the base of the complex of beingness is oriented towards service to self, the crusaders, who in this case, do not find it necessary to lie, will simply begin to give the philosophy they are here to give. Many of your so-called contacts among your people have been confused and self-destructive because the channels were oriented towards service to others but, in the desire for proof, were open to the lying information of the crusaders who then were able to neutralize the effectiveness of the channel.

So I would advise you not to open yourself to channeling from negative entities without further understanding. I consider channeled writings from Aleister Crowley (whom Ra claims to be positive -- much to my surprise) to be from negative entities, I don't think they are very helpful to our understanding, but you can check them out to draw your own conclusions, I only read a couple of pieces a while ago not very carefully.

[jody]

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/archiv...gue_hh.pdf

I believe this is the document Minyatur is referring to.  I was lead to the Ra material after reading this document myself.  

Thank you Enyiah. 

I was also led to the Ra material via this. What I was wondering specifically is how he knew that "he was a she". I dont recall reading that. 

[Minyatur]

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/archiv...gue_hh.pdf

I believe this is the document Minyatur is referring to.  I was lead to the Ra material after reading this document myself.  

This is the second document I read, the first one was this one. Revelations from an elite familly insider, this was made in 2005 and HH in 2008.

http://www.scribd.com/mobile/doc/403303?...fullscreen

[Minyatur]

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/archiv...gue_hh.pdf

I believe this is the document Minyatur is referring to.  I was lead to the Ra material after reading this document myself.  

Thank you Enyiah. 

I was also led to the Ra material via this. What I was wondering specifically is how he knew that "he was a she". I dont recall reading that. 

Isn't it funny that so many of us were led to the Ra material by someone claiming to be negatively oriented in what he allows of his 5% STO actions permitted.

[Ashim]

He's a she, for the record.
No, it was not mentioned in the discourse, along with other important facts, such as the make of car he/she drives (it has tinted windows).

Shortly after spending weeks reading over both the H_H and the Ra material things began to get quite challenging for me.

Interesting that some people get a positive "vibe", yet others a distinct negative when this subject is brought up.

[jody]

He's a she, for the record.
No, it was not mentioned in the discourse, along with other important facts, such as the make of car he/she drives (it has tinted windows).

Shortly after spending weeks reading over both the H_H and the Ra material things began to get quite challenging for me.

Interesting that some people get a positive "vibe", yet others a distinct negative when this subject is brought up.

How do you know Ashim? I'm very curious. 

[Matt1]

I assume you are talking about the hidden hand material. Having researched it a little, it appeared on a conspiracy forum. I never read through the material fully but having looked at it i wasn't very impressed. Anyone who had studied basic conspiracy theory and read the Law of One could have made that. I could have easily done it myself. I highly doubt it has anything to do with any real insider. Just my 50 cents on it.

[Ashim]

He's a she, for the record.
No, it was not mentioned in the discourse, along with other important facts, such as the make of car he/she drives (it has tinted windows).

Shortly after spending weeks reading over both the H_H and the Ra material things began to get quite challenging for me.

Interesting that some people get a positive "vibe", yet others a distinct negative when this subject is brought up.

How do you know Ashim? I'm very curious. 

Personal experience. I was visited by the Family. The details are of no importance.

[Ashim]

I could have easily done it myself.

Chuckle.

[Unbound]

Don't you all know Ashim is a big-wig who knows all the big names in the NWO?

[Billy]

That's it, I'm moving to Canada, where the coffee is good and the air is fresh.

[Stranger]

[I think that my original message posted here was inaccurate, so I have removed it.]

[Bluebell]

people have to learn discernment for themselves in the end, but i agree; neggie lies can really confooze a n00b. i remember how gullible i was, & sometimes i still am.  

[jody]

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/archiv...gue_hh.pdf

I believe this is the document Minyatur is referring to.  I was lead to the Ra material after reading this document myself.  

From what I've seen (and I haven't read through the entire "document"), it follows the typical STS pattern of mixing lies with enough truth to make the lies believable and the entire thing "resonate" to the unwary; and using the result to shift attitudes and behaviors towards STS.  So far: Yahweh is not the Logos.  The Logos is the original thought, which is Love.  Yahweh (the second entity to take that name, according to Ra) is an STS would-be enslaver of Earth.  Every time "Hidden Hand" refers to Yahweh as the Logos, they are repeating a lie.  Why? Perhaps to alienate people from the Logos, who is our Creator and our true Self, by tainting the word itself by association with negativity, and to make themselves seem less negative by association.  Regardless of motive, it's an ongoing absolute falsehood throughout the document, which, at a minimum, calls into question every other statement in it.  Those who have discernment will notice other themes, such as idea that negativity is a "necessary evil" (used by just about every dictator to justify enslavement and oppression), and very noble; and that you can be loving and positive while creating suffering on every scale.

Part of the spiritual seeking process is the initial grasping at straws, where one doesn't know what's true and what's false - before one develops discernment and understanding.  That is the stage where people can be relatively easily mislead into paths that do not serve their best interests.  It would be helpful on a board such as this to alert people to these issues whenever STS material is explicitly referenced.

Here is a quote from hidden hand.

Quote:
How can I as an individual take what you say as the 'truth'?

HH: No one is asking you to. Never take what another says to you as "Truth". Your purpose here, is to find your own Truth. Sometimes, others can help you to do so by offering guidance, but for their Truth to become your Truth, it must pass through the test of your discernment. Sit quietly in meditation, and ask the Infinite Creator to guide your path. Meditate upon that which I have shared, and listen to your inner feelings. They are the language of your Soul.

[Unbound]

New Age Memes 101

[Minyatur]

people have to learn discernment for themselves in the end, but i agree; neggie lies can really confooze a n00b. i remember how gullible i was, & sometimes i still am.  

If a negative entity is playing you because you are a noob, remember that your higher-self is just playing the clueless guy and allowing it to happen.

I did a simultaneous dual channeling night with another wanderer and a negative entity came and interacted with us. I perceived it as shy and lonely and that it wanted to partake with us to gain insights but did not wish to be seen in a body of light nor speak directly. It listens and plays trick when you forget about it. But there were insights to gain from interacting with it. The funny part is that sometimes we would talk with each other while channeling but what we said was meant for the invisible entity. 

It also came to me that calling them STS or negative is only a way to be STS with them. It "pisses them off".

[Bluebell]

i didn't mean offense. though doesn't everything piss them off?

shy&insecure sounds like Kanye, though i think his handlers make him act that way, he seems very insecure. i wanna hug him.

[Minyatur]

i didn't mean offense. though doesn't everything piss them off?

shy&insecure sounds like Kanye, though i think his handlers make him act that way, he seems very insecure. i wanna hug him.

I think they hate when you're aware of them yet sometimes they want you to become aware of them. Funny fellows.