Petition to get DE photos.

[Phoenix]

Hey. Thought I'd start a thread here. Because I am compelled to.

I wanted to get Don Elkins photos from when he was around 27 ish. Two things, firstly, I don't know the systems in America, is there any way I can do that without bothering Jim and Carla. Secondly, if not, if I have to go through them. Does anyone want to sign a petition to get photos.

It suddenly struck me as 'Why would any of these people care?' Well, there is a principle involved. You've all been here with me for a while.

Also, someone else said they would like the photos. Anyone want to sign?

[Jade]

Good luck to you, Phoenix. I'll add my name because I don't believe it will hurt. I hope you can get some answers through these means.

Have you tried emailing someone directly? I know you posted on Jim and Carla's blog, but that's not exactly a commonly used two-way communication method.

[Bring4th_Austin]

There aren't a whole lot of photos of Don, much less when he was younger. But some do exist. If you can wait until next week I will try to dig them up. Fair warning, what does exist isn't very good quality.

[Phoenix]

Good luck to you, Phoenix. I'll add my name because I don't believe it will hurt. I hope you can get some answers through these means.

Have you tried emailing someone directly? I know you posted on Jim and Carla's blog, but that's not exactly a commonly used two-way communication method.

That thought came to me earlier actually. I thought that it would be better to write a polite email request directly to them. This seems to me the stronger service-to-others and more respectful. I don't seem to have enough 'integration' in my energy field at the moment but am working towards that. I have an idea (I.e. in the rest of my life), which may or may not last but follows the spiritual teachings that have thus far worked. (David Wilcock, a slant different and more specific than llresearch's ideas but still Ra.)

Thankyou Austin. I do hope you find them. There is a definite effect on my energy field for this subject matter. I feel ungrounded speaking about this. It seems strange. Is there any way quicker than next week?

Regardless of what's going on there is a strong positive presence, and the other side regarding these matters for me. As in all matters.

[Bring4th_Austin]

Phoenix, I will try sooner, but Gary is out of the office until next week and I may need him in order to access them. I'll let you know.

[Parsons]

* Parsons pictures Gary and Austin pushing some figurine into a stone wall revealing a secret room lit by torchlight with the photos hidden in a treasure chest (a la Natural Treasure or Indiana Jones) :p

[anagogy]

Hey. Thought I'd start a thread here. Because I am compelled to.

I wanted to get Don Elkins photos from when he was around 27 ish. Two things, firstly, I don't know the systems in America, is there any way I can do that without bothering Jim and Carla. Secondly, if not, if I have to go through them. Does anyone want to sign a petition to get photos.

It suddenly struck me as 'Why would any of these people care?' Well, there is a principle involved. You've all been here with me for a while.

Also, someone else said they would like the photos. Anyone want to sign?

I apologize if you have already answered this question Phoenix, but why exactly do you want a picture of young Don Elkins?

What are you hoping to gain by it?

[Phoenix]

Please do carry on signing people, if it comes to it!

I'm not exactly sure but when I said I was Don Elkins on the other thread, I felt a piece of my soul powerfully come back to me. I felt in the world again.

It comes down partly for me to, if I was Don Elkins in a past life, what we might consider as '5th density'. Because fifth density types are able to change their appearance easily.

Although, there is some evidence consciously against me being 5d and more likely being 6d. So it would be interesting to see if I LOOKED like Don at that age. The evidence being that 5 ders are unaffected by the energy fields of others and I am highly, highly psychic. Once when a friend phoned my mother I had whole different thoughts about him. Seems energy field ish. But perhaps this talks to the kind of independence and lack of 'manners' someone like Bob Dylan might have. Think that is it.

So in my understanding 5d people have an expression of wisdom that is kind of addictive and direct. Whereas 6d wisdom, is more 'enlightening'. I feel I am close to Ra though sometimes, to the extent of knowing DW's thoughts and stuff like that, especially when we were on the forum all the years back.

there you have it!

[Unbound]

Two things - time doesn't work the same in time/space so there could be part of you that is 5D and part that is 6D. Second, I'm not sure where you draw your conclusions for what 5D or 6D is capable of, but that is completely moot once you are in a 3D body. I don't see at all how 5D would be "unaffected by energy fields of others", as that would depend entirely on the orientation of the entity, but it seems you have a very set idea of what each density is "capable" of and oriented towards.

This is all well and good, I'm just pointing it out you have set up an arrangement of turnstiles that you look towards to direct you towards a true understanding of yourself.

[Billy]

There are those videos of Carla and Don on some ufo show on youtube. Don is admittedly older there, but none the less. Good luck Pheonix.

[Bluebell]

when were u born Phoenix?

[pfegeli]

sure, why not

[Phoenix]

August 5th 1987.

My early balancing experiences around these issues was a Cancerian girl and a guy who's birthday was May 31st. Which is the day after their wedding. I imagined us all waiting for the wedding to happen and then jumping into the experience.

Unbound: Yes, that was from the Law of One. Although the more precise wording was, they are not those that are affected by the energy fields of others to a great extent.

I get a lot of intuitions as to this or that. I don't really think things through and this is partly how I have arrived at the conclusion of the different densities. A strong FEELING. But I do not know if I am correct. But it is strongly heart chakra 'controlled' and feels right.

[Bluebell]

have u thought about comparing zodiac charts a lá DW&EC?

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Don would probably be drawn to the Ra material. it's not inconceivable. Phoenix alludes to rebirth.

[anagogy]

Please do carry on signing people, if it comes to it!

I'm not exactly sure but when I said I was Don Elkins on the other thread, I felt a piece of my soul powerfully come back to me. I felt in the world again.

It comes down partly for me to, if I was Don Elkins in a past life, what we might consider as '5th density'. Because fifth density types are able to change their appearance easily.

Although, there is some evidence consciously against me being 5d and more likely being 6d. So it would be interesting to see if I LOOKED like Don at that age. The evidence being that 5 ders are unaffected by the energy fields of others and I am highly, highly psychic. Once when a friend phoned my mother I had whole different thoughts about him. Seems energy field ish. But perhaps this talks to the kind of independence and lack of 'manners' someone like Bob Dylan might have. Think that is it.

So in my understanding 5d people have an expression of wisdom that is kind of addictive and direct. Whereas 6d wisdom, is more 'enlightening'. I feel I am close to Ra though sometimes, to the extent of knowing DW's thoughts and stuff like that, especially when we were on the forum all the years back.

there you have it!

Well, the thing about 5D is they can change their physical appearance at will, according to Ra, but that is *in* 5th density. As incarnate wanderers, they become completely the creature of 3rd density, and as such, do not have that 5th density level of refined control over thought.

In between incarnations, ALL souls have the capacity to select what their physical apparatus will look like because incarnation requires the investment of the form-maker/higher self, and being a sixth density magical personality, it is wholly capable of manifesting *whatever* conditions are required for the lessons to be learned during this particular incarnation.

So what I'm getting at is: I wouldn't necessarily concern yourself too much with your physical resemblance to Don, because:

A) the way you look from life-time to life-time doesn't necessarily correlate with how you looked in a previous life, and

B) even if you did share some physical characteristics it could be completely coincidental

Like, seriously, whatever you sincerely believe you will begin to find evidence for.

Now, having said that, occasionally physical characteristics do carry over from life-time to life-time. You carry a body imprint with you after you die of your physical vehicle and occasionally, it is not completely "washed off", for lack of better description, before incarnation. It works sort of like a "morphogenetic field" and can cause various characteristics from the past body to show up in the new body. For example, you got shot or stabbed to death in a past life, you may manifest a birth mark on your current body, or you may have unexplained pains in your neck your whole life because your neck was broke, or something of that nature. Sometimes the physical body grows to look like the previous body, rarely.

However, more developed souls (of which wanderers would qualify as) rarely have problems getting rid of old body imprints, thus, they don't carry over. It is normally only undeveloped souls that are not able to completely release the old body's energy field. Rarely do they choose to incarnate in bodies that carry the same appearance as their previous hosts, and often, they choose completely different ethnicities and genetic lineage.

I don't say any of this to discourage you, just to say, I don't think that is the best way to look for evidence.

I think it would be far better, for you to figure this out by going to a well trained, professional spiritual regression hypnotherapist to get to the bottom of it. But this is just a suggestion.

Perhaps you do have a connection to Don, who knows. Best of luck in your search for answers. I hope you find all the peace and understanding you are looking for.

[Phoenix]

Hey. I added loads of synchronicities in there but the Law of One talks of that as breaking free will. So I will have to leave it.

I will leave it as, the name Phoenix was originally a name I had before on divinecosmos yahoo forum far before I had the dream with Don Elkins in it.

There is no astrological correlation between me and DE.

I don't know where my mind is at the moment . I understand what everyone here has said about 5d and 6d not being easily defined or necessarily carrying physical characteristics over.

I'm not really looking for a physical appearance thing. I'm looking for the photo because I feel my soul 'needs' it.

So this has become a discussion rather than a petition. So thanks for contributing. I can't say all these people have signed a petition . But perhaps I don't need to, I just need to be able to write a good letter. Or wait.

There is another possibility that I feel I should mention. It could be because I rejected a healing path and I have a memory of not healing my granny, partly because of a feeling of needing things to change and that the 'inheritance' would be part of it. Partly because of a lot of other things such as that it may cause more suffering and it all seemed a bit tv supernatural based. Also, there has been a suicide attempt before on my part. That may have allowed negs to manipulate me more easily than they would otherwise be able to.

[sunnysideup]

I found a picture of Don online in army fatigue. So my guess would be that he was about 22 when that picture was taken.


He's the one on the right according to photo title.

[isis]

I found a picture of Don online in army fatigue.

u sure that's not a different DE? doesn't look like him to me

[Phoenix]

Thanks Sunnysideup. I have to say the 'soul' seems a bit different. Don feels quite repressed. I remember when a friend tried to see if I was him and he said 'I can't get a read on this guy, he's just monotone.'

I say that but then my third eye starts kind of 'integrating' my soul. I would stay far away from the army in my real life.

Incredibly powerful this integration.

But there has also been this pain in my heart chakra for a very long time. On the left side, that is triggered.

I read recently that channels can fall off their message in their 'desire for proof'.

So I still don't know. But thanks for the photo.

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This is all getting a bit much.

My theory on 5d and 6d entities and appearances staying the same or changing between lifetimes was that the 6d entity has emotions, which are reflected in the chart. But the 5d entity has wisdom/ light. Which can easily be moved around in the planning of a life. As in the astrology charts.

Nonetheless. This is a big deal for me and has included a suicide attempt in real life. So one path is a good one and one is the bad. Believing I am and this fifth density stuff. Or not. It probably has other metaphysical connotations. Such as returning to this place.

When I take the more loving route, and go towards politics and healing. I feel fantastic, genuinely in the world, and alert. But then music or astrology will take me back to where I was. A kind of hell. I can't keep this whole thing up a lot longer. Because the forces of 'help' as they may be, turning me away from strangeness.

It may be whenever I come on here I lose polarity? Wanted to not send this but have felt a clenching of my heart chakra.

Anyway, I'm sure it will all be alright in the end.

[βαθμιαίος]

A couple more images for you. (Not sure how old Don was in these.)

http://www.bring4th.org/forums/attachment.php?aid=333

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-fWqCR7AnRe0/US....34.45.png

[Phoenix]

thanks. I actually had low bloodsugar in the last post. part of my psyche no doubt.

Aid = 333. Nice synchronicity.

I saw those up before. But they are a perfect reminder and do bring something. I feel that a lot of the things I am doing are quite selfish. There is obviously something going on in my psyche that is difficult to deal with. It does seem connected to Don.

I had years of very agressively bad dreams in order to force me to believe I was Don. Like complete no sleep sorts of things. Not being able to sleep because of bad dreams.

Something like that seems to still be going on. Perhaps there is some wound that could be healed. Perhaps photographically reading the Law of One at 18 was a bad idea. But I have an upward seeking to the Creator that is quite constant.

I feel I have not been thankful enough to everyone here. If I compromise at all I feel as though I might be having my energy locked down. Like how Carla and Don said one small thing then traded energies that sounds like a nightmare come true. Also how Don's character wasn't able to win the verbal battle with the negative Adept in the Crucifixion of Esmerelda Sweetwater. i have also felt like i have had this happen with friends where someone says something to repress me and until I go and release the energy I don't have access to myself.

But I did read anagogy's last post and think it has a lot of potentially correct things in it. But I think there is a lot of evidence for past lives and facial recognition. But I don't know if there are proven cases where the face doesn't match. So unless you were to show me sources I will not take it as evidence . So perhaps I should just say: where are you getting this? The idea you may coincidentally look like someone is interesting. Because, why else would you choose them as a symbol?

Thanks to everyone. I do think that it would be interesting to go for a regression. Another way.

Thanks again!

Anyway, looking in the mirror now I do look very like him. My features are slightly bigger in some places. And I'm more hairy. Lol. Running out of money. May not be on here for a while more. It's kind of all a little uncomfortable, now that I actually feel I was Don. Like I'm some sort of ghost!

[Billy]

I don't think you are selfish. You are obviously going through a difficult and tough time and are looking for answers. Maybe it's also important to take a brake every now and again in order to recharge the batteries, so to speak, or to simply relax your stressed mind. Any TV shows you like? Whatever it is your looking for Pheonix, I wish you well.

[Phoenix]

Post deleted which was what I had up here before doesn't end on a good note!

Mate, haven't relaxed forever. I think at the moment I am incapable. The world is starting to make it's demands now and when I came off sickness benefit I felt far better. Which means there is some energy or entity connected with 'sickness benefit' which just makes things all the more confusing.

Still going through this music/astrology or Love and stuff sort of pattern. There seems to me to be no easy way to DEFINITELY connect with the Creator but I have started to realise that perhaps doing basic 'service' may be helpful. The problem for me is when service appears to be servitude.

I have a piece of paper I scribbled Ra's name on. Which always gives me strong feelings and intuitions. But it seems like some of the feelings I get are polar opposite to those that I get when reading the Ra material. The Ra material archetypes seems to rebuild my mind a little after I got the idea of myself from astrology as someone who essentially doesn't have a mind (Very little air). But this is all very confusing.

[Phoenix]

Hey. Tried to message Austin directly but for whatever reason it wouldn't send.

What's happening with the photo?

[Steppingfeet]

Hey. Tried to message Austin directly but for whatever reason it wouldn't send.

What's happening with the photo?

Hello Phoenix,

As Austin mentioned, we have some other photos of Don. However we plan on adding a photo gallery to the upcoming free "Scholar's Edition" PDF of pictures of Don, Carla, and Jim that were not previously published. We will wait until the release of the PDF to publish the photos on the archive website.

The b&w that βαθμιαίος linked to that I posted to Bring4th some time ago is exceptionally clear and should, I hope, give you all the visual information you need to satisfy your interest. If that is not the case, then patience will prove fruitful. Should just be a matter of months.

Love/Light,
GLB

PS: Sunnysideup, the bullet-laden, cigar-chomping lad is not the Don Elkins who spoke with the Ra social memory complex. : )

[Parsons]

{Mad Men Spoiler Alert}



















Maybe the guy in the army photo died and Don Elkins stole his identity(just like Don in Mad Men).

[Phoenix]

Cool.

I always thought releasing them for everyone was more service to others anyway. (later edit: But, if someone asks for good reason then from a theoretical perspective it's probably not more service to others to wait months. Just have to keep the theory clean because if I don't I am supressing part of myself.)

Couple of months is a long time though. But thanks.

Hopefully, if my seeking is good. I will have gained some sort of integration to have some insight by the time it does get released. Or sooner.

I do wonder if I'm being thrown curve balls since I keep calling strongly polarised positive entities and they have to answer even if the problem can't be solved due to free will concerns. Otherwise it is replaced by a neg.