Fix the World Project

[zenmaster]

FWIW:

FTW will provide the essential services necessary to implement planet changing projects and then use the profits from these projects to fund other humanitarian projects that help the needy and heal the planet. We will do this by operating with integrity, honesty and transparency under a set of directives we call the “The New Paradigm Business Model”.

http://fixtheworldproject.net/

open-source energy device project (complete with conspiracy theory drama):

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http://fixtheworldproject.net/what-is-the-qeg-.html

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"Home Quantum Energy Generator" Indiegogo campaign:
http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/home-q...-generator

[Melissa]

Well, they seem quite fearless, even after receiving death threats. Which is awesome. Very, very interesting project.

[Rhayader]

The world needs fixing? I thought it was perfect.

[Melissa]

Free energy devices FTW!

[zenmaster]

The world needs fixing? I thought it was perfect.

To me, this is the healthier perspective.

Also the meme framing of conspiracy immediately suggests a less than honest pursuit and low efficacy.

[Melissa]

What conspiracy?

[zenmaster]

What conspiracy?

"Powering our homes with free energy devices is not impossible, just illegal."

"QEG will not be confiscated"

"70,000 free energy device patents have been confiscated by the US government."

[Melissa]

It's well known that governments aren't too keen on 'allowance' regarding these devices, isn't it? In most cases it's considered illegal.

[Sagittarius]

It's well known that governments aren't too keen on 'allowance' regarding these devices, isn't it? In most cases it's considered illegal.

Only government who thinks it should be illegal is the "governing" forces in your mind, i.e the government is an allegory of a mental process. Or as zen put it in another thread, an allegory of the individual.

[zenmaster]

Listen to how it's promoted with the drama of various themes. The struggle and triumph, being a hero, being a savior, sacrifice, changing the world, succeeding where others have failed, defiance of the negative philosophy, not allowing it to fall into the wrong hands, standing up for what's right, humble genius, the appeal to the "Thrive" movie, etc. When it's really just a difficult science problem (yet to be openly solved) which is never is attempted to be addressed or explained. If one starts buying into and inflating an unconscious allegory over the problem solving, then "free energy" is wasted on storytelling where the whole thing gets built up fatter and fatter.

The interesting part though is the attempt to provide presumably complete plans for it which allows scrutiny.

[AnthroHeart]

I don't mind paying for electricity. Does that make me a sheep?

[Billy]

Listen to how it's promoted with the drama of various themes. The struggle and triumph, being a hero, being a savior, sacrifice, changing the world, succeeding where others have failed, defiance of the negative philosophy, not allowing it to fall into the wrong hands, standing up for what's right, humble genius, the appeal to the "Thrive" movie, etc.

Why exactly do people do this? Are they aware that by doing this they aren't making any stable positive change? Is it an egotistical thing?

[zenmaster]

Listen to how it's promoted with the drama of various themes. The struggle and triumph, being a hero, being a savior, sacrifice, changing the world, succeeding where others have failed, defiance of the negative philosophy, not allowing it to fall into the wrong hands, standing up for what's right, humble genius, the appeal to the "Thrive" movie, etc.

Why exactly do people do this? Are they aware that by doing this they aren't making any stable positive change? Is it an egotistical thing?

Because the idea, as a numinous transcendent principle, takes on a life of its own, becoming separated from practical matters which involve direct experience. Creating new experience, esp in a novel manner, requires effort. Effort is resisted, usually due to lack of will.

[Melissa]

*yawn*

[zenmaster]

*yawn*

lol

[Sagittarius]

*yawn*

Don't sound like a greedy little baby at all.......but you know everything right.

[Fang]

I'm wondering if it was really necessary to add the dramatic music and the phrase "I'm queeging, are you queeging?" lol
I don't think something like "free energy" is actually possible without a scientific revolution ie. a new discovery that shifts the scientific paradigm. It doesn't seem like the sort of thing that would just pop up out of nowhere, if it's even possible.

[reeay]

*Squeeging queeging queee queee*

[Parsons]

I don't think something like "free energy" is actually possible without a scientific revolution ie. a new discovery that shifts the scientific paradigm. It doesn't seem like the sort of thing that would just pop up out of nowhere, if it's even possible.

Research Tesla.

[zenmaster]

Many have researched Tesla, but that research has not yielded a working free energy device. So I'm wondering how that research you recommend could ever answer his question?

[Fang]

Research Tesla.

I have (even some of the conspiracy garbage), research science. Tesla had a whole lot of work that was not published during his life or even saw peer review true, but he doesn't have work in the public domain which would lead to the re-evaluation of the validity of the laws of thermodynamics. Such a discovery (of a principle) of that nature would change science forever and won't likely be pursued until we reach crisis point. We still are answering a lot of (important) questions with the current model so changing it isn't the priority in the scientific community. And changing it would be inevitable if something like a principle allowing production of free energy was discovered.
I've seen a lot of people make Tesla into some sort of messiah figure, dude was a visionary and a great scientist but people shouldn't expect him to solve all their problems.

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To finish, I'm not convinced a principle that allows "free energy" to be created exists as the main people I see talking about it usually willingly have no idea how nature functions and don't wish to learn because "everything is a lie! wake up! Science is wrong. Tesla has the answers". Which is a pretty dissonant view for starters, it's like walking into a cult sometimes, I've got mates who are into this stuff.

[Parsons]

I said 'research Tesla' because of the ridiculous number of radical new inventions he implemented (or at least discovered). Most of those inventions did indeed 'pop out of nowhere'.

[Fang]

I said 'research Tesla' because of the ridiculous number of radical new inventions he implemented (or at least discovered). Most of those inventions did indeed 'pop out of nowhere'.

yeah but an invention implementing a known principle is different to one implementing a before unknown principle, and a unknown principle which somehow allows the bypassing of a known law of nature would be needed to make a free energy device.

[Parsons]

I'm not sure why you are assuming free or practically free energy would bypass any law of nature. They said similar things before the discovery of flight. It was also assumed you couldn't go faster than the speed of sound.

[Fang]

Edited

I'm not sure why you are assuming free or practically free energy would bypass any law of nature.

Thermodynamics mate. The assumption I'm making is that unless a new principle is discovered the devices coming forward are claims of perpetual motion devices, which does contradict thermodynamics and do not work.

They said similar things before the discovery of flight. It was also assumed you couldn't go faster than the speed of sound

Those are fairly different cases, having to do with the hypothetical maximum possible exploitation of a known principle rather than discovering a new one.
Also, the the hypothesis about the speed of sound was for human technology specifically, it was known that things can travel beyond the speed of sound ie. light for yonks

Basically, don't get your hopes up for the Tesla cultists to come forward with anything worthwhile.