Biogeometry

[RonAl]

Biogeometry is a discipline that harmonizes harmful electromagnetic radiation, wifi, cell etc. using sacred geometric shapes. Dr. Ibrahim Karim has been reintroducing this ancient Egyptian knowledge. This is a passive system and does not change the radiation so it is totally usable but becomes non harmful to living beings.

www.biogeometry.ca

http://youtu.be/F_7CVKbMk1c

this is part 1 of a 3 part lecture

[zenmaster]

Is this science?

[RonAl]

Is this science?

From what I understand this is a qualitative science. It deals with undetectable and detectable radiation so it is not testable with current devices. It deals with multidimensional energy. I guess the answer would be no in the current meaning of science.

[native]

Some links and news coverage here. This was implemented in two towns to counter the affects of cell phone towers, and the residents say it alleviated their symptoms.

I get discouraged when they charge high prices for their products and training however.

[BrownEye]

so it is not testable with current devices. It deals with multidimensional energy.

Oh you never heard? If it cannot be detected it does not exist.

[zenmaster]

Is this science?

From what I understand this is a qualitative science. It deals with undetectable and detectable radiation so it is not testable with current devices. It deals with multidimensional energy. I guess the answer would be no in the current meaning of science.

If it's not testable, how is its efficacy determined? Via subjective placebo effect?

[reeay]

If it's qualitative, you could at least triangulate findings to 2-3 other sources that point to similar finding around this phenomenon, the. Begin to conceptualize how to study it quantitatively. Qualitative methods have ways to measure validity and rigor of study.

[zenmaster]

If it's qualitative, you could at least triangulate findings to 2-3 other sources that point to similar finding around this phenomenon, the. Begin to conceptualize how to study it quantitatively. Qualitative methods have ways to measure validity and rigor of study.

Well he claims that biogeometry is able to eliminate EMF from cell towers which is claimed to induce "electo-stress" on city inhabitants.

Do cell tower emissions create any level of stress?

[reeay]

Stressing about cell phone towers and what it can do will induce stress guaranteed. Cities can be stressful bc our senses get overstimulated anyway. If you can control for this stimulus already there and isolate EMFs effect on people the argument would be more convincing. And typical error is to think correlation is causation. Link between EmF and stress, if any, is not same as EMF causing stress. That really gets confused with these pseudo scientific presentations.

[zenmaster]

Stressing about cell phone towers and what it can do will induce stress guaranteed. Cities can be stressful bc our senses get overstimulated anyway. If you can control for this stimulus already there and isolate EMFs effect on people the argument would be more convincing. And typical error is to think correlation is causation. Link between EmF and stress, if any, is not same as EMF causing stress. That really gets confused with these pseudo scientific presentations.

Well the biogeometry techniques are specifically employed to eliminate the stress known to be caused by the EMF generated by cell towers. Does this not beg the question of how this particular stressor cause is known (it's not widely known, obviously)? If it doesn't, why not? And if this knowledge can't be established, then how does biogeometry even fall into the area of a qualitative science?

[BrownEye]

Some people are more sensitive than others, and can gauge personal benefits directly, then pass that info to others.

But, what if Ra had stated these benefits? Would you still have the same doubts? Would you be able to test this for yourself? Would you have any actual discernment beyond the gross senses and the intellect?

[zenmaster]

Some people are more sensitive than others, and can gauge personal benefits directly, then pass that info to others.

No sh!t, but what does that have to do with the price of tea in China?

But, what if Ra had stated these benefits? Would you still have the same doubts? Would you be able to test this for yourself? Would you have any actual discernment beyond the gross senses and the intellect?

Due to infringement on free will, Ra would not introduce such an influential and distorted system of thought, therefore your hypothetical authority-figure situation is quite moot.

[BrownEye]

Some people are more sensitive than others, and can gauge personal benefits directly, then pass that info to others.

No sh!t, but what does that have to do with the price of tea in China?

Are you saying that prices are machine generated rather than on a benefit introduced by someone that found out the benefits for themselves?

But, what if Ra had stated these benefits? Would you still have the same doubts? Would you be able to test this for yourself? Would you have any actual discernment beyond the gross senses and the intellect?

Due to infringement on free will, Ra would not introduce such an influential and distorted system of thought, therefore your hypothetical authority-figure situation is quite moot.

So any information towards the protection or reclamation of health would be an infringement of free will?

[zenmaster]

Some people are more sensitive than others, and can gauge personal benefits directly, then pass that info to others.

No sh!t, but what does that have to do with the price of tea in China?

Are you saying that prices are machine generated rather than on a benefit introduced by someone that found out the benefits for themselves?

No. I'm saying no sh!t, because everyone knows that people, due to their own experiences, may hold special information that may be of benefit. But irrelevant to phenomenological learning. i.e. sharing of a worldview which renders any aspect of the collective worldview any less distorted, for example.

But, what if Ra had stated these benefits? Would you still have the same doubts? Would you be able to test this for yourself? Would you have any actual discernment beyond the gross senses and the intellect?

Due to infringement on free will, Ra would not introduce such an influential and distorted system of thought, therefore your hypothetical authority-figure situation is quite moot.

So any information towards the protection or reclamation of health would be an infringement of free will?

In positive channeling there is no procedural information transmitted that is not 1) specifically asked for and not 2) already part of the collective consciousness. So such specific philosophical/methodological/technological understandings are never going to be related in the first place (hence your moot hypothetical point).

[Parsons]

But, what if Ra had stated these benefits? Would you still have the same doubts? Would you be able to test this for yourself? Would you have any actual discernment beyond the gross senses and the intellect?

Due to infringement on free will, Ra would not introduce such an influential and distorted system of thought, therefore your hypothetical authority-figure situation is quite moot.

So any information towards the protection or reclamation of health would be an infringement of free will?

In positive channeling there is no procedural information transmitted that is not 1) specifically asked for and not 2) already part of the collective consciousness. So such specific philosophical/methodological/technological understandings are never going to be related in the first place (hence your moot hypothetical point).

If that is the case, why did Ra give an answer that the pharmaceutical Carla was taking was harming her? Pharmaceuticals are a type of technology.

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So, hypothetically, Don could have asked about this and Ra may have answered.

[zenmaster]

But, what if Ra had stated these benefits? Would you still have the same doubts? Would you be able to test this for yourself? Would you have any actual discernment beyond the gross senses and the intellect?

Due to infringement on free will, Ra would not introduce such an influential and distorted system of thought, therefore your hypothetical authority-figure situation is quite moot.

So any information towards the protection or reclamation of health would be an infringement of free will?

In positive channeling there is no procedural information transmitted that is not 1) specifically asked for and not 2) already part of the collective consciousness. So such specific philosophical/methodological/technological understandings are never going to be related in the first place (hence your moot hypothetical point).

If that is the case, why did Ra give an answer that the pharmaceutical Carla was taking was harming her? Pharmaceuticals are a type of technology.

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So, hypothetically, Don could have asked about this and Ra may have answered.

Because knowledge of that drug, created and used by people, was already a part of the collective consciousness. Also there was no novel alternative system of medical understanding offered, but rather pointing out an awareness of choice in the matter.

[βαθμιαίος]

How about the Tesla-type information that Ra said was given by positive entities to the Russians? Would you say that was specifically asked for and already part of the collective consciousness?

[zenmaster]

How about the Tesla-type information that Ra said was given by positive entities to the Russians? Would you say that was specifically asked for and already part of the collective consciousness?

Tesla created his programming so that, during his life, a specialized world view was created that would be amenable to intuitive grasping related to discovering principles of energy. It was Tesla's novel notions of electricity that provided a pattern to help him intuitively translate the suggested relationships into his procedural-knowledge development.

[βαθμιαίος]

I was asking about this:

In the case of those mind/body/spirit complexes which you call Russians, the technology was given from one of the Confederation in an attempt, approximately twenty-seven of your years ago, to share information and bring about peace among your peoples.

[zenmaster]

Anything part of the collective is free game, and also readily recognizable if you have the experience.

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An entity from the confederation could easily provide any manner of technologies which can address all perceived problems - in sophistication, vastly exceeding what had been offered. However, the idea is to provide that which may be adopted in a manner which may be integrated without infringement on choice - given all the alternatives shown viable by the collective memory.

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Philosophical information imposes exactly the same limitations. Hence the insights offered by "Bashar", for example, are only drawn from personal and collective memory - thus not offering a truly novel/infringing "way to be". This "way to be" is necessarily implied by adopting any technology which serves an assumed purpose.