Pornography

[Marc]

Note: I will be talking frankly and explicitly in this thread, so if you are bothered by that sort of thing, than this thread is not for you.

I've just watched Don Jon and it deals with the social issue of porn. After I watched it I felt there was a lot of pieces missing. Basically Jon was addicted to porn, realized it, tried quitting and failed, met a girl he had an emotional relationship with, and no longer wanted porn. It seemed that he looked outside of himself to find the answer and that was it. The end.

Pornography is a huge thing these days and we have access to explicit content anywhere and at any time. The religious group (and many that haven't pondered the true nature of morality/ethics/piety) of society writes all porn off as bad, but the reasoning is pretty spotty and is based on the assumption that open sexuality is bad (a generalization).

1. I wish to hear of our personal experiences with porn and how you work/ed with it.

2. I wish to discuss this topic and shed more light on the ethics of pornography.

3. And lastly, what could be the spiritual implications of such a type of sexual issue?

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I'll start with my experience of porn:

When I was 10 yrs old my brother showed me a porno magazine and that's how I was first exposed to sex. I started masturbating to magazines soon after that and as a Christian I felt horrible inside after it, but I couldn't quit for good. I would go for months without looking at them and then I would fall right back into it. I never talked about it because I was too scared to tell anyone, for fear of them thinking I was a pervert or gross guy. I really was a wonderful living kid, but whenever I thought about that part of me, I cringed.

In highschool I had a very close and religious friend that became my closest friend. After 4 years of being super close he admitted he watched porn and I was blown away. I couldn't believe my best friend watched porn, too! I then told him I struggled with it too and it was the first time I admitted it to anyone, but I admitted it in past tense not present tense because I was still too ashamed.

As I grew older I got an iPhone and lived on my own for a while and I started getting very into porn. I masturbated multiple times a day to it. Whenever I was bored or stressed I'd watch it. During this time I was a worship band leader at my church and a intern at the church. I'd say 'I used to do it, but god delivered me' but that was just a lie. If I told anyone I was addicted, I would be kicked off of everything and be rejected from what I wanted to do and be.

In the meantime, I started realizing I didn't like hardcore stuff. I like sensual, romantic, and erotic porn-- mostly softcore stuff. I could see the look in the girls eyes and I could see pain and a real person [not an object] inside of the 'actress' on the screen. I didn't want to see someone be in pain, that was hurtful to me, I only wanted to see people in real sensual ecstasy (or at least treated well). I'd watch movies with sex scenes that were beautiful and at the core of the issue I found myself in absolute awe of beauty. Beauty captivates me and takes me to a whole nother realm. The female human form captivates my mind-- its beauty is intoxicating. I reasoned within myself, "how can such a love of beauty be bad? God made such beautiful creatures and it'd be a shame for me to avirt my gaze from appreciating His creation..."

During this time I was dating a girl from church and told her everything of myself, except that. Whenever the subject of men watching porn would come up she would respond with utter disgust-- so I decided it would be best not to mention it.

Later we broke up and I went through a phase where I was free from porn for a while. I then met a new girl (later to become my wife) and when we started dating I told her everything. At the time I was free from porn, but later when I couldn't resist I went back and never told her. She too was disgusted by porn and only once got into it for a short while out of curiosity but then turned away in disgust. To openly discuss it was out of the question. We both were virgins when we got married and during our dating period I only slipped up a few times. I'd masturbate but I just wouldn't use 'visual aids' except for a few times. I thought to myself, "when we get married and have sex, I won't have a desire for porn anymore." But little did I know...

The honeymoon came and went (along with my virginity) and I thought I was free from it. But later it rose to the surface once again. She was ok with me masturbating, but 'visual aids' (aka porn) were out of the question. But once again I fell into it and every time porn was brought up, it was made clear how much it would hurt her if she found out I was doing it. She sees it as cheating, and I see it as masturbation with an aid.

So here I am watching softcore porn on occasion (2-3 times a week) and while I don't feel I'm hurting her by my actions, I know that blue-ray exchange isn't possible with her and she has made it clear in other circumstances that she would rather not have me be completely honest with her, because it's too much for her.

As you can see my story is far from an ending, but it's still my [very personal] experience.

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Now in regards to 'ethics'

Even though Ra says there is no "right and wrong for all will be reconciled..." I don't think that means that ethics are non-existent and have no place in a positively polarizing person's life. Now a pretty good definition of ethical behavior I've come across is this: "an equal consideration of interests." [-Peter Singer]

Now this would imply that I not put my own interests as more important than others' interests. To me, clearly unethical behavior, in regards to pornography, would be supporting the suffering of women trapped inside a cruel industry and being sexually exploited against their free-will. Also if my actions were to contribute (directly or indirectly) to the suffering of another being, I would see that as acting in an unethical manner.

Now, the real questions are: How does watching pornography effect others? Is there an ethical way to view pornography? Where is the line between unethical and ethical viewing (assuming there is a line)?

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And lastly, how does porn effect our spiritual practice?

I've heard that ejaculation is a waste of our spiritual energy. For me, I have a very vivid dream life and I'm also semi lucid in all my dreams. I've noticed next to no difference in times where I've ejaculated and refrained for a while. But then again, I've not really gone over a week or so without doing so...

What effect could the actual porn have on the psyche/spiritual energy centers? And is it that different than sex or plain masturbation?

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This thread also mentions pornography here and there and can also be useful reference in this discussion.

I understand this is a very sensitive issue, but I would very much like hear your views on this subject.

[isis]

wonderful post & wonderful timing. i've been discussing this recently. my main concern is with this:

"I've heard that ejaculation is a waste of our spiritual energy. For me, I have a very vivid dream life and I'm also semi lucid in all my dreams. I've noticed next to no difference in times where I've ejaculated and refrained for a while. But then again, I've not really gone over a week or so without doing so..."

same here...i'm currently trying to go a month or more w/o giving myself a clitoral orgasm so i can see what i see lol.

"what could be the spiritual implications of such a type of sexual issue?"

the only possible spiritual implication i can think of would hit u much further down the road. imo, on some level, u're getting romantically involved w/ every1 u're seeing expose themselves...i'm thinking in the astral level &/or in the afterlife...not here; not now. (when the body is obviously, & unquestionably, an indestructible, & infinite, light-body.)

"What effect could the actual porn have on the psyche/spiritual energy centers?"

it likely can dull the senses is my guess. meaning some1 that views porn frequently probably wouldn't feel nearly as much ecstasy as some1 that never did when stumbling upon it...or into it...

"And is it that different than sex or plain masturbation?"

i think so unless u have sex with lots of different people.

"Now, the real questions are: How does watching pornography effect others? Is there an ethical way to view pornography? Where is the line between unethical and ethical viewing (assuming there is a line)?"

my bf looks at porn & i've learned to live with it. there was a time when i wanted him to quit but he tried & couldn't so now i'm just like w/e...i can live with it...boys will be boys...

[Bat]

I probably started watching porn at 13 ish. Was good times. I still watch it. Lots of weird stuff haha.

[GentleReckoning]

I found 'morphs' (photoshopped images with un-naturally large breasts) when I was cleaning up my dad's computer lab at the college. This dominated my sexual fascination, but combined it with a deap-seated guilt that anyone with breasts that large would be ruled by them.

This parallels my own life quite well in that while I was 'addicted' to this kind of perversion I was completely trapped in life and felt that I would never find someone I could be 'in love' with. It's falling away as I learn how to interact with women.

[BrownEye]

The male has a buildup of creative energy. When the male does not express in any creative means it will be easiest to release it through something sexual, which includes porn.

I think it can very easily become an obsession because of creative blockages and the ease of access.

[Horuseus]

I can relate to this. I was introduced to Pornography at around 13 by a friend (You bastard...) and the accompanying act of 'release' has ensued ever since. It was only until around a few years ago that I stopped feeling the associated shame and guilt, and this was due to religious programming/conditioning and suppression through Childhood as is fairly reminiscent of certain Eastern cultures. It appears as though it is a vicious cycle, constantly a 'slave' to that impulse and a 'quick fix' through arousing visual stimuli. Doing this from an early age causes the brain to rewire itself to the dopamine fix and allows one impetus to move away from the natural instinctual and time consuming activity of finding an actual partner to interface with on an intimate level (I think I just made Sex sound unattractive with that sentence).

It is only now recently around 9 years later that I am garnering a wider perspective of the issue, rather than being self critical as would be the norm. On an emotional level I concur with GentleReckoning on one of the underlying thought processes relating to insecurity of Self (Stemming from a root belief of separation and not worthy of Love) and the fear of not finding a physical partner one may feel 'whole' with, though I am realising one must love the Self first, from which an opportunity can be afforded to have another reflect that back to you. There are also other reasons such as my own incarnate circumstances and Ego personality (Introversion for example) geared towards as minimal 'distractions' as possible to allow me to progress on the path I am now in the most timely manner.

Excessive masturbation (Which I would consider anything more than once-twice a week generally speaking - Sex itself is fine in any time interval) to me stems from a deep seated unhappiness and emotional 'hole' which can be 'plugged' (Sorry) with a quick pleasurable fix. The initial motivating mechanism is that, along with boredom, and so to pass the time a few clicks and you're watching something which otherwise would be too much of a headache to achieve on a convenient easy basis is something one would have to be an idiot to pass up. The underlying core belief can be found when probing ones thought processes and following the 'chain' back upon feeling the impulse. For me the core root belief was a separation from 'God' and the state of 'Bliss' that may ensue (Which can be experienced consciously on a continual basis as one expands their awareness).

The issue tends to be the mass telepathic consensus we are tapping into which still provides the root assumptions and base beliefs of a Guilt in Sex, primarily stemming from Archaic belief systems. If one reads 2150 A.D. this is pretty much eradicated and the sexuality of the Human Being is embraced fully by all with no associated Guilt, which should be the desired 'default' behaviour. The Guilt and feeling of 'helplessness' from the 'addiction' is exacerbated when one sees the years one has spent masturbating, and as a result feels as though they are in a trap. This however is fallacious thinking when taken from the perspective that the linear perspective of time is simply an illusion, that your Body/life is recreated every quantum instance and is wholly subject to your belief-charged thoughts.

A message from within was: "All time Is now. The past and future is birthed from now. Quitting is realising you have never done so in the present moment and accepting that with unconditional love and acceptance."

At present I have it down to around once or twice a week, though this tends to be sporadic. I have felt positive effects as a result, though this could be due to an associated belief in better health if one stopped doing it so frequently (If this is the case for you it's easier to just go along with it rather than brute force change that belief). The catalyst for me has been diminishing sensitivity, and a general feeling of lethargy and 'tiredness' due to the release of certain energies that are not being funnelled back through the crown as occurs with sexual transfer between two beings. I suppose on the physical side the continual expelling of minerals and protein doesn't help, in that resources which can be devoted by the Body to perform other functions are then needed to continually replenish. Trust me, when your body needs to naturally expel it will happen; it's called wet dreams. You don't need to push it along yourself by yanking it like a monkey from a mango tree.

Pornography itself for the most part tends to harbour a lower vibration, though this is dependent on what is being portrayed on screen. This also apparent with interviews with former pornstars and the various exploitive practises used. Animalistic traits portrayed through the screen provides a certain resonant frequency and subliminal suggestions which reprograms ones own being to act more in line with base impulsive carnal desires. This is true for all forms of media along all forms of medium, and it is imperative we understand the Body is a molecular glob of mass vibrating at various frequencies which are affected by what is 'ingested' (Also a glob of molecules at various frequencies, to put it simply) and by what it is exposed to.

To Quit simply remove the need to Quit, as this is merely unnecessary burden which is increased each time one partakes in the act - Go with what your Body and intuition tells you, if it feels out of alignment then explore that feeling. You then cease giving your power over to this conditioned notion as you are accepting the emotion as valid rather than something to be shunned. Instead see masturbation as a celebration of the male creative force, and upon 'release' the energy/state is quite potent so direct your thoughts at a desired aspect of 3D reality one would like to manifest or project, rather than at an anonymous Human Being, because then cords are formed to the individual. Your thoughts are things and are quite powerful, be vigilant with them.

[Aureus]

I've heard that ejaculation is a waste of our spiritual energy.

Expends some red energy. So will unground you a bit and make you a bit more tired. However, 2-3 times a week I'd say is a moderate amount. If you don't release the pressure, eventually your body will on its own. Never ejaculating won't turn you into superman.

What effect could the actual porn have on the psyche/spiritual energy centers?

Activates almost exclusively orange ray. So if you constantly think about sex, your orange ray will be constantly overactive, causing imbalance.

And is it that different than sex or plain masturbation?

Depends what kind of relationship you have to your partner.. and what types of fantasies you have.. But the orange part is a constant.

[AnthroHeart]

I only like male anthro artwork. That's cartoon characters that are 1/2 human and half wolfy or husky. They have the bodies of a human and typically head of a wolf. But they are cartoons. Those are what I get off too, if they are especially yiffy. I'm not into women.

[reeay]

Marc- when do you usually find your self consuming pornography?

Some other issues I can think of are how it is used or over-used (e.g., distancing from partner/emotional infidelity, for mutual pleasure with partner, temporarily solution to release energy)... or what expectations people get from watching it (esp around female sexuality, objectification, fact that most of the 'pleasure' is faked by actresses). As Horesus said, that dopamine overload is an important issue bc it can lead to addiction… you can exercise and release dopamine too. I guess there are alternative which you may divert your energy.

I learned from a ninja master (yeah they exist!) that tai chi masters have issues around needing lots of sexual release bc they do not ground their chi/energy enough. So that's red ray that's being effected.

[Fastidious Emanations]

I masturbate basically every day but almost exclusively never watch porn.
I find I become so involved in the woman's well-being that i can't even watch the video any longer cause she's always getting DOMINATED!!
and I can't shy away from the fact that I am another one of those 500,000+ views or whatever.
So when I have masturbated with porn i am actually wishing for her to have a fulfilling experience.
This method of energy transfer seems less-than-productive, as embracing/transmuting the energy would likely afford a greater possibility of real sexual exchange, offering actual interaction and more dense energy activations, etc.

the green-ray activation is always vulnerable to the yellow or orange ray of possession, this being largely yellow ray but often coming into orange ray. Fear of possession, desire for possession, fear of being possessed, desire to be possessed: these are the distortions which will cause the deactivation of green-ray energy transfer.

I have a question that the instrument has asked that I would like to ask for the instrument. She says, you speak of various types of energy blockages and transfers, positive and negative, that may take place due to participation in our sexual reproductive complex of actions. She states, please explain these blockages and energy transfers with emphasis upon what an individual seeking to be in accordance with the Law of One may positively do in this area? Is it possible for you to answer this question?
Ra: I am Ra. It is partially possible, given the background we have laid. This is properly a more advanced question. Due to the specificity of the question we may give general answer.

The first energy transfer is red ray. It is a random transfer having to do only with your reproductive system.

The orange- and the yellow-ray attempts to have sexual intercourse create, firstly, a blockage if only one entity vibrates in this area, thus causing the entity vibrating sexually in this area to have a never-ending appetite for this activity. What these vibratory levels are seeking is green-ray activity. There is the possibility of orange- or yellow-ray energy transfer; this being polarizing towards the negative: one being seen as object rather than other-self; the other seeing itself as plunderer or master of the situation.

In third* ray there are two possibilities. Firstly, if both vibrate in third* ray there will be a mutually strengthening energy transfer, the negative or female, as you call it, drawing the energy from the roots of the beingness up through the energy centers, thus being physically revitalized; the positive, or male polarity, as it is deemed in your illusion, finding in this energy transfer an inspiration which satisfies and feeds the spirit portion of the body/mind/spirit complex, thus both being polarized and releasing the excess of that which each has in abundance by nature of intelligent energy, that is, negative/intuitive, positive/physical energies as you may call them; this energy transfer being blocked only if one or both entities have fear of possession, of being possessed, of desiring possession or desiring being possessed.

* This should be fourth or green. Don and Ra corrected the error in session 32.

The other green-ray possibility is that of one entity offering green-ray energy, the other not offering energy of the universal love energy, this resulting in a blockage of energy for the one not green ray thus increasing frustration or appetite; the green-ray being polarizing slightly towards service to others.

The blue-ray energy transfer is somewhat rare among your people at this time but is of great aid due to energy transfers involved in becoming able to express the self without reservation or fear.

The indigo-ray transfer is extremely rare among your people. This is the sacramental portion of the body complex whereby contact may be made through the violet ray with intelligent infinity. No blockages may occur at these latter two levels due to the fact that if both entities are not ready for this energy it is not visible and neither transfer nor blockage may take place. It is as though the distributor were removed from a powerful engine.

This instrument was able, as an example of this working, to baffle the Orion group during [tape blank] experiences, as you call this substance, due to the fact that it effectively completely opened other-self to third-ray— we correct this instrument, it is growing low in vital energy— green-ray energy and partially open other-self to blue-ray interaction. May we ask if you have any queries before we close?

Due to the nature of solitary sexual experiences, it is in most cases unlikely that what you call masturbation has an imprinting effect upon later experiences.

love/light

[GentleReckoning]

The male has a buildup of creative energy. When the male does not express in any creative means it will be easiest to release it through something sexual, which includes porn.

I think it can very easily become an obsession because of creative blockages and the ease of access.

So, when I feel the urge to 'release', I should simply try expressing myself creatively?

[Marc]

Thank you all for your responses and insights, it'd take a while to respond to each, so I'm just gonna respond to a few.

Marc- when do you usually find your self consuming pornography?

For the most part it happens when I'm bored, just want to relax, and desire a release (I've always had a lot of sexual energy). In the past I would use it to escape loneliness, but I don't feel that way very much since I'm married.

Some other issues I can think of are how it is used or over-used (e.g., distancing from partner/emotional infidelity, for mutual pleasure with partner, temporarily solution to release energy)... or what expectations people get from watching it (esp around female sexuality, objectification, fact that most of the 'pleasure' is faked by actresses). As Horesus said, that dopamine overload is an important issue bc it can lead to addiction… you can exercise and release dopamine too. I guess there are alternative which you may divert your energy.

I have not used it as a way to escape fidelity and it hasn't been that I don't enjoy our sex-- it's more about an aid to masturbation than anything.

In regards to objectification, I don't enjoy mainstream porn, but enjoy nude art and soft core scenes (many lesbian scenes) because of appreciating the natural beauty of sexuality. I'd hate to see women being treated as objects and being 'dominated' as PA referenced in his post.

In regards to 'addiction', what constitutes an addiction? I like eating whole wheat bread a whole lot and it'd be very hard for me to cut it out of my diet. Am I 'addicted' to it? I know there could possibly be benifits to me going gluten free, but I like gluten, is that really an addiction?

What is the definition of addiction?

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The male has a buildup of creative energy. When the male does not express in any creative means it will be easiest to release it through something sexual, which includes porn.

I think it can very easily become an obsession because of creative blockages and the ease of access.

I've tried this before by writing songs and playing guitar-- to quote a fav video game of mine: "it's not very effective". But that's just my subjective experience...

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I've heard that ejaculation is a waste of our spiritual energy.

Expends some red energy. So will unground you a bit and make you a bit more tired. However, 2-3 times a week I'd say is a moderate amount. If you don't release the pressure, eventually your body will on its own. Never ejaculating won't turn you into superman.

What effect could the actual porn have on the psyche/spiritual energy centers?

Activates almost exclusively orange ray. So if you constantly think about sex, your orange ray will be constantly overactive, causing imbalance.

And is it that different than sex or plain masturbation?

Depends what kind of relationship you have to your partner.. and what types of fantasies you have.. But the orange part is a constant.

*darn about not becoming superman by abstaining from release!*

I don't think about sex very much, just when I'm bored. Also I don't have any fantasies, I just enjoy bliss.

[Turtle]

So here I am watching softcore porn on occasion (2-3 times a week) and while I don't feel I'm hurting her by my actions, I know that blue-ray exchange isn't possible with her and she has made it clear in other circumstances that she would rather not have me be completely honest with her, because it's too much for her.

This struck me as something very important to consider for myself personally, in that when I am ready to engage in a new relationship, I will need to be able to have back and forth, open blue ray communication with my partner on every issue that ever comes up, or else I will not continue the relationship...

But on the topic of porn...

Just like with anything else, porn is a tool, and can be used for good or bad, by both the watcher and the people involved in producing it. If one is willing to be honest about what kind of porn they are watching, and how it truly affects their life, then they can very quickly discover the ways in which to use this tool in a conscious and positive way.

Personally, I highly enjoy watching live feeds of women who are attempting to have watchers pay them money to perform whatever sexual acts they agree to on screen for a certain amount of time. I actually only enjoy watching them before someone buys private time with them, and look upon them with an open heart and mind and just enjoy the feeling of presence that translates very tangibly from the screen...I've noticed that very quickly I can help make the vibe get very lively and sensual, without ever typing a word on screen, because I'm offering unconditional love as well as sexually charged energy to a person in real time that I can actually see...I made a lot of mistakes at first within my mind, in how to view them, but now I've got it down very well by simply being honest to whatever I'm feeling within myself as I participate in viewing the woman on screen.

It's actually VERY TAME compared to what exists in the world of pre-recorded porn, but it has been extremely helpful in putting me in touch with the more metaphysical energies involved with sexual interactions...and because of this method, I've noticed that whenever I get curious and watch pre-recorded material, I will very quickly feel the essence of whatever's going on...if it something with elements of control and domination it will feel like poison to me and I cannot watch it...so needless to say I am very picky about what kind of pre-recorded porn I allow myself to be subjected to...

[Patrick]

I choose to see everything from a positive perspective, including porn...

[reeay]

Yeah it doesn't seem like you're using it in ways that could distract and negatively affect your relationships. I guess in relationships, there are agreements/understandings between couples around this issue and mutual agreement via negotiations and whatnot. You're aware of potential issues and thinking deeply around it so I think you are being mindful about it. That's great!
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Addiction and dopamine (and endorphines) is a complex phenom so this is really over-simplifying it. : in neurological terms, dopamine is related to aniticipation of reward (it's part of the reward mechanism), motivation, enjoyment. Dopamine is what drives things like conditioning one's behavior. Sex is like a natural drug bc during sex opiates like endorphine & others like dopamine are released.

Too much dopamine and you keep wanting that satiation so you do more of it. Your brain will get desensitized to normal amounts of dopamine so there will be drive to increase it by engaging in activities that will increase dopamine. Without it, some people may experience changes in mood and whatnot. Then you have something like addiction - you have tolerance and withdrawal.

Our chemical body, when unchecked by other faculties like the mind, can take over. So moderation/discipline and using multiple methods like meditation, grounding activities, exercise, initimate relation w/ partner etc etc., is helpful. Balance.

[xise]

I've had guilt over this in the past, but nowadays I am without guilt and also don't feel drawn to porn on a daily basis. It should be noted that I never really got into commercial porn; I've generally only watched homemade because it seemed more real.

What helped me was:

1) Finding the love in all types of sex, whether red, orange, yellow, green, blue, indigo. I don't think entities that are capable of indigo sexual transfers look at green ray only transfers and think "oh my god how barbaric and primitive and un-evolved that green ray transfer is!" I think they recognize the sacramental nature of all sexual transfers, regardless of what ray it maxes out at between two entities. I try to appreciate all forms of sex.

2) Totally accepting my sexual desires. I grew up in a family where premarital sex is morally and ethically wrong, and where the implication was that sex was dirty except between two lifelong mates who wanted to procreate. I'm now totally ok with the fact that I have some very interesting sexual interests (probably just kinky, not any huge fetishes or anything), but dealing with this was difficult until I realized that sex is beautiful. There are no "perverts". Just the Creator experiencing itself.

3) Totally removing all self-judgment and guilt from anything I do or decide to do. I trust myself enough now to know I don't need deterrence from guilt and self-judgment to learn and evolve, and in fact they are an impediment.

Prior to these three things, I had trouble understanding my desire for porn and also felt like my desire controlled me more than I understood the desire. Now, I feel the sexual part of me is fully integrated into me, and I'm less drawn to porn and interestingly I gain much more enjoyment out of all sexual things, including porn, but also including flirting with an everyday girl (whereas previous there was some sort of porn desensitization that seemed to occur with real interactions with the opposite sex, probably because of or in combination with the orange ray imbalances discussed above).

That being said, man, I looove women. Sorry I had to mention that because living at home for a few months with the aforementioned family is rough on the dating life!

p.s. I think frequent masturbation doesn't do anything crazy to you energetically, just temporarily lowers your red ray...even the best of us need rest and recuperation!

[Melissa]

Watching/reading porn/erotica has helped me reconnecting with my own sexuality and figuring out my preferences. It has also been a great catalyst for dealing with shame, guilt and fear.
I don't watch porn anymore but I still enjoy sensual imagery, every now and then.

[Light of Wisdom]

[video=youtube]www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_ndudCHbmg[/video]

[video=youtube]www.youtube.com/watch?v=55nblfPyhmQ[/video]

I hope that helps.

And that ties into this:
[video=youtube]www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUVVZo4FdaM[/video]

[Bang Kaew]

after reading the LOO i just was not turned on by porn. In a nut shell i think love and lust are opposites and lust is a sign of an energy centre blockage. Negative entities feed off lust vibration, or rather degraded sex vibration.

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also i think anal is very negative. When my gf dumped me after a 6 years (the joker in me wants to say 'for watching porn'!) i was devestated and I felt so weak my semen leaked out and I could smell it in the day. Also i had a desire to penetrate my anus. I think that feeling of utter weakness is how you feel being analed. Probably why satanists use it for sex magic.

[GentleReckoning]

after reading the LOO i just was not turned on by porn. In a nut shell i think love and lust are opposites and lust is a sign of an energy centre blockage. Negative entities feed off lust vibration, or rather degraded sex vibration.

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also i think anal is very negative. When my gf dumped me after a 6 years (the joker in me wants to say 'for watching porn'!) i was devestated and I felt so weak my semen leaked out and I could smell it in the day. Also i had a desire to penetrate my anus. I think that feeling of utter weakness is how you feel being analed. Probably why satanists use it for sex magic.

Lust is simply fueled by a scarcity mindset. Imagine if there were still temples where women healed people sexually.

Technically there are, but our society has combined this activity with money and alcohol, further fueling the distortion that money can provide you with love.

[Marc]

Light of Wisdom,

Interesting video. I recently have been experimenting with non-ejactulative orgasms. It quite wonderful feeling the few times I've been able to pull it off. It's like I truly feel bliss without a draining of energy. I think I may try the 21 day challenge.

Have you? And if so, would you like to share your experience?

[xise]

after reading the LOO i just was not turned on by porn. In a nut shell i think love and lust are opposites and lust is a sign of an energy centre blockage. Negative entities feed off lust vibration, or rather degraded sex vibration.

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also i think anal is very negative. When my gf dumped me after a 6 years (the joker in me wants to say 'for watching porn'!) i was devestated and I felt so weak my semen leaked out and I could smell it in the day. Also i had a desire to penetrate my anus. I think that feeling of utter weakness is how you feel being analed. Probably why satanists use it for sex magic.

There are many good people in the world who have their heart chakra blocked by distortions they are desperately trying to remove but don't know how. You often see this played out by people who don't let their walls down.

Don't people who have higher centers blocked unintentionally deserve to enjoy sex, if only at the yellow or orange or red level?

This description very much fit me five years ago, where I would refuse to get close to any girl in dating and my interaction was very much at a red ray level, due to blockages in orange.

In my opinion, if we truly wish to enjoy sex with higher ray transfers, it is an impediment to feel guilty or self-judge or judge (all orange ray distortions) lower ray transfers as "bad". The lower rays are the foundation. If we don't embrace, understand, and accept the foundation, we can't begin to truly enjoy the transfers that occur at the higher rays.

You clearly see this paradigm in general balancing, and I believe this paradigm applies to sexual energy transfers as well: Just because power is often used in this world to hurt and control others does not mean power is in and of itself "bad." Just because sex for fun and without heart based love is often used when cheating and to hurt others does not mean sex for fun is in and of itself "bad". I think the Ra material clearly emphasizes the latter concept of balancing and accepting the lower rays and in this case the personal power lower ray aspects in order to become better balanced; I believe this too is true of the lower ray sexual energy transfers.

[Aureus]

Even if you manage to hold the "artilleri".. I'm pretty sure you'll just pee it out anyway.

[Plenum]

its probably best to remember that sexuality is not just physical, but also mental (emotional) and spiritual too.

if you keep that in mind, the way you use porn (or not) will change.

or rather one's understanding of it will change.

is masturbation (sex) just physical release (hormonal, and 'has' to be done) or is there is a mental (emotional) and spiritual need for 'release' as well.

it just ain't a physical act, is what I think Ra references.

there is also loneliness of the body (and the mind, and spirit) which can be assuaged by sexual intercourse.

[Ankh]

Imagine if there were still temples where women healed people sexually.

You said, "imagine if there were *still* temples where women healed people sexually". What did you mean but "still"? That there has been such temples? Which ones in that case? Can you give some examples of these temples?

[xise]

http://www.goddesstemple.com/ceremonies

Looks like some are still around! Some of the tantric priestesses are nice.

[Ankh]

http://www.goddesstemple.com/ceremonies

Looks like some are still around! Some of the tantric priestesses are nice.

xise, are you serious? How is this different from prositution? Well, I guess that they are using nice words, and perhaps there is even a nice thought behind this, but still... The girls are being paid!? :-/

The pictures are also about advertising the body in a red/orange ray level, looking almost like pornography. There is nothing wrong with it, but it is not, as I see it currently, a healing offered from the green-ray level, brought through indigo and violet rays. Also, girls are not choosing their partners to be "healed"? And I see this currently as more service to self way. But please correct my thinking if I am wrong...

This "temple" is not what I had in mind. What I had in mind is a particular life that I remember, where I was some sort of temple worker/priestess. There was a real temple in the sense of being a holy ground, or sacred place where worshipping of distortion of the One at the time was going on. Then there were gatherings with men, where I and others like me participated. We were seen as "holy women". We would perform dances, but only if we so desired, and then make love to men, also *only* if we desired, in a healing purposes, or in purposes of us being channels of that sacred energy, or what Ra might perhaps call intelligent infinity. I have vague memories of these moments, when the sky opened up, and I could channel that opening to the men. And that was a very sacred act. In no way do I remember this being paid for, or in any way returned by the men, as this was my service to the One. Of course, I had to have a roof under my head, and food to eat, etc., but this was provided by the temple, not the ones to be healed.

But of course, maybe these memories are skewed, and it wasn't like that at all. I actually never bothered to look this up before. This is why I asked if there are any temples of the sort that I described, recorded in our history...

[xise]

I wasn't being totally serious.

Still, I don't know if I see the linked "temple" or even prostitution as necessarily STS, but I doubt they offer green-ray level sexual energy transfers. However, that page does seem to believe in their orange ray sexual healing capacity - they even talk about the sacral chakra.

I guess we won't know for sure until someone tries it out...any volunteers?

[AnthroHeart]

I guess we won't know for sure until someone tries it out...any volunteers?

I'm gay and only like cartoon characters, so I'm out.

[Jade]

What a delightfully thoughtful thread, let me see which of my thoughts I can add to the discussion.

I think the main problem is the stigma that our society puts on sex and how that is in turn reflected in our porn. Like prim said, a lot of it has to do with domination/subordination. I like the Ra quote he listed describing how the types of sex/pornography we are attracted to can be a reflection of our blockages. I have to admit, I used to watch porn, and there was a time where I on occasion would favor some pretty dom/sub type stuff - but more often than not it was lesbian porn (no bisexuality, just probably a "safer" environment to view sex in general). I guess I just used it as a "visual aid" that facilitated arousal when I was on my own - as female arousal can be a slow and deliberate process!

I think a lot of the time what arouses us sexually is so unconscious that it would take a lot to uncover and explain. Not to mention we've been manipulated with the media our whole lives creating odd sexual associations with just about everything at this point.

I guess my point is that sex is so natural and it's happening all the time, I think we think too much about when we use it in a playful/frivolous sense, as masturbation can seem to be. I understand the female projection of not wanting your man to look at porn/masturbate without you - I think in an ideal world for many, in a relationship, the man would fantasize solely about the girl he was with and create fantasies around that, if he wasn't just totally satisfied by the sexual experience she offered. Of course the imagination isn't always as sharp and vibrant as raw images. Maybe something to be approached would be creating your own couples video/pictures... something simple that you can replace your stock "visual aids" with or whatever, if that would work for you. I've had success in this arena when I've been with men who were still interested in pornography.