I have a confession to make.

[Lycen]

Due to this post, I can no longer offer my opinion in future posts nor make future threads for obvious reasons.

Maybe I am dense, as I do not perceive a obvious reason why this revelation of you is a de facto retirement from the forum?!

I dunno what you are or could be except what I think of you .) If this knowledge that you shared, lets you be happy and loving then I am overjoyed! If not, perhaps you could keep on looking

Edit: Post was messing with me again. Peeps from "my dashboard" > "Edit your Profile" > "Edit Options" choose what ever value works for you from "Posts Per Page" if ya have this glitch (try them). I 'fixed' it with the 50 post per page one, had it on default. After that could see my post to tweak it (doubled the message in it by 'accident' .p). Thanks go to Rie for mentioning it in an other thread!

[zenmaster]

How one uses this realization is much more important in terms of participating here than the actual realization itself. 

I agree with this on one hand, but on the other I think this is somewhat inconsiderate of the actual vividness and impact this kind of realization can have upon a person.

Impact such as that which fuels fanaticism and zealotry? Oh wait "transcendent knowingness". People are always held responsible for their "revelations", regardless of how tightly they may or may not identify with them.

[Ankh]

Austin, I loved your post, but I disagree with this part (for the moment as I may have misunderstood it):

I've not seen a single instance where a member was ostracized nor worshiped for revealing their feelings of being a Ra wanderer.

In the past we've had a thread in this forum where people were discussing what density they may be come from if they identified themselves as Wanderers. It was just an innocent thread with innocent discussion, so I thought, and in that thread for the first time I said what I believed about myself. What happened further in that thread is that there appeared a side-discussion, where two groups were arguing against each other. There wasn't maybe an ostracizing, but at least disharmony because of this separation of these groups. What I personally felt after this discussion, is that it was "un-safe" to speak such things, even in the forum such as this one. And you, my friend, was one of theses people who were somewhat negative towards other people interested in discussing topics such as was that one. :p Here is that thread:

if you self identify as a Wanderer, what density do you think you come from?

So, yeah, considering these past experiences, today - though caring less about other's opinions - I would still be careful before speaking my mind again in regards to what density I think that I am from, not even mentioning the social memory complex that I think I am from.

Adonai One, I didn't get one thing - why do you have to stop posting after this confession? You weren't clear on that point.

[Bring4th_Austin]

Thank you Ankh for pointing that out. You can see my perception here isn't necessarily in tune with the perceptions of those expressing angst.

It is probably a larger topic for the forum, spreading beyond the wanderer concept, of how asking questions can be seen to be a expression of doubt. There is another side to the same coin though, where as someone who may want to delve into the deeper meaning of what it means to be a wanderer may not feel comfortable doing so, knowing that it may be perceived as disharmony. In either case, someone feels they cannot share their thoughts. In different atmospheres, it may be a confession to say one is a wanderer, or a confession to say one has questions about identifying as a wanderer.

I do not view questioning as ostracizing though I understand that some might. This is a consistent theme here.

[Ankh]

You can see my perception here isn't necessarily in tune with the perceptions of those expressing angst.

I didn't get that. You perception "here" - where? And who is expressing angst?

I do not view questioning as ostracizing though I understand that some might. This is a consistent theme here.

Some are genuinely curious and are really asking the questions because of an interest. And some are "asking the questions" because of an underlying judgement that they want to discuss, but are not really interested. The latter is indeed a catalyst, but not a positively oriented one, towards service to others. This is a consistent theme here too.

Either way, I was just saying that I loved your post, except that little part with which I was disagreeing. This is not a place of complete acceptance yet (one of the most accepting though), and I am glad that people can express more of their thoughts now in regards to whatever topic, without an army of people who are "asking the questions" and judging them. =)

[Bring4th_Austin]

You can see my perception here isn't necessarily in tune with the perceptions of those expressing angst.

I didn't get that. You perception "here" - where? And who is expressing angst?

Within this thread, regarding the topic those who feel angst because they must keep secret their identification as a wanderer.

I do not view questioning as ostracizing though I understand that some might. This is a consistent theme here.

Some are genuinely curious and are really asking the questions because of an interest. And some are "asking the questions" because of an underlying judgement that they want to discuss, but are not really interested. The latter is indeed a catalyst, but not a positively oriented one, towards service to others. This is a consistent theme here too.

This is the other side of the coin I was referring to, as someone may refrain from asking questions they wish to ask because they are being perceived as "not positively oriented." When questioning is interpreted as being a negative catalyst, it creates the same hesitation to share.

[Unbound]

How one uses this realization is much more important in terms of participating here than the actual realization itself. 

I agree with this on one hand, but on the other I think this is somewhat inconsiderate of the actual vividness and impact this kind of realization can have upon a person.

Impact such as that which fuels fanaticism and zealotry? Oh wait "transcendent knowingness". People are always held responsible for their "revelations", regardless of how tightly they may or may not identify with them.

What are you implying, that all revelatory experience leads to inflated ego?

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This all seems, to me, to be the same classic conflict of concept between different perceptions. There is ever believers and non-believers, skeptics and supporters, doubters and those with faith and a whole myriad middle spectrum of uncertainty, disinterest, indifference, curiosity, amusement, compassion, disregard, enthusiasm, etc, etc.

This topic in particular seems to breed this conflict because of the "fantastic"ness of what is being expressed.

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Also, frankly I don't feel anymore resolved about the situation, and it is increasingly uncomfortable for me to post simply because I largely feel I no longer have anything worthwhile to say and that makes me sad. Maybe it's better for me to continue my detachment from the forum. Either way, these are just my own thoughts and feelings and no one else's, blessings to you all, I wish you well.

I am sure this will be taken as "angst", but apparently it's okay to feel emotions, go figure. Peace.

[vervex]

I'm just dropping by to say that I'm very happy you let it all out, Adonai. I was doubtful when I first read your post but in retrospect I believe it was a good decision to share this information with the forum. Not only does it allow you to express yourself fully, but you also act as a catalyst for all sorts of thoughts, emotions and reactions ranging from acceptance to perplexment, love to displeasure. I'm also delighted to read that some used this opportunity to share their own origins. You are a great catalyst indeed, and I think a lot of us are deeply grateful.

Please keep shining your light. It is truly beautiful. Love & Light

[Jeremy]

l seems, to me, to be the same classic conflict of concept between different perceptions. There is ever believers and non-believers, skeptics and supporters, doubters and those with faith and a whole myriad middle spectrum of uncertainty, disinterest, indifference, curiosity, amusement, compassion, disregard, enthusiasm, etc, etc.

This topic in particular seems to breed this conflict because of the "fantastic"ness of what is being expressed.

There is where the root of the issue is I think. Not only this particular instance but it's been a growing uneasiness that I have felt in here during this time of tumultuous interactions. It's a growing divide over those who have taken to the path of the adept and those that aren't. The question is why?

Is it because some lack the faith to accept/believe that some truly are on a magical path causing cynism? Could it be the way that this info is being presented and projected is causing catalyst for those that still need to work on acceptance? Or could it be an underlying feeling of envy that others seem to be "more advanced" therefore "better" which point to a personal catalyst of self acceptance/self esteem or lack thereof?

Do I think some of the experiences that I read on here are sometimes hard to believe? Sure considering the ongoing battle I have with my intellect but that doesn't mean I automatically nix the idea of it actually being true. I just sit back, take it in and realize that I have to accept that which they have written since I can and will never know if they are telling the truth or living a life of delusion. More importantly, it's not for me to judge whether it's true because ultimately, what I think matters not in the grand scheme of life. This doesn't mean that I would berate or interrogate those that post such fantastical posts either. I just accept it though it's still a work in progress as it's apparent that it is also for many others.

People pour their hearts out on here about issues that would condemn them to a life of ridicule in the "real world" so this place must preserve that atmosphere of protection and acceptance or this entire board is all for naught in the eyes of the LOO. This is supposed to be a place where one can pry open their souls and reveal whatever form they are comfortable in at that moment whether it's free spirit, magi, channeler, psychic, or simply a Being.

What this ultimately has done is created a wonderful catalyst for all of those involved. We should collectively learn from this and improve upon whatever personal catalyst this has created to become a more harmonious community united in our goals to live a life according to the LOO or as close as we possibly can within this density.

[Charles]

Adonai One has claimed to be one of Ra.

(S)he has also claimed:

Due to this post, I can no longer offer my opinion in future posts nor make future threads for obvious reasons. That's a sacrifice I am willing to make. Feel free to email me.

Both of your claims amaze me.

Certainly we are all One, and Ra is a part of That One.
And in this respect we are all part of Ra, and we are all One with Ra. We are all One.

Personally, reviewing your posts, I have no more or less respect for you than before.

Of course anything is possible, but you haven't impressed me in any way with either the wisdom, or the genius, or the knowledge, or the peace, or the humility, or the humor of enlightenment.

And I don't believe your claim to never post here again either. You may come back as Goody 2 Shoes, or as Harry, or as Vishnu, or more likely as THE ONE, which after all Adonai One is.

But, I must admit that I've enjoyed your subversiveness, sometimes responding and sometimes ignoring.

I let you go Adonai One, with my love and best wishes.

THAT ONE loves all of us: the kind and the selfish, the generous and the greedy, equally.

THAT ONE recognizes each of us as a part of Itself. Loving yourself is correct and encouraged and logical, though I still find it difficult.

And like Ankh, I have never (personally or on this forum) told anyone what I feel I am, or have learned I am, or am still trying to wrap my head around. I cannot get over my amazement, or my embarrassment. I feel embarrassed because of the arrogance of it.

[Bring4th_Austin]

Also, frankly I don't feel anymore resolved about the situation, and it is increasingly uncomfortable for me to post simply because I largely feel I no longer have anything worthwhile to say and that makes me sad. Maybe it's better for me to continue my detachment from the forum. Either way, these are just my own thoughts and feelings and no one else's, blessings to you all, I wish you well.

I am sure this will be taken as "angst", but apparently it's okay to feel emotions, go figure. Peace.

Not to convince you to stay or leave, sometimes a respite from the forums can be refreshing. But I would like to reach out to understand a bit better about what the situation is that you refer to, and what could be done to help you feel that it is resolved? Also, if the label of angst is ill-fitting, I apologize...it's how I related your expressions to my own experiences on the forums which I thought were similar.

[Parsons]

...
People pour their hearts out on here about issues that would condemn them to a life of ridicule in the "real world" so this place must preserve that atmosphere of protection and acceptance or this entire board is all for naught in the eyes of the LOO. This is supposed to be a place where one can pry open their souls and reveal whatever form they are comfortable in at that moment whether it's free spirit, magi, channeler, psychic, or simply a Being.

What this ultimately has done is created a wonderful catalyst for all of those involved. We should collectively learn from this and improve upon whatever personal catalyst this has created to become a more harmonious community united in our goals to live a life according to the LOO or as close as we possibly can within this density.

This has been on my mind since I started browsing the forums, but I could never quite articulate it properly. Well said.

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The discussion in this thread has been very helpful to me in general.

[zenmaster]

How one uses this realization is much more important in terms of participating here than the actual realization itself. 

I agree with this on one hand, but on the other I think this is somewhat inconsiderate of the actual vividness and impact this kind of realization can have upon a person.

Impact such as that which fuels fanaticism and zealotry? Oh wait "transcendent knowingness". People are always held responsible for their "revelations", regardless of how tightly they may or may not identify with them.

What are you implying, that all revelatory experience leads to inflated ego?

No - some are of course. The obvious typical examples of fanaticism and zealotry, which are actually protective coping mechanisms of identification (with an idea). The quality and degree of any distraction really depends on interpretation and integration of experience, which is provided by circumstances of relative balance and maturity. Constant appeal to infinities due to strong identification with a transcendent principle are used as an unconscious mechanism to deflect balancing responsibility from undeveloped, fragile ego. But the idea of "contact" in the first place was to simply force acknowledgement that one has a spiritual nature (yay) rather than to distract.

[Unbound]

Also, frankly I don't feel anymore resolved about the situation, and it is increasingly uncomfortable for me to post simply because I largely feel I no longer have anything worthwhile to say and that makes me sad. Maybe it's better for me to continue my detachment from the forum. Either way, these are just my own thoughts and feelings and no one else's, blessings to you all, I wish you well.

I am sure this will be taken as "angst", but apparently it's okay to feel emotions, go figure. Peace.

Not to convince you to stay or leave, sometimes a respite from the forums can be refreshing. But I would like to reach out to understand a bit better about what the situation is that you refer to, and what could be done to help you feel that it is resolved? Also, if the label of angst is ill-fitting, I apologize...it's how I related your expressions to my own experiences on the forums which I thought were similar.

You know, I have always seen myself as being more than just a human, and yet my humanness is always with me, it is strange to experience.

I am having difficulty fully feeling my words. I at times think of countless things to say with nothing needing to be said it seems, maybe my own perception.

There is only the sorrow of the spirit to be felt and resolved and seen as the other end of eternal bliss. I am sad because it is not acceptable, or highly questioned, in much of society that I have experienced, to make claims about the self that in any way suggest that that individual has experienced what is beyond the bounds of their current physical body and the endless rounds of inquisition seem to just lead to a stagnancy of the abilities, which are natural to all.

I admit, maybe I do feel angst and I realized I felt cut by that word because of things in my past which coloured my perception of that word. I learned a new thing today, I am glad.

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How one uses this realization is much more important in terms of participating here than the actual realization itself. 

I agree with this on one hand, but on the other I think this is somewhat inconsiderate of the actual vividness and impact this kind of realization can have upon a person.

Impact such as that which fuels fanaticism and zealotry? Oh wait "transcendent knowingness". People are always held responsible for their "revelations", regardless of how tightly they may or may not identify with them.

What are you implying, that all revelatory experience leads to inflated ego?

No - some are of course. The obvious typical examples of fanaticism and zealotry, which are actually protective coping mechanisms of identification (with an idea). The quality and degree of any distraction really depends on interpretation and integration of experience, which is provided by circumstances of relative balance and maturity. Constant appeal to infinities due to strong identification with a transcendent principle are used as an unconscious mechanism to deflect balancing responsibility from undeveloped, fragile ego. But the idea of "contact" in the first place was to simply force acknowledgement that one has a spiritual nature (yay) rather than to distract.

So you do not believe there has ever been any physical contact between humans and higher beings?

[Hototo]

An Ego that has much charge run through it will bloat. An ego that no longer has much charge going through it will deflate. If you resist either phase you are inbalanced, what is the problem here?

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No - some are of course. The obvious typical examples of fanaticism and zealotry, which are actually protective coping mechanisms of identification (with an idea). The quality and degree of any distraction really depends on interpretation and integration of experience, which is provided by circumstances of relative balance and maturity. Constant appeal to infinities due to strong identification with a transcendent principle are used as an unconscious mechanism to deflect balancing responsibility from undeveloped, fragile ego. But the idea of "contact" in the first place was to simply force acknowledgement that one has a spiritual nature (yay) rather than to distract.

Now that I read this again with calm thinking, it sounds like you are explaining what you are doing right now rather well.

[Unbound]

That just suddenly made me think of the adept cycle Ra mentioned, I wonder if we oscillate between being human and infinite beings in our self awareness or personality. I definitely go through "phases" of increased 'higher contact' and then have phases in between with little and things are more grounded and earthly.

[spero]

Is it because some lack the faith to accept/believe that some truly are on a magical path causing cynism? Could it be the way that this info is being presented and projected is causing catalyst for those that still need to work on acceptance? Or could it be an underlying feeling of envy that others seem to be "more advanced" therefore "better" which point to a personal catalyst of self acceptance/self esteem or lack thereof?

This quote helped me to realize something today. Im not a confident guy by nature and would say when it comes to forum posting i have a bit of social anxiety. Sometimes i'll agonize over a post so i get it right or dont come off too agressive or too offensive and most often will just delete it to be on the safe. By comparison adonai will lead the entire forum through his personal journey, posting thread after thread of discoveries and insight (opening himself to criticism and praise) and building relationships with member outside the context of forum posts. Its almost funny that of all things that adonai claims to be capable of or have hidden knowledge regarding, i envy his somewhat ordinary ability to social network lol. Maybe this envy seeps through a little in my posts . Rather than interacting on a personal level i might quote Ra a little too often (to add that impersonal buffer) and quash opinions (adonai's included) through the blunt force of my ability to search http://www.lawofone.info lol. It's a learning curve and i've tried to express more of my own opinion more frequently these day. i acknowledge that i still post a lot more than people with serious social anxiety so sorry for all you out there who immediately gave me a face when i wrote that. thanks jeremy for helping me with today's catalyst lol.

[BrownEye]

I think the issue was more like this forum is based on a particular understanding of the material offered, and that material was being actively challenged. Even though we may not fully undrestand the material, it is not hard to see people get offended when that material is called into question.

This deflective energy would then carryover to any other post as well.

[reeay]

I think adonai's situation is unique; his experiences and life story are unique... and opinions about him may not necessarily apply fully to all people who channel or have transcendental experiences. He offers a mirror that we may choose to accept or not...

I don't know if you've experienced this ... this pull to help him, teach him, correct him, challenge him etc.,. He went with things that excited him anyway, and that's his choice to exercise his autonomy and self-authority. I think he may have experienced this as indication that he is not wise, incapable of making his own choices, didn't feel respected/ac, etc.,. The more we said, Ra said ----, the more he seemed to have pursued his own path.

Once again, his situation was unique to him. I hope it doesn't get generalized as lack of acceptance for pursuing own path for forum members. Projecting self onto his experience could possibly be painful. I do believe he offers that mirror and I am thankful for him.

[BrownEye]

I feel he was offered a lot of advice that he did not take seriously. I also feel he has immense potential if he would take the potential seriously instead of the idea of taking 'power' seriously.

[Hototo]

Funny, because I feel he offered a lot of advice that was not taken seriously. And also, that he has immense potential since he is taking things so seriously and would notice a reduction in potential and an increase in actuality if he stopped taking things so seriously.

[reeay]

Well, I dunno, I think we offered advice and he didn't choose to take it. That's all I know.

Overall feel of the dynamics sometimes felt like cartman's you will respect mah authoritah.

[BrownEye]

He seemed to take power seriously, which can quickly distort perception.

[Lycen]

In my eyes, one walks their path as they choose, we may advice and I would hope we do. But what one does with advice is for them to decide .)

All is well

[Ankh]

Adonai, toss your pride away now, which made you to stop posting for whatever reason, and come back! Cause we miss you! :p

[Plenum]

is he gone??

I remember Shin'Ar said he was going once, and made a big thread about it, and we all said goodbye, and gave him hugs and a picnic basket for the road ... and then he came back 2 days LATER!!!!!!!!!!

lol.

anyway, thanks for all the fun Mr Adonai, and the times you dropped into chat and the couple of times we had 'private chats' and got to share things truthfully.

you've told me your future plans, and all the more joy to you. It's an awesome change you are planning, and I am all so excited for you brother.

peace and take care.

- -

it is well to ponder the nature of complete love and acceptance. Complete acceptance (of which my younger brother was embued with) is acknowledging someone's being without any desire at all to change them, no matter their situation, and just offering them your love and support as they work through their experiences as they choose fit. It is the absence of judgement on their particular, unique choices.

It is acknowledging someone's Free Will to wander where they please, but letting them know that you are there if they ever need to talk or seek advice. It is accepting someone exactly as they are, and offering that Acceptance as a loving being.

to use a pop term - it's like - "I'm OK, you're OK'. If you wanna change, that's cool, if you don't wanna change, that's cool too.

complete acceptance.

brother.

plenum

[caycegal]

Dear Everybody,

I don't claim to understand most of the subtle undercurrents of feelings going on here, expressed in this thread. Some people seem to be expressing their discomfort with aspects of their relationships with the community. I understand that. It's part of my dharma to resolve this question: how can I relate to others and maintain my own peace of mind and joy? There is so much negativity and turmoil and chaos floating around in the environment. How can I tell what's coming from me and what's coming from others? How can I keep myself connected and close to others and yet stay tuned in to the Christ channel, rather than the millions of radio stations being broadcast by those around me.

Regarding being part of Ra: So what? I'm part of God. The only thing is, I "know" I'm part of God with my mind. How can I get to the point where I feel it all the time? [Don't answer that question, please, it's rhetorical.]

I am assuming that anyone expressing any kind of dissatisfaction or unhappiness with those around him/her is in the same place as me - still on the learning path. I am at the point of realizing this and recognizing it when I start to judge others. Awareness, they say, is the first step to learning something new.

[Brittany]

This is one of the first threads on this forum I've seen in a while that I feel showcases active blue-ray usage. Though not everyone agrees on various topics, the maturity and willingness to discuss differing opinions in honesty and the attempt to understand one another is pretty amazing. This little thread, I personally feel, is a big leap forward, and it's all thanks to Adonai. Look at what he has shown us of ourselves. Look at the tremendous service he has offered just by being himself. Maybe the universe delivered him here because his over-the-top style was just the kick in the pants we needed.

I was one of those people who felt the need to impress my own wisdom upon him to "save him from himself". His utter rejection of my attempts to play savior made me realize just how silly I was making myself look, dispensing wisdom I hadn't been asked for. Through his bold statements, I think he has provided many of us with a very clear mirror of our own arrogance and the way we project our personal authority. Those who get under our skin the most are truly our greatest teachers. I have learned so much about myself just from interacting with Adonai for a very short time, and I am extremely thankful to have had the opportunity, regardless of whether or not I actually agree with anything he is saying.

So thanks, Immanuel, and I apologize for treating you like you were stupid. We're all bozos on this bus.

*edited for typo

[xise]

The judgement/acceptance/approval/disapproval thing is a difficult thing when it comes to balance.

A certain level of discernment (which some might call judgment, but I would say on a type of discernment can become judgement) is very important on your journey in balancing. However, associating severe undesirability with unbalanced or distorted states is harmful to balance in and of itself - I'm moving to a place where I see unbalanced states as oh dirty dishes to clean up - something to be done, but something outside of approval or disapproval (approval/disapproval is a plenum said and interesting concept, and I think an unnecessary one). The practice of identifying perceived imbalances within the self or other is a useful discernment ability.

However, the moment we decide that another possesses a perceived imbalance and that we should correct or help correct it is when the discernment can run afoul of judgment and reflect a lack of acceptance for the free will of the other self.

It's a delicate balance for me. I find it immensely useful to use my discernment to identify imbalances within myself or others. But with myself, I can move about to change these things in a nonjudgemental fashion. With others, there is something about communicating unsolicited advice (which I have definitely been guilty of) that turns that discernment to judgement and becomes a less useful thing that increases our lack of acceptance for the free will of the other being. When I say unsolicited advice, I mean advice that is unsolicited in the core of the other being - you can ask for advice and not want advice, or you can not ask and still desire advice deeply. Before, I guess I would practice discernment, then try to always "help" the other self with my realizations until there was discussion or resistance, and then move to acceptance of the outcome and the other self's decision. I think it is more useful to I wish to practice more of discernment, and then acceptance of the other self in it's current beingess , and only giving thoughts or advice when truly desired. It's so hard to navigate those waters. But I'm learning. Manny definitely helped in that way, and for that I am eternally grateful. Thanks man!!

[Unbound]

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