When will the Quarantine of Earth be lifted ?

[reeay]

I like this video although the charts have more detailed explanations:

[hogey11]

99% of people aren't even experiencing the 7th subdensity. Too many learning opportunities would be crushed by contact. You can't introduce that level of transcendence without prior support of self-determined choices. So no, we are not collectively ready.

How can you know this, zen? Can you really give me an accurate reading of the here and now regarding the planetary vibrations? What if these souls are merely obscuring their presence from your reality or perspective?

[reeay]

I'm remembering the TV series, "V" from the 90s. That's how I see things unfolding if quarantine were broken. Plus, vibrational frequencies of higher density beings would probably scare people who are in the earlier sub-densities, even the 4th sub-density.

Maybe increased individual contact. Is there anything to suggest that more people are aware of contact (as supposed to unaware)?

[hogey11]

I think the key is the youth. As an 'under-30' myself, I know I have grown up around images of 'aliens' or 'ETs'. I can definitively say that my impression through my youth was that aliens were 'cool', not scary. Anything could be scary - man or alien alike. What I often saw was that aliens could help us. They could 'boost' us to higher capabilities more than anything else. They could help.

I think a lot of young people regard the idea of aliens, disclosure, and first contact in a very novel space. They are neither for it nor against it; they just want to see it if it exists. Since 1980, the world's population has doubled in size. This means half the population (at least) is under 30 years old. I think we often make these type of judgement calls based on the 'status quo', but I think that is set not by the younger generations but with the older. I think we're generally out of touch with the younger generations on a mass level.

Remember, kids are now growing up in a unified world through globalization and the internet. If what is required by us before disclosure can happen is a critical mass of people who are willing to view the planet as one, I believe that is possible with the coming generations. When we finally perceive ourselves as one, we can start to perceive the 'other-selves' of civilizations. That's my take on it, and from my youth to today, the acceptance of the world as a whole and the awareness of the global population has accelerated leaps and bounds. Who's to say it will slow down or stop? Why can't it continue to increase?

I believe we are the biggest stopping block to disclosure. The more we ask 'how can this happen?' as opposed to 'why can't this happen?', the quicker we find the natural solutions to things. We have to intend for it to happen first; then we find our way.

[zenmaster]

99% of people aren't even experiencing the 7th subdensity. Too many learning opportunities would be crushed by contact. You can't introduce that level of transcendence without prior support of self-determined choices. So no, we are not collectively ready.

How can you know this, zen? Can you really give me an accurate reading of the here and now regarding the planetary vibrations? What if these souls are merely obscuring their presence from your reality or perspective?

yes I can give an accurate 'reading' to the extent of my explanation. The invisibility hypothesis is invoked merely because 'anything is possible if I like the idea' and so why it may be appealing, is eventually fanciful, impotent and conveniently forgotten.

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I believe we are the biggest stopping block to disclosure. The more we ask 'how can this happen?' as opposed to 'why can't this happen?', the quicker we find the natural solutions to things. We have to intend for it to happen first; then we find our way.

And sometimes the 'solution' is to not create unnecessary problems to solve. The intervention intention is pathological and an affront to our collective dignity. It would inevitably prolong our development and diminish our unique contributions. Those contributions are the whole point.

[hogey11]

What unnecessary problem am I creating?

I never said anything about intervention. I am talking of empowerment. We do the heavy lifting, but that doesn't mean we won't get some guidance as to how we might make these changes manifest.

My question to you, zen, is how do you see 4D being instilled on this planet eventually? Maybe I would better understand your ideas if I knew how you see it all playing out...

[zenmaster]

My question to you, zen, is how do you see 4D being instilled on this planet eventually?

As individuals continue to progress and request 4D lessons.

[unir 1]

What unnecessary problem am I creating?

I never said anything about intervention. I am talking of empowerment...

I think he's talking about those who are in farther of the octave, or at least farther than us in 3rd Density progression, and for us intending to have them intervene.
"It would inevitably prolong our development and diminish our unique contributions" - zenmaster

As far as I know, the opportunities are there due to the mentality of the individual and they are always pertaining to the choices one has made consciously. I agree that calling for contact may not have been a choice (supposing we are visited after a global calling is achieved) by the individual, but how far out of historical "changes" is it? We've had revolutions that some people did not want or support, yet others did and enough so to change the culture. Would you consider that example as having prolonged our development, or am I misunderstanding this?

About the spiral dynamics, can anyone tell me how they set it up to begin at the 100,000 years-ago date? That would be the beginning of third density on Earth, wouldn't it?

[zenmaster]

What unnecessary problem am I creating?

I never said anything about intervention. I am talking of empowerment...

Asking for "disclosure" is the same as asking for intervention. The "empowerment" idea makes no sense.

I think he's talking about those who are in farther of the octave, or at least farther than us in 3rd Density progression, and for us intending to have them intervene.
"It would inevitably prolong our development and diminish our unique contributions" - zenmaster

I'm talking about 4D intervention.

As far as I know, the opportunities are there due to the mentality of the individual and they are always pertaining to the choices one has made consciously. I agree that calling for contact may not have been a choice (supposing we are visited after a global calling is achieved) by the individual, but how far out of historical "changes" is it?

Can you clarify this?

We've had revolutions that some people did not want or support, yet others did and enough so to change the culture. Would you consider that example as having prolonged our development, or am I misunderstanding this?

Prolong development by making choices for others and denying essential learning opportunities. Revolutions can be a good catalyst for experience and could also deny conditions for learning appropriate for balancing current distortions.

About the spiral dynamics, can anyone tell me how they set it up to begin at the 100,000 years-ago date? That would be the beginning of third density on Earth, wouldn't it?

I think very simply by referring to the historical records of evidence for the first modernish humans (Homo sapiens) - whenever that was.

[unir 1]

As far as I know, the opportunities are there due to the mentality of the individual and they are always pertaining to the choices one has made consciously. I agree that calling for contact may not have been a choice (supposing we are visited after a global calling is achieved) by the individual, but how far out of historical "changes" is it?

Can you clarify this?

I am saying that the essential learning opportunities will always be present no matter the circumstance.
To know what circumstance is essential to one's/another's, learning is to see only what one is able to see through one's own distortions.
To see and observe that you are affected by the unprecedented circumstance, you would still have to have the distortion (considering that it influences the perception). Then, there is still the opportunity to refine the distortion, because it is still present enough to influence your acts (including observation), which is what is truly essential for learning.
Basically, the opportunities are never denied. Free-will supplies opportunities, and free-will is always present in the conscious [3rd Density] entity.


You may be considering that some opportunities are distinctly essential because they pertain to learning about the nature of the entity (red-ray self, orange-ray self, etc) but I am saying that no learning opportunity is more essential than any other, so as to be lost/denied after something like 4D contact occurs.
A learning opp. may be forgotten temporarily if an entity is distracted while looking at 4D marvels, but it would still be the responsibility of the individual entity to work on learning their "essentials". Say for example, we are all genetically manipulated some day and we disregard certain parts of our whole nature. We are either not conscious at that point, or distracted in some way. But we could never be subjected to (and survive) 4D lessons instantaneously, if we aren't ready (and the opportunities present themselves naturally & correctly at the appropriate nexus). 4th Density life is obtained by the gradual comprehension/addition of the respective 4D polarity's vibration (positive/negative). Our bodies would not be able to sustain something as an abrupt transcendence, and without the body we are dead and soon to be reincarnated in a viable body for appropriate lessons.

Did I clarify well enough, or did I miss the point?

[zenmaster]

You may be considering that some opportunities are distinctly essential because they pertain to learning about the nature of the entity (red-ray self, orange-ray self, etc) but I am saying that no learning opportunity is more essential than any other, so as to be lost/denied after something like 4D contact occurs.

Disagree entirely due to short lifespans, fragile egos, and tremendous lack of responsibility and progress stifling demonstrated so far by the people. Through them, as the epitomization of a transcendent principle, we would seek all that we have denied ourselves.

A learning opp. may be forgotten temporarily if an entity is distracted while looking at 4D marvels, but it would still be the responsibility of the individual entity to work on learning their "essentials".

It is precisely because of the individual's responsibility that there would be a delay. And the 4D-marvel distraction is not the primary reason and actually rather insignificant compared to presence and embodiment of 4D vibrations. Thrown into intense confusion, the delay would approach karmic levels for the 4D entities and progress would indeed suffer greatly. So if there was "contact", it would be a sign that things are not going well at all for the people and a last resort was needed. Further, due to "free will" there must be allowed contact from the opposing viewpoint of same vibrational quality - also undesirable.

Did I clarify well enough, or did I miss the point?

Understood in light of that, thanks.

[unir 1]

You may be considering that some opportunities are distinctly essential because they pertain to learning about the nature of the entity (red-ray self, orange-ray self, etc) but I am saying that no learning opportunity is more essential than any other, so as to be lost/denied after something like 4D contact occurs.

Disagree entirely due to short lifespans, fragile egos, and tremendous lack of responsibility and progress stifling demonstrated so far by the people. Through them, as the epitomization of a transcendent principle, we would seek all that we have denied ourselves.

So those things all incite a desire for transcendence, is that what you're saying?
Basically, when seeking to transcend, one would ultimately face those obstacles placed upon oneself, yet they would try uselessly to dodge them...like a cycle right? If I'm correct, I think I get what you mean when you're saying that such would be undesirable/prolonging development.
What is there to do about this?
I'm assuming from the next part of your post, that the intervention is not a good thing from any entity at all, or is there an exception?
I would suggest a careful penetration into the distortions of the individuals, each 1, and dissolution of said distortions...what do you think would become of that?

A learning opp. may be forgotten temporarily if an entity is distracted while looking at 4D marvels, but it would still be the responsibility of the individual entity to work on learning their "essentials".

It is precisely because of the individual's responsibility that there would be a delay. And the 4D-marvel distraction is not the primary reason and actually rather insignificant compared to presence and embodiment of 4D vibrations. Thrown into intense confusion, the delay would approach karmic levels for the 4D entities and progress would indeed suffer greatly. So if there was "contact", it would be a sign that things are not going well at all for the people and a last resort was needed. Further, due to "free will" there must be allowed contact from the opposing viewpoint of same vibrational quality - also undesirable.

Seems to me that if there was a contact...it would be as I said, not a very good idea. I'll ask this in a relevant way: if people started utilizing their opportunities, there would be (according to you) no need for contact or even a desire to transcend? I think it's obvious, but I still might be misunderstanding.

For the bold part: Are you willing to describe the process/mechanics of this karma-like concept?

[reeay]

I think the key is the youth. As an 'under-30' myself, I know I have grown up around images of 'aliens' or 'ETs'. I can definitively say that my impression through my youth was that aliens were 'cool', not scary. Anything could be scary - man or alien alike. What I often saw was that aliens could help us. They could 'boost' us to higher capabilities more than anything else. They could help.

And what of their parents' and society's readiness? Children live in the context of their family and society, and not independent of it.

I believe we are the biggest stopping block to disclosure. The more we ask 'how can this happen?' as opposed to 'why can't this happen?', the quicker we find the natural solutions to things. We have to intend for it to happen first; then we find our way.

Why do you want to be boosted and helped by external source?

[Cyan]

I'm still undecided on if such a Quarantine existed in the first place, on account of all the supernatural things i've witnessed my entire life.

[Siren]

Remember that the reason why the quarantine was instituted in the first place was not because of negatively-oriented 4th-density entities "violation," but rather because the Yahweh experiment (who are a member of the Confederation) went terribly awry.

The following are excerpts from Quo transcripts:

You may ask why the planet is quarantined. It is quarantined because it has been put, shall we say, in an unbalanced state by those from the Confederation who have, in your far past, erred in decision making. To avoid this occurring again, the planet was quarantined some of your years ago. Why do we wait for the calling and not speak to any who would listen? As a curiosity we could speak to many. However, we have found, by careful experiment, that attempts to speak to those who are not specifically calling for information which we are able to offer will be misused, misunderstood and ineffectual regarding the goals which we have, which is to offer information to those of your peoples who request it, and who will use it.

We have found that it is foolish of us to attempt to serve others before they request it. We heard you speaking of the individual that is voiced, “Yod-he-vau-heh,” or “Yahweh,” or “Jehovah.” This entity, which was a group entity and a guardian of this planet, a member of the Confederation, was extremely helpful in finalizing our code of ethics as regards this planet, for the plan to create improved, healthy human physical vehicles for souls turned from a plan which was focused upon entities being more able to move more quickly in spiritual growth and in service to others into a disaster where those who were somewhat superior mentally or physically simply became bellicose and worldly, moving away further and further from service to others.

To our dismay, we made several mistakes in attempting to move into right relationships with incarnate beings in third density by manifesting ourselves among them. The results were egregious and unacceptable to us. We were worshiped. We were over-esteemed. We were thought to be invincible and all-knowing.

Let us be realistic now. This planetary sphere is not exactly what we would call a "normal" 3rd density planet. The 3rd density experience upon this planet is largely made up of a hodge-podge of 3rd-grade repeaters deriving from various different planetary influences from around this region/sector of the galaxy (a great many from Mars alone). It's almost as if 3D Earth was a "special school" for spiritually impaired children who haven't yet learned to take responsibility for their own life's choices. One would think that after 75,000 years of catalyst at least half of the population would have learned to make The Choice by now, but this is not the case.

In short: humanity at large (and veil aside) is extremely immature, ignorant and childish. And the "Illuminati" are not the culprits here.

What prevents and retards 4th-density graduation is the constant avoidance of self-responsibility by 3rd-density entities. I call this the "perpetual child syndrome." That is, humanity continues to look up to "Big Daddy" to tell them what to do rather than turning inwards for their own spiritual self-development. Like immature children, they fear their own shadows (but have you noticed how so many zombies are coming out of the grave as of late in films, books and media?). Only fearful little children who don't want to grow up continue to uphold figures of paternal authority. This is literally a "perpetual child syndrome" on a collective scale.

This is why humanity at large continues to surrender their free-will/power (over and over again over uncountable thousands of years) to external idols, heroes and figures of authority ("deified" human-beings put on pedestals) to tell them what to do, what to think, what rules to follow, what is good and what is bad, etc; because (whether they consciously recognize it or not) they do not believe they are in the position to make their own choices themselves. Others even expect their spiritual deliverance to be handed down to them from outer-space brothers, god superstars and extraterrestrial messiahs. Do forgive my bluntness, but this is not only incredibly childish, but also borderline delusional.

Higher-density positively-oriented entities will N.O.T. make overt contact until humanity has reached a sufficient degree of spiritual maturity and self-responsibility. If there is any type of global contact or disclosure any time soon, it will be from our negative self-serving friends, be assured. And I intuit a great many positively-oriented 3rd-density seekers will be lead astray by such grandiose overture too.

The way I see it, Earth has become a perpetual kindergarten (with guns, bombs, rockets and other self-destructive toys for enhanced amusement and added gratuitous violence!)... a perpetual kindergarten for those who prefer to have "fun" and divert their minds getting drunk every weekend, watching action/horror movies, and browsing 9gag and Facebook all day long instead of doing their spiritual homework. Ignorance is bliss they say? If perpetuated self-suffering is your definition of bliss, then yes. But if this is bliss, why do they constantly complain, whine, b*tch and cry about everything every single day of their lives then? If it's not the government it's the weather, if it's not the weather it's your job, if it's not your job it's your boyfriend!

If ignorance is bliss, why is the world so overwhelmingly sick (physically, psychologically, mental/emotionally)?

The truth is, my friends, that our 3rd-density siblings here care little about their own spiritual self-development. This does not mean we should not love them—on the very contrary! It is a somewhat sorrowful situation, but we cannot teach them nor force them to learn that which they do not desire to learn or to know (or that which they adamantly reject and deny, even). That's the bottom line. Responsibility lies in the making of that critical Choice—and we cannot choose for others but for ourselves. They have yet to make up their minds as to which direction they wish to point the compass to, so to speak.

As for those who are desperate to "escape" from this 3rd-density delusion/illusion, I can only say they will remain in 3rd-density. Such "escapism" shows only immaturity, avoidance of responsibility, as well as emotional instability.

All of you are here for a very definite reason and a very specific purpose known to yourself.

One of the reasons I am here is to balance wisdom with compassion: to stand before utter spiritual blindness, ignorance and decadence and yet accept it all in love and understanding as I watch the people rush helter-skelter every morning like droning automatons set on auto-pilot without the slightest idea of who they are or why they are here—not the slightest idea! But hey, we gotta get to work! Life is busy, busy, business, no time for play! It's a dog-eat-dog world out there and whoever makes the most money and hoards up the greatest pile of junk is the victor! What are you doing reading this? You're wasting valuable shopping time!!

The catalyst is not yet over for me, the contract not yet fulfilled, a few more learning opportunities still await me. But I can tell you this: I look at this world, at the faces of the people I cross and deal with every day, and I see the Creator, I see myself. It is simultaneous amazing, humbling, painful and even hilarious to see that they are me—and they are me. I have shed some tears many times over this realization. It is beautiful as it is indescribable.

I am eternally grateful (though I can probably never emphasize this enough with words) for this truly wonderful yet short-lived experience I have had the privilege of participating in here upon this planet. Can you see the beauty, majesty and intricacy of the design of this illusion? Without this "blindness," the Creator would not have this incredible experience. Without looking at my deeply hypnotized, sleep-walking, slumbering other-selves I wouldn't have this incredible experience to know myself this way.

All are ultimately experiences for the One Infinite Creator.

All are ways to know our-Self.

All is well.

Planet Earth (red, orange and yellow-ray activated), as it is, is a wonderful place. The more you learn to appreciate it for what it is and the opportunities/catalysts for experience provided by present 3rd-density conditions (yes, including famine, war and pandemic), the much more beautiful 4th-density will become. I can only stand in awe at the majesty of the One Infinite Creator as I interact with the illusory matrix of experience that is this particular yellow-ray vibratory spectrum!

Every morning I awake here in my current physical vehicle to do my space/time work with greater and greater appreciation, bliss and awe towards the magnificence of the Creation of the One Infinite.

[Tenet Nosce]

The following are excerpts from Quo transcripts:

Can you provide links and/or dates of these transcripts? I don't believe I have seen these before.

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Also... not sure if this got missed. I would be interested to hear some opinions:

If there is any truth to these stories of underground populations (Agartha, Shambhalla, etc.) that were sundered from the surface population during a cataclysm, a reunion would provide for a sort of "contact" without breaking quarantine.

[Siren]

The following are excerpts from Quo transcripts:

Can you provide links and/or dates of these transcripts? I don't believe I have seen these before.

• October 15, 1989
• October 29, 1989
• Fall 1990

If there is any truth to these stories of underground populations (Agartha, Shambhalla, etc.) that were sundered from the surface population during a cataclysm, a reunion would provide for a sort of "contact" without breaking quarantine.

I personally have no knowledge of such. The Earth is not "hollow" as it is/has been presumed, but this doesn't negate the probability of "underground cities" (after all, the military-industrial complex has secret undersea bases, have they not?). I haven't been very interested in Agartha, Shambhalla, etc, to be honest; but I wouldn't be surprised if some small, seclusive "lost tribes" have been dwelling underneath the crust of the planet rather than upon its surface. I have often wondered that these stories of underground populations may be merely analogies for the inner metaphysical realms of 3rd-density, or time/space.

However, the reunion/contact which you speak of would be between same-density entities (3D) rather than between 3rd-density entities and 4th or 5th-density beings.

[Tenet Nosce]

I personally have no knowledge of such. The Earth is not "hollow" as it is/has been presumed, but this doesn't negate the probability of "underground cities" (after all, the military-industrial complex has secret undersea bases, have they not?).

Yes, the "Hollow Earth Theory" itself seems extremely tenuous at best, but as you point out this doesn't negate the notion of underground populations entirely. The obvious question is what about the sunlight... but who knows maybe there is some elaborate mirror system ala the dwarves of Middle Earth. Certain mushrooms can also provide vitamin D.

For those who are interested, the "Project Redbook" site has a lot of data on the subject. In particular, I found "The Emergence Cycle" article to be fascinating.

http://www.angelfire.com/ut/branton/redbook2.html
http://www.angelfire.com/ut/branton/EmergenceCycle.html

I haven't been very interested in Agartha, Shambhalla, etc, to be honest; but I wouldn't be surprised if some small, seclusive "lost tribes" have been dwelling underneath the crust of the planet rather than upon its surface.

Yes, but remember that these "lost tribes" could very well be offshoots of Atlantean culture having retained certain technologies and understandings that have since become lost to the surface population.

I have often wondered that these stories of underground populations may be merely analogies for the inner metaphysical realms of 3rd-density, or time/space.

Yes, I wonder about that myself.

However, the reunion/contact which you speak of would be between same-density entities (3D) rather than between 3rd-density entities and 4th or 5th-density beings.

Exactly. Which is why it wouldn't break quarantine.

I am here here to balance wisdom with compassion: to stand before spiritual blindness, ignorance and decadence and yet accept it all in love and understanding as I watch the people rush helter-skelter every morning like automatons set on auto-pilot without the slightest idea of who they are or why they are here.

The catalyst is not yet over for me, the contract not yet fulfilled, more opportunities for learning still await me. But I can tell you this: I look at this world, at the faces of the people I cross and deal with every day, and I see the Creator, I see myself.

It sounds like our purposes are similar.

I am now in my mid-30s and until fairly recently, much of my desire to "escape" 3D, or have higher density values imposed on the population from without was connected to the feeling that others were attempting to foist their "helter-skelter, automaton" life upon me. Certainly, it has been a great lesson in self-acceptance to have the faith in myself to construct a workable environment whereby I can exist in Western society without perpetual enslavement to an employer. Or for that matter, to employees.

The development of the Internet has of course made much of this possible, and I would consider its existence to be evidence of the beginnings of 5SD becoming dominant.

It's been sort of a catch-22 up until fairly recently. I have found that in order to express my desire for "service-to-others" (for lack of a better term) through a job or vocation, requires me to submit myself to a level of enslavement that I found very difficult to accept.

[unir 1]

Higher-density positively-oriented entities will N.O.T. make overt contact until humanity has reached a sufficient degree of spiritual maturity and self-responsibility...

I believe we are the biggest stopping block to disclosure. The more we ask 'how can this happen?' as opposed to 'why can't this happen?', the quicker we find the natural solutions to things. We have to intend for it to happen first; then we find our way.

Why do you want to be boosted and helped by external source?

If we reach spiritual maturity, the only reason I see that there would be a contact is to meld our social memory complexes together, or something like that, for both races to further their refinement of self. As of now that possibility seems distant, because our entire race is not in harmony. To achieve planetary harmony, I reckon we start with our own self first.

If there is any truth to these stories of underground populations (Agartha, Shambhalla, etc.) that were sundered from the surface population during a cataclysm, a reunion would provide for a sort of "contact" without breaking quarantine.

I think for their sort of contact to occur, which has had as much an opportunity to occur in any point at the past (unless they really have been unable to emerge from the sub-terrain), they would have to be careful with what they plan to do.
Consider...that if they are planning to reveal something that would "shift our paradigm", there are those in power who would not allow this to happen- not a conspiracy theory, I mean there are literally people who would prefer to live the way the system currently works, where one suffers while another benefits out of that suffering, rather than living in something like world peace.
Hypothetically, they might be waiting for us to prevent the conflict ourselves through our own development; through spiritual development, we might see the falling-off of the current system. [Or, they may not be waiting, and may not even exist.]
I didn't and don't want to make any suggestions to anybody who is desperately waiting for a "grand-shift". I can only wish somebody doesn't go infiltrating "bad-guy" schemes just so they can hurry up this very hypothetical situation.

[Tenet Nosce]

I think for their sort of contact to occur, which has had as much an opportunity to occur in any point at the past (unless they really have been unable to emerge from the sub-terrain), they would have to be careful with what they plan to do.

So the story goes- there have been multiple contacts in the past. The last main one occurring ca. 1885.

Consider...that if they are planning to reveal something that would "shift our paradigm", there are those in power who would not allow this to happen- not a conspiracy theory, I mean there are literally people who would prefer to live the way the system currently works, where one suffers while another benefits out of that suffering, rather than living in something like world peace.

No doubt, open acknowledgement of their existence would constitute a massive paradigm shift in and of itself. But is it something (both literally and metaphorically) that emerges from within. The free will considerations are totally different. If these people exist (in whatever form) then they actually a part of our collective -3D- mind.

Hypothetically, they might be waiting for us to prevent the conflict ourselves through our own development; through spiritual development, we might see the falling-off of the current system. [Or, they may not be waiting, and may not even exist.]

Yes- there could be many reasons why they would have decided to have very limited contact over the long years, even if they could have contacted us. Or- we (meaning our governments) could have originally come into contact with them via various tunneling projects.

Lots of things to speculate about.

[reeay]

Higher-density positively-oriented entities will N.O.T. make overt contact until humanity has reached a sufficient degree of spiritual maturity and self-responsibility...

I believe we are the biggest stopping block to disclosure. The more we ask 'how can this happen?' as opposed to 'why can't this happen?', the quicker we find the natural solutions to things. We have to intend for it to happen first; then we find our way.

Why do you want to be boosted and helped by external source?

If we reach spiritual maturity, the only reason I see that there would be a contact is to meld our social memory complexes together, or something like that, for both races to further their refinement of self. As of now that possibility seems distant, because our entire race is not in harmony. To achieve planetary harmony, I reckon we start with our own self first.

Yes, and right now...
We are already 'in contact' with ample sources of benevolent beings - Ra (and other beings who channel), our higher self, our guides, angels, our gifts, ancestors, the sun and other planets, our parents and elders, our philosophers and spiritual teachers... and the amazing people on this forum.

We have our own self!

Abundance!

[zenmaster]

You may be considering that some opportunities are distinctly essential because they pertain to learning about the nature of the entity (red-ray self, orange-ray self, etc) but I am saying that no learning opportunity is more essential than any other, so as to be lost/denied after something like 4D contact occurs.

Disagree entirely due to short lifespans, fragile egos, and tremendous lack of responsibility and progress stifling demonstrated so far by the people. Through them, as the epitomization of a transcendent principle, we would seek all that we have denied ourselves.

So those things all incite a desire for transcendence, is that what you're saying?

Not really. The desire to be whole is "built-in" as an unconscious attitude. The next level subsumes this level and so basically all of the qualities being learned are embodied by the 4D entity. This becomes problematic for learning the lessons of yellow-ray.

Basically, when seeking to transcend, one would ultimately face those obstacles placed upon oneself, yet they would try uselessly to dodge them...like a cycle right? If I'm correct, I think I get what you mean when you're saying that such would be undesirable/prolonging development.
What is there to do about this?

Be aware that people are generally not consciously seeking to transcend - they are seeking a level of discomfort they are willing to tolerate. But you don't need to do anything about it. 4D completely understands the situation.

I'm assuming from the next part of your post, that the intervention is not a good thing from any entity at all, or is there an exception?

There are always exceptions. I'm talking about "nuts and bolts" societal interaction a la "walking among the people".

I would suggest a careful penetration into the distortions of the individuals, each 1, and dissolution of said distortions...what do you think would become of that?

Prolonging the development of the individual by denying an opportunity for free-will choices. Working on your own "distortions" are the whole point of living.

Seems to me that if there was a contact...it would be as I said, not a very good idea. I'll ask this in a relevant way: if people started utilizing their opportunities, there would be (according to you) no need for contact or even a desire to transcend? I think it's obvious, but I still might be misunderstanding.

If people started taking responsibility, development would be faster and we'd have more answers for ourselves.

For the bold part: Are you willing to describe the process/mechanics of this karma-like concept?

It's in the material, I will locate the quotes.

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I'm still undecided on if such a Quarantine existed in the first place, on account of all the supernatural things i've witnessed my entire life.

The quarantine has nothing to do with supernatural things.

[Bring4th_Austin]

If people started taking responsibility, development would be faster and we'd have more answers for ourselves.

Taking responsibility in what ways? Any suggestions for people reading this on how they might learn how to take more responsibility?

[Cyan]

I'm still undecided on if such a Quarantine existed in the first place, on account of all the supernatural things i've witnessed my entire life.

The quarantine has nothing to do with supernatural things.

Disagree strongly but depends on definition of supernatural.

[zenmaster]

If people started taking responsibility, development would be faster and we'd have more answers for ourselves.

Taking responsibility in what ways? Any suggestions for people reading this on how they might learn how to take more responsibility?

Ra's exercise in 5.2 which describes the "healing" process is concise and spot on, as far as I've been able to determine.

[Oceania]

I'm still undecided on if such a Quarantine existed in the first place, on account of all the supernatural things i've witnessed my entire life.

The quarantine has nothing to do with supernatural things.

Disagree strongly but depends on definition of supernatural.

funny how you disagree strongly with something whose definition lacks definition

[Spaced]

I think the source of most "supernatural experiences" is our own minds, so unless we were being quarantined from ourselves we are still going to see supernatural or unexplainable things.

[Siren]

And the "quarantine" does not equal the "veil."

The quarantine was instituted to ameliorate what has already been a major free-will infringement at a collective scale on this planet's 3rd-density denizens by higher-density entities, and to minimize any further overt "uncalled for" infringement/influencing/tampering (both by positive and negative "aliens").

The veil is simply the experiment which permitted the conscious/subconscious "division" in 3rd-density mind/body/spirit complexes.

Neither of these prevent nor cause the occurrence of "paranormal/supernatural/otherworldly" unexplained phenomena.

[Oceania]

of course ghosts and things are our own people so why should the quarantine protect us from them. the quarantine is to prevent aliens from coming here in ships and taking over. also time/space entities seem to still be allowed to affect earth, unless they're all earth beings as well.

[unir 1]

So those things all incite a desire for transcendence, is that what you're saying?

Not really. The desire to be whole is "built-in" as an unconscious attitude. The next level subsumes this level and so basically all of the qualities being learned are embodied by the 4D entity. This becomes problematic for learning the lessons of yellow-ray.

Why or where does it become problematic, and in what way?

Be aware that people are generally not consciously seeking to transcend - they are seeking a level of discomfort they are willing to tolerate. But you don't need to do anything about it. 4D completely understands the situation.

I didn't think you would answer my question concerning that matter.
How may you prove that people are seeking a level of discomfort they are willing to tolerate?
About the way you worded the last sentence of that quote...I'd have to disagree that the density itself would understand, unless the density itself has no distinction from the 4th density entity who is what truly understands.

I'm assuming from the next part of your post, that the intervention is not a good thing from any entity at all, or is there an exception?

There are always exceptions. I'm talking about "nuts and bolts" societal interaction a la "walking among the people".

In that case, would exceptions be those who are still in 3D?

I would suggest a careful penetration into the distortions of the individuals, each 1, and dissolution of said distortions...what do you think would become of that?

Prolonging the development of the individual by denying an opportunity for free-will choices. Working on your own "distortions" are the whole point of living.
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If people started taking responsibility, development would be faster and we'd have more answers for ourselves.

I'd have to agree on that. I thought that an open Q & A would be accelerating people's progress or helping them if they are stuck, mainly because the discussion is about taking responsibility. I'm still not certain if it would help those who are not requesting the information as person-to-person. I did pick up the sense that if one is refining their own distortions in the process then it would be very helpful.