drugs, psych meds... ascencion!!!

[Oceania]

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[AnthroHeart]

Well I stopped my psych meds about a week ago, and am taking Omega 3 and Vitamin B, and they seem to keep my mental states balanced nicely. Plus it doesn't shut down my 3rd eye like the psych meds do. I think for ascension, it's helpful to be able to have instreaming energy without cutting it off.

I feel emotionally balanced, and earlier today I had an experience of "no desires" for a few moments that was pretty interesting.

[Oceania]

that's awesome. i am considering cutting out alcohol for the same reason but we'll see

Salusa said that we should stop taking drugs to be able to ascend. vitamin B6 is something alcohol obliterates so that's also something i should take. along with B12. i think the answer lies in these vitamins and things and eatng really healthy.

[AnthroHeart]

I'm taking a natural Super B-Complex that has pretty much all the B vitamins.
It's Spring Valley brand, but I think any brand will do.

[Oceania]

cool. i'm gonna try a green smoothie with crushed B6 B12 and superfoods.

[Brittany]

Good for you, Gemini! Most pharmaceuticals are poison and will shut you right down.

I have always, for the most part, lead a sober existence, due to the extreme sensitivity of my body complex. Alcohol does not have a good effect on me- even just a few sips. I never felt especially compelled to try the mainstream drugs, either (marijuana, cocaine, etc.). As far as I can tell, I haven't missed anything. In fact, a lot of people take drugs to try to get to the states I entertain naturally.

[Tenet Nosce]

I have noticed that my desire for alcohol is falling off yet again. Then again I have rarely had more than three drinks in a day for over a year now. On the other hand, if after all of this, I somehow "didn't make it" because of the beer I am drinking right now, that would be pretty absurd, don't you think?

[zenmaster]

if after all of this, I somehow "didn't make it" because of the beer I am drinking right now, that would be pretty absurd, don't you think?

Harvest to higher densities is based on violet ray. Not what you're drinking.

[reeay]

why do all drugs, psych meds, etc. if you could enjoy all the similar effects in another state of consciousness without the harmful consequence of these things?

I'm taking a natural Super B-Complex that has pretty much all the B vitamins.
It's Spring Valley brand, but I think any brand will do.

Psych meds stay in your system for a while, depending upon what you had taking and how long. I would go to a natural path or other mode of healing to work with your body to make sure your body readjust from the long term effects of the meds. But of course you are most knowledge about your body so I'm sure you will go with your inner guidance.

[Tenet Nosce]

if after all of this, I somehow "didn't make it" because of the beer I am drinking right now, that would be pretty absurd, don't you think?

Harvest to higher densities is based on violet ray. Not what you're drinking.

After all this time and discussion, there still appears to be this persistent confusion that it has something to do with the state of the body, rather than the state of the soul.

[zenmaster]

And in some sense, it's not even the state of the soul - depending on how you define "soul".

If you depend on this particular lifetime to polarize sufficiently, then yes - it does completely depend on the body being viable enough to support the mind which makes space for the spirit to actualize. So it could depend on drinking - but probably not. We've had many, many lifetimes to build violet ray. If the current incarnation did not add to polarization due to some misfortune, poor choices for catalyst, etc it probably won't matter much - but this life and one's body could very well be absolutely essential for harvest.

[Tenet Nosce]

And in some sense, it's not even the state of the soul - depending on how you define "soul".

True. But that's a whole other can of worms. I recognize it is a somewhat circular definition, but I will define "soul" as that which evolves as a result of incarnation.

If you depend on this particular lifetime to polarize sufficiently, then yes - it does completely depend on the body being viable enough to support the mind which makes space for the spirit to actualize.

Yes, I suppose you are right. But it would seem a strange plan of successive incarnation for one to have made this life the one to make the body viable enough to support the mind. I suppose it's possible... but then... what was one doing with all those other lives?

So it could depend on drinking - but probably not. We've had many, many lifetimes to build violet ray. If the current incarnation did not add to polarization due to some misfortune, poor choices for catalyst, etc it probably won't matter much - but this life and one's body could very well be absolutely essential for harvest.

Sure. Maybe I didn't speak clearly enough. If one became a raging alcoholic in this life, and thus didn't take the opportunity to polarize to a sufficient degree, then yes, alcohol could very well be the reason.

However I read the context of the previous posts to be considering the notion that one must needs "give up alcohol" or other substances completely in order to make harvest. That's what I was responding to about it being absurd, i.e. given all the work that I have done up to this point (granted there might be some possibility that I am fooling myself as to how much it actually was) it would be pretty absurd for the kabosh to be put on my harvest simply because I have a few drinks now and again.

I suppose what I am trying to get at is- if indeed there is precious little time left to do one's spiritual work, then frittering it away trying to clean every last vestige of "toxins" from one's body meanwhile continuing to avoid the inner spiritual work would be a tragic error.

[zenmaster]

If you depend on this particular lifetime to polarize sufficiently, then yes - it does completely depend on the body being viable enough to support the mind which makes space for the spirit to actualize.

Yes, I suppose you are right. But it would seem a strange plan of successive incarnation for one to have made this life the one to make the body viable enough to support the mind. I suppose it's possible... but then... what was one doing with all those other lives?

Well you don't make your own choices until green ray is activated, and that can happen at any time.

[Meerie]

Well I stopped my psych meds about a week ago, and am taking Omega 3 and Vitamin B, and they seem to keep my mental states balanced nicely. Plus it doesn't shut down my 3rd eye like the psych meds do. I think for ascension, it's helpful to be able to have instreaming energy without cutting it off.

I feel emotionally balanced, and earlier today I had an experience of "no desires" for a few moments that was pretty interesting.

Godspeed on your endeavour, Gemini!
I always got the impression from what you wrote that your "mental illness" is no illness, but simply an extreme sensitivity and maybe over active nervous system.
So to my laywoman mind, vitamin B sounds like a good way - it is supposed to work on the nerves. I just googled and they say omega 3 for depression and bipolar.
Way to go, my friend! wishing you well.

[Oldern]

Whao, Zenmaster. Something happened to me, because suddenly, your short sentences are like a knife in a surgeon's hands, addressing the core of the issue almost perfectly - for me, at least. Thank you.

[Patrick]

IMHO, if your current incarnation was important for your harvest. Just the simple fact that you found your way here on this forum is very good evidence that you won the bet you made before incarnating.

[zenmaster]

IMHO, if your current incarnation was important for your harvest. Just the simple fact that you found your way here on this forum is very good evidence that you won the bet you made before incarnating.

However, the difficulty is overall balance. People may work very hard to avoid addressing aspects of themselves. Accepting these aspects would raise the 'core vibration' (so to speak). They may attempt to stay in a relatively 'safe' comfort zone (or discomfort zone) which enables this avoidance. This forum (and others) can easily be an enabler for many.

[Patrick]

Also, the whole point of 3d is to make The Choice. Everything else we do is just icing on the cake. There are a lot of opportunities for quick balancing, but that's optional and is not directly related to the 3d harvest. I would be very surprised if anyone who resonates with deep materials like the Law of One are not already harvestable. The finding of such materials being simply a gift for having already polarized enough on faith alone.

Like Ra said, we are already very far on our chosen path when we become aware that there was a choice to make, when we become aware of our chosen polarity.

[AnthroHeart]

Godspeed on your endeavour, Gemini!
I always got the impression from what you wrote that your "mental illness" is no illness, but simply an extreme sensitivity and maybe over active nervous system.
So to my laywoman mind, vitamin B sounds like a good way - it is supposed to work on the nerves. I just googled and they say omega 3 for depression and bipolar.
Way to go, my friend! wishing you well.

Thanks for this info Meerie about omega 3.
They're still working great. Yeah, I am unusually sensitive when I open up. I can't wait for a higher density, because I think then my sensitivity won't be overpowering. For some reason I chose this as catalyst for myself. Maybe it helps me to emphathise.

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IMHO, if your current incarnation was important for your harvest. Just the simple fact that you found your way here on this forum is very good evidence that you won the bet you made before incarnating.

Agreed. I know for me I was seeking pretty strongly when I found firstly the Ra Material. I actually thought the Ra Material was physical matter of some kind, and was interested in it.

[zenmaster]

Also, the whole point of 3d is to make The Choice. Everything else we do is just icing on the cake.

I'd have to disagree with a philosophy that sees sufficiency as the minimal effort. Sort of flies in the face of service. I realize we don't have an agreement, but what we do with any of our time here is integral.

[Patrick]

Also, the whole point of 3d is to make The Choice. Everything else we do is just icing on the cake.

I'd have to disagree with a philosophy that sees sufficiency as the minimal effort. Sort of flies in the face of service. I realize we don't have an agreement, but what we do with any of our time here is integral.

Actually, I agree with you. But my comment was regarding 3d harvestability per se.

[Spaced]

My girlfriend recently gave up taking all the pills she's been prescribed since she was a teen for her ADHD, depression, anxiety issues, etc. and even though it was a tough couple weeks when she was coming off them, she seems in excellent spirits now and she feels more like herself.

She made the decision to go off her meds after watching the documentary Generation Rx, which was a pretty interesting look at how we have a whole generation being raised on medication that have had no studies on long-term effects done with them.

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Now I need to give up marijuana I suppose :-/ This is something I've been struggling with for a while now. The stuff might not be physically addictive, but I can vouch for it's mental addictiveness.

[AnthroHeart]

Same with me since I came off my psych meds. I'm still in good spirits. But I'm taking natural suppliments to help, as I tend to be overly sensitive when I begin to open up psychically.

[Spaced]

On the topic of B vitamins, I found these energy drinks in the states called NeuroSonic that are FULL of B vitamins and all kinds of nice nutrients for your brain. Most energy drinks just make me feel wired and on edge but this one made my brain feel really good. Anyone else try these?

[turtledude23]

Marijuana and hallucinogens give me the most intense spiritual experiences but I only use them occasionally. I drink socially.

I'm on 2 antidepressants and an antipsychotic (as a mood stabilizer) and they seem to have done a little bit to help, but its hard to tell. Recently I've been considering getting off them if after 10 months I can't even tell if they've done anything or not - good or bad. At best they might have made my depressive episodes shorter, at worst they might've done nothing but make me thirstier and sleepier.

I don't know what ascension is but I'm fairly confident I'll be harvested into 4D positive, due partly to marijuana, it offered me experiences I wouldn't be able to achieve otherwise. I worry sometimes about not getting harvested but I've done my best and that's what matters.

Plus it doesn't shut down my 3rd eye like the psych meds do.

I read something about SSRI's inhibiting the pineal gland, I don't know if its true. I don't know if the drugs I'm on have effected my spiritual side in any way.