2007.03.25 The Female Orgasm

[Tenet Nosce]

I've got something for discussion. It's the sort of thing that, as a man, I find myself quite unqualified to answer. But it is something that I wonder about.

We all know the joke some (not all) women make about men coming to orgasm too quickly. As near as I can tell in my own experience, a sexually skilled woman can bring a man to orgasm in a very short time, and there isn't all that much he could to to stop it, even if he wanted.

Now what I wonder about is if for women who still fear intimacy with men, might they be subconsciously engaging in sexual behaviors which rapidly bring men to climax, so as to avoid feeling the fear of intimacy?

I ask because, in my experience, the women who I have observed most often complaining about their partner's sexual performance are the same ones who strike me as those types who would wield their sexual power over men in an attempt to control them.

Being a man, I wouldn't really know. But I figured this to be the best place I know of to find some female voices of wisdom.

[Monica]

I've got something for discussion. It's the sort of thing that, as a man, I find myself quite unqualified to answer. But it is something that I wonder about.

We all know the joke some (not all) women make about men coming to orgasm too quickly. As near as I can tell in my own experience, a sexually skilled woman can bring a man to orgasm in a very short time, and there isn't all that much he could to to stop it, even if he wanted.

Now what I wonder about is if for women who still fear intimacy with men, might they be subconsciously engaging in sexual behaviors which rapidly bring men to climax, so as to avoid feeling the fear of intimacy?

I ask because, in my experience, the women who I have observed most often complaining about their partner's sexual performance are the same ones who strike me as those types who would wield their sexual power over men in an attempt to control them.

Being a man, I wouldn't really know. But I figured this to be the best place I know of to find some female voices of wisdom.

Astute.

Taoism states that "women have the power." Might this be what they were referring to?

[Tenet Nosce]

Taoism states that "women have the power." Might this be what they were referring to?

Could be. I know my views are sometimes a bit unusual, but it has always seemed to me that the women are in charge, when it comes to sexual matters. As a potential mate, the man gets chosen, and not the other way around. Though there is this whole (in my opinion, ridiculous) charade that goes on whereby women let the men believe that it is the other way around.

I've been frustrated by this in the past because I refuse to play into that game, and there are many women who insist it be played. Especially at younger ages. So it resulted in much alone time and a fair amount of negativity over that. Though in the end, I am happy I held out like a stubborn old goat!

But getting back to this dynamic... it reminds me of the stories about how in the distant past, women were the ones who were naturally thought to be most fit to be rulers. Which I could agree with.

Although, as one of the stories goes, it was actually some of the women who first sought to abuse their power, and to take it away from their sisters whom they were avowed to share it with.

Thus were men first employed as protectors. Basically human shields to protect against these perceived attacks against one another. I am not sure if any of these plots ever came to fruition. But as the story goes, eventually some of the men got the "bright" idea to overthrow the women and take the power for themselves. (Wonder where they got that idea!)

So anyway, the men eventually overthrew the women, raped everybody, and set themselves up as the rulers. Then they went around and systematically destroyed any evidence that the women were ever in power in the first place. This included killing any women who dared to pass down the old traditions.

But that is just a story I heard... I don't even remember where it came from. Likely it is a syncretism of a bunch of other things I've come across.

Whether or not it is true, I think there is a lesson learned which is that the only way forward is together. What matters is that these dramas are still carried out today in many ways in our personal lives... this endless exchange of lies and false assumptions just needs to stop, in my opinion. Man-bashing is no better than woman-bashing. And these days it seems more socially acceptable for woman to act denigrating to men than the other way around. For example, I know a few women who, whenever they are quoting their mate will make a buffoonish-sounding voice as if anything which could possibly come out of their man's mouth is pure idiocy.

So some men are idiotic pigs. So what? If some women don't like that, they can choose not to encourage these men by having sex with them and giving birth to their babies. After all, they are the ones in power, right? If somebody is going to clean up our gene pool, it is going to be the women!

I mean... look at this Rush Limbaugh flap... I can't figure out why this guy gets any sort of attention, whatsoever! Definitely not a good specimen for breeding...

[Monica]

Could be. I know my views are sometimes a bit unusual, but it has always seemed to me that the women are in charge, when it comes to sexual matters. As a potential mate, the man gets chosen, and not the other way around. Though there is this whole (in my opinion, ridiculous) charade that goes on whereby women let the men believe that it is the other way around.

Oh you figured that out??? Oh no, the secret's out!

Kidding!!!

I've been frustrated by this in the past because I refuse to play into that game, and there are many women who insist it be played. Especially at younger ages. So it resulted in much alone time and a fair amount of negativity over that. Though in the end, I am happy I held out like a stubborn old goat!

Congratulations!

Yes, I think age and attractiveness have a lot to do with how the game is played. It works both ways, though. When I was in high school, I played that game that way. But the guys were also playing their own game: ask her out, see how much they can get away with, and then, don't know her the next day. When I started 'falling in love' the game totally changed.

Yeah, it can work both ways, no doubt about it. There are different games. Only when I got into a committed relationship did the 'games' start falling away. That, in my experience, is what blue ray is all about: no more games.

So anyway, the men eventually overthrew the women, raped everybody, and set themselves up as the rulers. Then they went around and systematically destroyed any evidence that the women were ever in power in the first place. This included killing any women who dared to pass down the old traditions.

What a lovely herstory!

I know a few women who, whenever they are quoting their mate will make a buffoonish-sounding voice as if anything which could possibly come out of their man's mouth is pure idiocy.

How horrible! And disrespectful to their mate!

So some men are idiotic pigs. So what? If some women don't like that, they can choose not to encourage these men by having sex with them and giving birth to their babies.

Good point! And 'some' women really are shrews. It works both ways, with lots of variation on both sides.

One of my sisters was abused by her husband. She finally left him but is so full of hate, and so stuck in her beliefs that 'all' men are that way, that she has poisoned her daughter, who is now in her 40s and never had a boyfriend. How sad.

After all, they are the ones in power, right? If somebody is going to clean up our gene pool, it is going to be the women!

Yikes! I don't dare agree with, or comment on, this! :-/

[Tenet Nosce]

One of my sisters was abused by her husband. She finally left him but is so full of hate, and so stuck in her beliefs that 'all' men are that way, that she has poisoned her daughter, who is now in her 40s and never had a boyfriend. How sad.

After all, they are the ones in power, right? If somebody is going to clean up our gene pool, it is going to be the women!

Yikes! I don't dare agree with, or comment on, this! :-/

Sorry. I mean this in the context that whatever genes are passed along are influenced by our state of consciousness at the time of conception. Which would be a thread in itself. The -debatable- thought behind this is that humans have been genetically bred toward belligerence. We all have these genes. The question is... to what degree are they activated in our bodies at the time of conception?

But restated, for the purposes of this thread, all I meant was: Ladies, please stop reproducing with little boys and allow them to become men before they become fathers.

... and vice-versa.

Yes, I think age and attractiveness have a lot to do with how the game is played. It works both ways, though. When I was in high school, I played that game that way. But the guys were also playing their own game: ask her out, see how much they can get away with, and then, don't know her the next day. When I started 'falling in love' the game totally changed.

Yeah, that definitely happens! For me, I felt embarrassed when girls were attracted toward me, and so was generally too shy to act on it. So basically, girls would end up thinking I wasn't interested because I never "tried" anything with them. Now I understand that is really about me, and not them, but back then I didn't.

Also, that kind of attention still makes me uncomfortable. I'm still not sure exactly why. I think that having a physical body makes me somewhat uncomfortable, and so I am uncomfortable when others express attraction toward it.

[Shemaya]

...might they be subconsciously engaging in sexual behaviors ...

I ask because, in my experience, the women who I have observed most often complaining about their partner's sexual performance are the same ones who strike me as those types who would wield their sexual power over men in an attempt to control them.

Being a man, I wouldn't really know. But I figured this to be the best place I know of to find some female voices of wisdom.

I think many behaviors, not just sexual, are engaged in with alot of "subconscious" motivations, it's just the way it is in 3D, don't you think?

Also, I think that using sexual power to control or manipulate is a lower chakra energy exchange. So it is playing games like you and Monica were discussing. So when that is the basis of the exchange, you (not you personally) are not really raising the energy to the more subtle and "higher" , love-based connection, not to say that both energies couldn't be at occurring at the same time...but if the energy is getting used up in the lower chakras in power games, there is not as much flow into the higher chakras.

The abridged history you posted sounds like lower chakra issues at play also, who has power, and having power over others. Power plays. And that has had its moment in history, but now it's time for for green ray sexuality to be more the norm, I think. And that would not include using sex as a means to control and manipulate. It's definitely time for women to be appreciating and respecting their significant others rather than bashing, but we have to get out of our victim consciousness first, and be empowered and take responsibility.

[Oceania]

Also, that kind of attention still makes me uncomfortable. I'm still not sure exactly why. I think that having a physical body makes me somewhat uncomfortable, and so I am uncomfortable when others express attraction toward it.

that's how i feel! omg. you put it to words totally.

[Lulu]

just sharing with you here that a multi-orgasm topic came up on another thread if you wish to view, I also shared some info on female orgasms.
It's under the wanderer stories Greetings from the Dark around post 200 and on.

[Wander-Man]

"I mean... look at this Rush Limbaugh flap... I can't figure out why this guy gets any sort of attention, whatsoever! Definitely not a good specimen for breeding..."

Haha. In our society, he's good for breeding - he has power and can provide for a woman and her babies!

[Marvan]

Anyone ever heard of using your orgasm for healing bodies and expanding Minds? Someone has come up with a very interesting way to Self Heal and Expand Consciousness with Love Burst Classes at www.LoveExpos.org

[Confused]

Oh you figured that out??? Oh no, the secret's out!

What secret? That the One Infinite Creator is basically a female!

[Shin'Ar]

taken from http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/is..._0325.aspx

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There is no function for the woman having an orgasm during sexual relations if the desire begins and ends in the sacred mission of creating a child. Therefore, the easy access, shall we say, to stimulation which would result naturally in orgasm, was covered over by folds which one could think of as petals of a rose. They are not defensive but they are protective and in an archetypal way. Just as the archetype of the potentiator [2] has a cover over the book of wisdom that she holds to her heart, so a woman’s womanhood has a veil that protects it from the casual stimulation of sexual congress.

In order to create a female orgasm, it is most often necessary for the mated pair to go about that in a careful and conscious manner. You have heard the phrase about pearls before swine, and we do not mean to insinuate or in any suggest that your physical bodies are swine. What we do mean to suggest is that the energy of red ray is an energy that cannot function as an energy transfer in the same sense in which we speak when we are talking about sacred sex.

Indeed, for the untutored entity who may indeed be fond of this lover, or even have decided to marry and take a spouse, these orange- and yellow-ray activities of personal relationship and legal relationship are not yet enough to create a true energy exchange. The only kind of energy exchange that is possible at this level is a one-way exchange from one entity to another. This has been experienced by many within personal relationships and within marriages.

And we feel it is safe to say that, in most people’s experience, this kind of sexual intercourse, left at the level of the relationship and without opening the heart to a great deal more than is suggested by the simple running of orange or yellow-ray energy, results in the typical exchange of energy, where one entity manipulates, uses or otherwise dominates another entity. Therefore, one is indeed giving energy to the other and the other is accepting that energy. It is an exchange of a kind but is tremendously prone to being abused and becoming a toxic kind of energy exchange where the honor, dignity and self-worth of the entity that is being controlled and manipulated comes into question by both mates.

Consequently, when we speak of true energy exchange, we must consider that the energy between two people has moved a very long way from that beginning red-ray attraction which eventually initiates sexual congress. It has gone from lust to a personal relationship and then often to a legal relationship or a committed relationship which is mated. And then the couple has the opportunity to ask for the Creator Itself to enter the sexual relationship through the open heart.

And so the couple that wishes to express sacred sexuality and to become entities who serve in a certain way in the environment of planet Earth agree together, very consciously, to set forth on a journey together in which they woo each other with true affection and patience, in which they see the Creator in each other, and in which they feel the power of the Creator’s love and the Creator’s light. Each mate dedicates itself to loving the other unconditionally.

This is green-ray affection and it is at this point that the female orgasm becomes useful. There are more miles to go indeed in exploring sacred sexuality, but this is where it begins.

When true affection has been established in a sexual relationship and when that sexuality has been dedicated to the Creator, to each other, and to planet Earth, then the path of progression, for a sexually maturing mated pair, is to spend a good deal of time working with the blue-ray energy of communication. Each entity that is involved in personal relationships and sexual relationships is an oddity, a one-of-a-kind item. That is why entities are so specific about whom they love. They become used to a certain flavor of being that this entity exudes or vibrates. And so they prefer that entity’s company.

Therefore, in communicating with each other, history is shared. The reasons for this quirk and that quirk become available, either because the mate understands herself or himself, or because you observe and become able to understand your mate all on your own.

Every piece of intelligence that you have, then, you see, is a kind of piece of power, as this song today was suggesting, “a golden feather, a heart of stone”[3]. What shall you do with this knowledge of each other? Shall you use it kindly or shall you use it to make points the next time you become upset over a trifle?

When working with sexual energy, it is very important to realize that you are dealing with enormously powerful forces, and therefore, as you become more intimate with your partner, you need to become ever more careful, ever more affectionate, and ever more thoughtful about how you say things as well as what you say. For you have become a powerful person to your mate and you wish to treat this mate with all the honor and respect that you would give to the Creator Himself or Herself.

You see, if you are a man, your mate is the feminine energy of the Creator. If you are a woman, your mate is the male energy of the Creator. Together, you make the full 360 degrees of Creatorship that takes in all the polarities that you both express. You have shared all that you are and you have become one with the Creator.

How can you, then, value the female orgasm? You value it by creating a safe atmosphere in which such a thing can take place. You value it by continuing an atmosphere of gentleness, honor, romance, if you will: those small things that, to the feminine temperament, indicate a genuine and deep interest and not simply the red-ray sexual energy of lust.

If you are a woman, you treasure yourself. You do not worry about having an orgasm, as if it were the same thing as a man’s orgasm for, my friends, it is not. Certainly it can be made rough and primitive. It can have the energy simply of sexual congress in the red ray. However, it is far more likely for the feminine temperament to appreciate what’s going on when that orgasm happens to her. For a woman tends to have more of a connection with the unseen world. So, she is actually more aware of the kind of energy that is pouring through her when she is expressing an orgasm physically.

Consequently, a woman in that position is a priestess, just as a man is a priest, in sexual intercourse when they are working together sacredly. But to the man goes that kind of energy that is called by this instrument “yang,” to the woman goes the energy that is considered by this instrument “yin,” so that, in the sexual energy exchange that is sacred in nature, from the man comes that powerful energy of physical wellness and vitality—that which you think of when you think of the word “masculine.”

What the feminine offers is the inspiration from spirit. That is the other portion of that male expression of strength, power and virility. The woman is expressing acceptance, unconditional love, and the energy of the Creator Itself. For you see, the woman, unlike man, is possessed of a direct route or connection to the womb of, shall we say, Mother Nature or the red-ray energy of planet Earth.

The woman has that sea of infinity and eternity flowing through her. She is much closer to her priestliness because she must tend to the circumstances of her menses monthly and she feels the pull of the moon, the tides, and her passions in a way that, generally speaking, men are not encouraged to do in your culture.

Consequently, if two entities choose to become magical in their sexual practice, they have the ability to become great ambassadors, if you will, of light. For as they consciously call up this power that they have together and give it to each other, when they are completely saturated and filled up with this energy of orgasm, they then allow that orgasm to shine, both into the world of time/space and the world of space/time.

In the world of time/space, it is a kind of birth of created light. You have, in your own way, lightened that expression of the Creator that is occurring upon your Earth at this particular moment. You have energized and healed, with your magically offered energy, the natural function of your sexuality. It is a long way from the red-ray disturbance of the senses that adds fire and color to the life by creating sexual desire and by giving a way for it to be fulfilled to the work in indigo where entities become sacred to each other in a very formal way, so that what they offer to the Creator and to the world is very consciously offered.

Oh man, if you only knew! The intimacy of the sexual relationship between man and woman is a sacred thing which has been desecrated by many in the seeking of self-gratification.

The true orgasm is experienced when shared with a lover in intimacy of the kind that can only be experienced between two that share in love of the same intimate intensity. When two lovers have shared such an experience together, no other aspect of sex can compare.

[Brittany]

Haven't kept up with this thread at all, but I'll say that penetrating into the higher levels of energy exchange during sex (green, blue, indigo) usually induces a mind-blowing orgasm for both parties, regardless of what is actually being done physically. In fact, physical congress isn't even necessary for this type of energy exchange. It can be done over a distance. It is the purity of intention and the acknowledgement of the sacred act being performed that allows for the physical body to respond effortlessly. Heck, indigo exchange results in full body orgasms that go far, far beyond what can be achieved simply by finding the right "buttons to push."

[Shin'Ar]

Haven't kept up with this thread at all, but I'll say that penetrating into the higher levels of energy exchange during sex (green, blue, indigo) usually induces a mind-blowing orgasm for both parties, regardless of what is actually being done physically. In fact, physical congress isn't even necessary for this type of energy exchange. It can be done over a distance. It is the purity of intention and the acknowledgement of the sacred act being performed that allows for the physical body to respond effortlessly. Heck, indigo exchange results in full body orgasms that go far, far beyond what can be achieved simply by finding the right "buttons to push."

I agree Lynn.
Arousal takes place in the mind, the actual physical aspects of intercourse are great, but without the arousal and excitement it is significantly diminished.