My beef with Corkboard

[Plenum]

I've always wondered if the Corkboard is too self-interested and commercial. But maybe that's my issue with spiritual money:

Why Do Many Spiritual People Hate Money?
http://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=2259

I actually like money. But maybe this isn't the place for it.

Just my opinion.

(it feels like trying to sell stuff to your family. So wrong lol.)

[Steppingfeet]

I've always wondered if the Corkboard is too self-interested and commercial. But maybe that's my issue with spiritual money:

Why Do Many Spiritual People Hate Money?
http://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=2259

I actually like money. But maybe this isn't the place for it.

Just my opinion.

(it feels like trying to sell stuff to your family. So wrong lol.)

Hey Plenum,

Personally I think that Corkboard serves a beneficial function in the community. It is a legitimate and helpful vehicle for giving members the opportunities to connect with the hard work and livelihoods of other members, and potentially help one another out.

If I am looking for a snow globe, and discover that another member sells snow globes, chances are I would prefer to buy from the other member than from Amazon.com. Or if I made snow globes, I would like to let the community know in the event that anyone wanted to buy snow globes from me, thus supporting me and helping me pay the bills, and, if I had offspring, help me clothe, feed, and shelter them.

Personally I think it goes about it in a rather positively oriented way as well. Check out the Guidelines for this Corkboard: http://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=434.

Love/Light, Gary

[Ruth]

I completely agree with you, Gary. I would certainly prefer to buy products from fellow bring4th members than from someone I don't "know"!

Love and light!

[BrownEye]

I don't like money, but I do like providing for my family, at least until I move to a position where I can live without need of money. Such as south or central america. Grow, barter, give, sounds like the way to me.

22.5 Questioner: Can I assume then that this drastic drop in average life span from seven hundred years to less than one hundred years in length during this second 25,000 years was caused by an intensification of a lack of service to others?

Ra: I am Ra. This is in part correct. By the end of the second cycle, the Law of Responsibility had begun to be effectuated by the increasing ability of entities to grasp those lessons which there are to be learned in this density. Thus, entities had discovered many ways to indicate a bellicose nature, not only as tribes or what you call nations but in personal relationships, each with the other, the concept of barter having given way to the concept of money; also, the concept of ownership having won ascendancy over the concept of nonownership on an individual or group basis.

Each entity then was offered many more subtle ways of demonstrating either service toward others or service to self with the distortion of the manipulation of others. As each lesson was understood, those lessons of sharing, of giving, of receiving in free gratitude—each lesson could be rejected in practice.

Without demonstrating the fruits of such learn/teaching the life span became greatly reduced, for the ways of honor/duty were not being accepted.

Now go check out my crap LoL.

[Plenum]

my rant obviously points to me not having my own business, and being jealous of those who do.

Poiint taken.

(thread was not started by me but was extracted from another thread).

[BrownEye]

I don't have a business. I work for a huge corporation that I feel is a scam. It capitalizes on diabetics without actually promoting health as a way to overcome the dis-ease.

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And the quote I put up pretty much says we live a much shorter life as a result of money and ownership.

[Plenum]

but even a side business/income provides a possible way of weaning oneself off the 'system'.

there is always a 'start' to generating one's own Light as sustenance

[Ruth]

I was always taught growing up that money isn't evil, it's the LOVE of money that is "evil." So making a living by providing a product or service at a fair price is good, but becoming greedy and trying to figure out how to make more and more and more at the expense of others is "eviil."

[Diana]

but even a side business/income provides a possible way of weaning oneself off the 'system'.

there is always a 'start' to generating one's own Light as sustenance

We chose to come into the world while this system of money is in place. Whatever it actually is (meaningless pieces of paper, electronic data) it is the medium of exchange. Wherever the system came from (as pointed out by Ra), this is it right now.

Our attitude concerning it can change. Here are some ways:

1) Remove the emotional charge. Consider that money is simply the way to barter right now. The money system will change, but until it does, embrace the tool. "The love of money is the root of all evil" is not accurate in my mind, rather, greed in general is destructive; money is inert.

2) The work that you are bartering for the money, which will be bartered for what you need or want, is where you can put your energy. Do the very best you can at everything you do, including your job. Do not harbor thoughts that "the boss" is making all the money and you are his/her slave (these thoughts only set up a barriers). Have your side of the exchange be impeccable. If you don't like your job, then still do it well, but make plans for what you want to do instead. This will shift the energy from negative thoughts to positive ones.

3) By embracing that money is simply the exchange tool by which we create choices, we reprogram all the crap we have absorbed. The crap: money is the root of all evil; you can't buy the things that really matter (how about helping starving people in Africa, or setting up charities and foundations for the healing and advancement of humankind and the planet?); the rich are a**holes; us and them scenarios; these are likely promoted by STS elite who are greedy and don't want the masses to empower themselves with choice. Reprogram "money" to mean choice. Throw out all the judgments.

There is a shift toward business ownership and long-distance working. The internet provides a wonderful venue for new business. If you want to start a business, go for it! I will tell you that it is hard work, but it is worth it.

First, do a lot of reflection about what you would like to provide as a service (maybe selling vitamins and donating a percentage to 3rd world countries who can't afford them), and where your strengths lie. Then start making plans and setting goals. Download a free business plan template and start taking a look at what is entailed in completing it. The business plan is one of the first brick walls people stop at. Entrepreneurs climb all the brick walls. You can have a business without the business plan, but it is a good template by which to steer your business and it tells you where you are going.

Working for yourself is a step away from the whole industrial revolution system, which set us all up to be obedient (9-5 working was a way to get agricultural folks to obey a different, artificial clock--another link in the chain of control).

Make lots of choices (money), and keep the flow of the money moving by giving lots away to those in need. One of the things the STS elite do is contract the money flow. Open it up, let it flow.

So, spiritually speaking, instead of fighting the system, transmute it.

[Ruth]

Our attitude concerning it can change. Here are some ways:

1) Remove the emotional charge. Consider that money is simply the way to barter right now. The money system will change, but until it does, embrace the tool. "The love of money is the root of all evil" is not accurate in my mind, rather, greed in general is destructive; money is inert.

All good thoughts, Diana.

In my mind saying greed is destructive and money is inert is saying exactly the same thing as LOVE of money is "evil". It is the motivation that makes the difference, not the money itself.

[Diana]

Our attitude concerning it can change. Here are some ways:

1) Remove the emotional charge. Consider that money is simply the way to barter right now. The money system will change, but until it does, embrace the tool. "The love of money is the root of all evil" is not accurate in my mind, rather, greed in general is destructive; money is inert.

All good thoughts, Diana.

In my mind saying greed is destructive and money is inert is saying exactly the same thing as LOVE of money is "evil". It is the motivation that makes the difference, not the money itself.

I understand your point, but I see it differently.

The above comparison is not quite the same. The love of money would be one aspect of greed (but I wouldn't call it love). Greed in general would include many manifestations, such as, being greedy about sharing resources, being secretive and greedy about information, greed disguised as possessiveness, etc. And it's okay to love money. Why not? It's the use of money to separate and control that is destructive, the hoarding of money, the use of it to have power over others. This is not love.

And the word "evil" is not what I would use, as it implies right and wrong. Right and wrong is another way to divide and control.

[BrownEye]

And the word "evil" is not what I would use, as it implies right and wrong. Right and wrong is another way to divide and control.

I apply the "evil" to the sigil work and "portal" use incorporated into the design of our bills. That is what I call the "root".

[Ruth]

Our attitude concerning it can change. Here are some ways:

1) Remove the emotional charge. Consider that money is simply the way to barter right now. The money system will change, but until it does, embrace the tool. "The love of money is the root of all evil" is not accurate in my mind, rather, greed in general is destructive; money is inert.

All good thoughts, Diana.

In my mind saying greed is destructive and money is inert is saying exactly the same thing as LOVE of money is "evil". It is the motivation that makes the difference, not the money itself.

I understand your point, but I see it differently.

The above comparison is not quite the same. The love of money would be one aspect of greed (but I wouldn't call it love). Greed in general would include many manifestations, such as, being greedy about sharing resources, being secretive and greedy about information, greed disguised as possessiveness, etc. And it's okay to love money. Why not? It's the use of money to separate and control that is destructive, the hoarding of money, the use of it to have power over others. This is not love.

And the word "evil" is not what I would use, as it implies right and wrong. Right and wrong is another way to divide and control.

I actually agree with you, Diana. I'm just not as good as saying it as you are!

[Diana]

I actually agree with you, Diana. I'm just not as good as saying it as you are!

I wasn't trying to be nitpicking. I am endeavoring to be as concise as possible in my communications--for many reasons--one being my ability to be understood in the bring4th forums.

[Ruth]

I actually agree with you, Diana. I'm just not as good as saying it as you are!

I wasn't trying to be nitpicking. I am endeavoring to be as concise as possible in my communications--for many reasons--one being my ability to be understood in the bring4th forums.

No, I didn't think you were being nit picking. I meant what I said, as simply as I said it! Honest!

[Monica]

(it feels like trying to sell stuff to your family. So wrong lol.)

Have you ever recommended a good movie or restaurant to your family?

[Plenum]

(it feels like trying to sell stuff to your family. So wrong lol.)

Have you ever recommended a good movie or restaurant to your family?

surprisingly not actually

we have radically different tastes.

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but yes, I have recommended stuff to my friends.

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the CAUSE of the Rant was my own particular relationship to Money. I can see that now. Basically, I have no current independent means of generating an income, so it is a Fear Trigger for me if it is brought up/threatened in even a subtle way. Seeing others make their own way is obviously a tangential way of triggering this subconscious Fear.

I got to see this Fear played out in front of Everyone

I am humbled (yet again!)

[BrownEye]

I like the idea of "creating" for money, even though i am not fond of money.

Something i will throw up at some point are manifestation earrings. Someone keeps bugging me to build some, and checking into it i decided to try it. (Don't think i will wear them myself though). All they will do is amplify intent, but not too sure what percentage of difference it may make.

[norral]

its interesting u brought this up because i have been thinking about this lately. to me if u have a product and your goal is to see the benefit of your customers and in my case i would pray that what ever i offered would be beneficial to the welfare of the customer then u are on the right track. we need money in this world and if u gain money by providing something that benefits your customer and u do it from a place where your priority is the welfare of your customer then what u are doing is a good thing. just my take.

norral

[Monica]

the CAUSE of the Rant was my own particular relationship to Money. I can see that now. Basically, I have no current independent means of generating an income, so it is a Fear Trigger for me if it is brought up/threatened in even a subtle way. Seeing others make their own way is obviously a tangential way of triggering this subconscious Fear.

I got to see this Fear played out in front of Everyone

I am humbled (yet again!)

I admire your humility and your honesty!

[Oceania]

i hate the system of money. and red tape. all that goes together.

[Tango]

the CAUSE of the Rant was my own particular relationship to Money. I can see that now. Basically, I have no current independent means of generating an income, so it is a Fear Trigger for me if it is brought up/threatened in even a subtle way. Seeing others make their own way is obviously a tangential way of triggering this subconscious Fear.

I got to see this Fear played out in front of Everyone

I am humbled (yet again!)

Plenum, I'm inspired by the Raw Beauty of your honesty! Thank you so very much.