the chilean miners and the seventh day

[norral]

i think there was a deep deep symbolic connection between the 33
chilean miners and the upcoming seventh day of the mayan calendar
on nov 3. from the depths of the earth they arose after 10 weeks. what
was stunning is that they seemed amazingly healthy almost as if they
could have immediately stepped back into their lives and picked up right where they left off.
is there a symbolic message for mankind in this event. with the advent
of the seventh day are we mankind getting ready to emerge form the
darkness and isolation and cuttoffedness(is that a word lol ?) of this
prison planet into concious contact with our intergalactic brothers. is the
web of lies that have kept this world and its inhabitants about to be
exploded as we emerge into the glorious light of a more telepathic and
connected conciousness with a much greater ability to contact the
universal mind and to discern truth.
i certainly hope so. your thoughts and comments are welcomed

love
norral

[Monica]

I definitely think there is a symbolic meaning to this, and you offer some astute observations.

Regarding why they were still so healthy, this might be part of the reason:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7uhukEBJvM

[Ali Quadir]

I also had that feeling. It reminded me of the practice of burrying the self in the earth for three days, then rising. An initiatory practice that is shared by shamen and some christian monks.

I like your thoughts on the subject... The step of mankind out of the earth into the universe.

[Eddie]

There were a number of interesting Masonic "coincidences" as well, not the least of which is the fact that there were precisely 33 miners.........

[peelstreetguy]

I think there was 34, but they left one behind because they didn't like the number. LOL!!!! just joking!

[βαθμιαίος]

Actually, there were early news stories that gave the number as 34. See, for example, http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-10897327 -- "Chile mine collapse traps 34 miners"

[norral]

Hey all

thanks for the responses. Ali i agree 100% it felt like some
kind of initiation was taking place. i know i had read somewhere that the
heart center of the earth has been moved from california mt. shasta
to chile so this event has meaning on several levels methinks.

norral

[Deekun]

I just finished reading a book explaining this very thing. That some sort of energy center had moved to Chile, called "Serpent of Light" moved over the mountains of Chile in 2002. But the grid it was falling over was distorted and for the past 20 years that grid had been going over corrections. For all we know they were completing corrections to the grid.

"Nothing in this book is true, but it's exactly how things are", by Bob Brissell Page 285.

I found that very interesting how they seemed to lose no body fat, were healthy getting out, specially after being so far down and coming up to the cold and pressure changes. I would think at least one would have puked on the way up or out, but they were all full of energy. And yes, all the repetitive 33's and the simplistic pyramid approach to pulling them out through a simple pulley system was kinda fun to watch.
By all means I am glad they were all fine.

[Ali Quadir]

Actually, there were early news stories that gave the number as 34. See, for example, http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-10897327 -- "Chile mine collapse traps 34 miners"

This may explain the missing person...
http://www.speroforum.com/a/41754/God-ne...s-in-Chile

I'd assume a honest mistake and stick with the 33 men.. I could find nothing else that clarifies the situation.

33 is not necessarily a masonic number. The fact that they use numbers doesn't mean numbers belong to them. If we are going to assume they trapped the men down there I personally need more than that number.

[Deekun]

If we are going to assume they trapped the men down there I personally need more than that number.

They are just observations, you sound a little defensive there Ali I don't think we have to prove anything ...
I notice some post here people have been getting a bit defensive. In the end they are just feelings ... Like the ones I had, I know they sound silly but when I spoke to my mom about it, just having a small chit chat, she told me she also found something weird about the whole thing but could not put her finger on it.
Just like people put importance on repetitive number sequences, 11, 22, 33, 88, etc.
It was funny because I don't listen to hispanic TV, but according to my mom, they also had been mentioning 33 all over the place as a special significant number with the whole ordeal.
The one thing that cracked me up was the water video... that company will make a lot of money it seems.

[Monica]

The one thing that cracked me up was the water video... that company will make a lot of money it seems.

It wasn't about the money. It was about helping the miners with something that may have helped them survive.

Q'uo has stated that many of the catastrophes are catalysts to have compassion and help one another.

[Ali Quadir]

@Deekun

In my humble opinion, even if we're talking about "the bad side". It's not right to immediately throw in the accusations. Especially not on the basis of a number.... Life's facts are complicated enough as it is without us inventing more of them. I do think that accusations are always something we do have to prove. There's no such thing as guilty by default.

I consider it hilarious among the conspiracy crowd when as soon as some technical difficulty arises or some strange coincidence occurs people always say "Ah... them!!!" and exchange meaningful glances.

Like Monica says, these catastrophes could easily be a natural cause for compassion. In these cases our collective higher self is the guilty party. This also happens to be my assessment.

[jrmcleod]

The symbolisim is pretty staggering when you look into it.

1. There were 33 miners
2. The shaft collapsed on the 33rd week of the year
3. It took 33 days to reach the miners
4. The rescue took place on 13-10-10 (total added together 33)
5. The Chilean Prime Minister is giving David Cameron 33 beers
6. The winch for the capsule was elevated at an angle of 11 degrees
7. The capsule was called Fenix (Pheonix)
8. One of the miners came to the surface with a printed Chilean Star inverted on his T-shirt(symbol of Baphomet). The star should have 2 legs facing down, not 1 leg facing down.

Concidence??? I dont think so, the odds on all the 33's happening must be at about 1,000,000,000,000/1
The masons ring a bell with these numbers!

[Ali Quadir]

The symbolisim is pretty staggering when you look into it.

1. There were 33 miners
2. The shaft collapsed on the 33rd week of the year

According to my calendar that's week 31 actually. (ISO-8601 standard)

3. It took 33 days to reach the miners

17 days actually until the first drill cut through to them. The miners had heard the drill incoming and prepared letters which they taped to the drill head.

4. The rescue took place on 13-10-10 (total added together 33)

This is a nice coincidence indeed.

6. The winch for the capsule was elevated at an angle of 11 degrees

I won't even know how to check that.

5. The Chilean Prime Minister is giving David Cameron 33 beers

It was actually the other way round. David Cameron gave the prime minister 33 beers. He received a rock from the mine. This means nothing though. If there were 34 miners he'd hand out 34 beers.

7. The capsule was called Fenix (Pheonix)

Any classical education would make Phoenix a likely name. Risen from the dead. How much more applicable can this be?

8. One of the miners came to the surface with a printed Chilean Star inverted on his T-shirt(symbol of Baphomet). The star should have 2 legs facing down, not 1 leg facing down.

And you think this connects him to masons rather than say... His favorite metal band? Metal is quite popular in south america. Some very good bands are from the area.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOeIAaMpGi0

Concidence??? I dont think so, the odds on all the 33's happening must be at about 1,000,000,000,000/1

I never claimed that it was coincidence my friend... But I blame synchronicity and the human higher self rather than just accuse the usual scapegoat.

The masons ring a bell with these numbers!

No, that's just a random connection. I have seen no serious indication that the masons are involved. Only accusations based on semi facts half of whom don't even check out.

My friend, I only object to the willingness to just blame it on the masons. Ok sure, some of those masons are really the bad guys. A very small minority. But lets be serious, we are just accusing them because they're the standard bad guys.

Did you notice how many of these "facts" just fall apart when you look at them in detail?

Apart from the fact that I don't believe STO means that you can just blame the bad guy for everything. I also believe that blaming it on them when they were not involved will weaken our understanding of the world. And reduce our ability to use our discernment..

In that way that "THEM" myth is very convenient to them. The "THEM" don't even object to it because as long as you're accused of every crime in the book by your biggest opponents. Even the ones that you actually did don't matter because you can just ridicule the hell out of those opponents.

It would be refreshing to hear someone say: "No THEY didn't do it."

Also the big one, riddle me this: What does the new world order possibly have to gain by locking 33 miners down a deep mine and then rescuing them in front of a billion viewers? Where is the motive or profit... Advertising slots?

[Monica]

8. One of the miners came to the surface with a printed Chilean Star inverted on his T-shirt(symbol of Baphomet). The star should have 2 legs facing down, not 1 leg facing down.

I was with you until this point. I agree that there is significance to all those 33's. Absolutely agree, though my interpretation of that significance is different from yours.

But on the t-shirt, if you were to visit a heavy metal rock concert here in San Antonio, every other male would be wearing such a t-shirt. It has become fashion for those who like that type of music.

Evidently, one of the miners is a metalhead.

The masons ring a bell with these numbers!

The Masons don't have a monopoly on numerology. Numerological forces are at work for all of us, with or without the Masons.

[jrmcleod]

Information to help clarify where i am coming from courtesy of another mamber on ATS!

"It is said that the 32nd degree Freemasons, in order to ascend to the last and highest degree, thirty third (that’s what they tell us, of course), they have to perform a great ritual called “The king kill”. This ritual consists in the symbolic death of the freemason or king (symbolized as the number 33), and it’s reborn to a superior level, reaching enlightenment. Like the phoenix bird, the freemason dies and is born again. The Freemasons consider that the more witnesses for the ritual to have, the more powerful it would be.

In 1945 after Roosevelt's sudden death caused by a cerebral hemorrhage at the 33rd Parallel at Warm Springs, Georgia the successor was Harry S. Truman. Truman's rise as a politician is traceable to Masonic sponsorship. He said that being Grand Master for the whole state of Missouri helped him win a U.S. Senate Seat in 1940. Truman's sister, Mary Jane Truman, was the Grand Matron of Missouri in the Order of the Eastern Star, a Masonic organization.

As the 33rd President, this 33rd degree Mason initiated the Nuclear Age, the crowning success of alchemy, when the first A-bomb exploded at the 33rd Parallel Trinity Test Site, (Alamogordo) White Sands, New Mexico, at the 33rd Parallel en.wikipedia.org...(nuclear_test). He was responsible for killing of thousands of Japanese (the Yellow Peril) at two cities close to the 33rd Parallel, Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

On August 6, 1945 at 8:15 a.m. United States B-29 bomber Enola Gay, on Mission No. 13 (curious number), dropped an atomic bomb called “Little Boy” on Hiroshima, Japan near the 33rd Parallel.

The 13 time-periods of 13 years each equaled 169 years. From July 4, 1776 to July 4, 1945 equaled 169 years. From July 4,
1945 to August 6, 1945 (Hiroshima) was 33 days.


Analyzing the case of the Chilean miners several “coincidences” can be seen in this Masonic ritual. For a start, the miners are nothing more or less than 33. The capsule on which the miners came out was called “Phoenix”. The rescue began at midnight, although no one could answer why at midnight, between the days 12/10/10 (12+10+10=32) and 13/10/10 (13+10+10=33). Let’s remember that the crumble happened on 5/8, the same date on which the USA dropped an atomic bomb over Hiroshima (it was already 6/8 in Japan, but still 5/8 in the USA). If the Freemasons need witnesses to give power to their ritual, this time THEY HAD THE WHOLE WORLD WATCHING ON TV.

Could we be facing a new satanic/Masonic ritual on which a freemason will ascend from 32nd degree to the 33rd? Is that freemason no one else than Chile’s president Sebastian Piñera?

As everyone knows there were 33 miners trapped in the “underworld”, on that initiation chamber.

- If you sum up the characters on the first message that the miners ever sent “ESTAMOS BIEN EN EL REFUGIO LOS 33” (“The 33 of us are ok in the shelter”) you find that there are 33 characters.

- On the 17th day since the miners remained lost underground, we are told that the miners are still alive. Strangely the week when this is made public is this year’s 33rd week.
- The rescue happened on 13/10/10, which sums up to 33.
- The Schramm excavator T-130 dug a whole during 33 days.
- The time registered for the miners to be taken in ambulances to the Copiapo Hospital is of 33 minutes.
- On the first rescue, the capsule Phoenix II took 17 minutes to reach the interior of the mine, and it took another 16 minutes to come back to the surface which sums up 33 minutes as well.
- The miners were trapped for 69 days. 69 can be divided this way: 6+9=15, 1+5=6, and 6=3+3.
- October 9th was the 33rd day of excavation and here is when they reached the shelter and started rescuing the miners.
-The rescue officially lasted for 22:54:11, which is also 22+ 5 + 4 + 1 + 1 = 33
- The capsules arrived at the rescue area at 23:37 (hidden 33).

Historically, October 13th is a highly significant date:
13/10/1307 The knights templar were arrested. A date that would be remembered as Friday the 13th, this is where this bad luck notion comes from.
13/10/1792 The first stone for the construction of the White House was placed by the master mason George Washington.
13/10/1843 The B’nai B’rith (brothers of the convenant) Jew order was founded on NY.
13/10/1917 Suppossedly 70,000 people witnessed the Fatima Virgin’s “Miracle of the Sun” where the Sun is said came to Earth and was born again.
13/10/1972 Uruguayan Air Force flight 571 crashed on the Andes.

Chilean Flag: Observe how in each of the t-shirts given to the 33 rescued miners the star in the Chilean flag is inverted, giving the impression of a pentagram used in satanic rituals.



The t-shirt says "GRACIAS SEñOR!" in spanish and "THANK YOU LORD!", in english. Seems to me like they are thanking Lucifer.

Also the miners were told to wear dark sunglasses for the rescue, but at midnight?? It is also known that for the initiation on the Freemasonry, the initiate has it's eyes covered (because he is blind to the truth). Also, the TV news presenters on Chile were saying that the miners were "being born again from the center of the Earth". That has enormous masonic connotations.

‎69 days buried 6 + 9 = 15 1 + 5 = 6
33 miners 3 + 3 = 6
Date 13/10/10 = 33

3 + 3 = 6 666"

[BrownEye]

I find it funny that the inverted star T-shirts were given by a Christian organization. The whole setup was a ritual. Plain as day. What other "trapped miner" story has ever gotten that kind of air time? It happens all the time, it has just never mattered all that much. Did any of you notice how unclimactic the wife/husband reunions were? I'm glad I don't subscribe to TV programming.

Also what I found of interest is Venus(lucifer) rising shortly after this incident. Anyone know much about astrology?

[Monica]

I find it funny that the inverted star T-shirts were given by a Christian organization.

How do you know the t-shirt was given by a Christian organization? (Did I miss something?) I heard mention of only 1 person wearing such a shirt, and the most obvious explanation is that he's simply a metalhead. I've never heard of any Christians approving of inverted pentagrams. They usually consider any pentagrams, inverted or not, 'satanic.'

I would take any verbiage on the t-shirt with a grain of salt. There are many, many, many heavy metal bands that use inverted pentagrams, mostly because they think it looks cool. The words printed on the shirt are probably lyrics from one of their songs or an album title. Or maybe they are referring to 'Lucifer' but it's usually just a gimmick to sell their records. Seriously, it's so common in heavy metal that it's almost a uniform at metal shows, to see such shirts. And metalheads wear those shirts to work, to the grocery store, whatever. As someone who has kept up with the music industry to a fair degree, I really don't think the shirt is significant at all. I mean nada. Zip. Zilch.

The other elements might have significance, although I disagree with the conclusions as to what that significance is, but the shirt? If metal t-shirts were that significant, then that would be giving a lot of undue credit to average people who happen to like certain genres of music. In most cases, the people wearing those shirts have no clue what the pentagram (inverted or not) even means at all. They're just wearing the shirt because they like the band, plain and simple.

I'm reminded of the time my husband and I swam with dolphins with a group of Rebirthers. The dolphins were triggering initiatory experiences for all of us. The 10-year-old daughter of one of the Rebirthers told us her mom was giving her a hard time because she didn't want to get in the water. The child said, "Mom said it's because I have issues and don't want to confront them, but that's not it. The water's just too cold."

Moderator note: I would like to remind everyone to keep this thread constructive and positive. Please don't let it descend into fear, as per our forum guidelines.

[BrownEye]

How do you know the t-shirt was given by a Christian organization? (Did I miss something?) I heard mention of only 1 person wearing such a shirt, and the most obvious explanation is that he's simply a metalhead. I've never heard of any Christians approving of inverted pentagrams. They usually consider any pentagrams, inverted or not, 'satanic.'

http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2010/10/14...-t-shirts/

About your fear comment, I would think that a thorough reading of book 1-4 would eliminate fear based thought?

[Brittany]

I have to say I am a bit shocked at what this post has become. Norral, I think your thoughts were beautiful. I just don't see the point in getting worked up over numbers. If your higher self is causing a synchronicity to be activated in your head due to these events that will assist you spiritually, great! However, no two people can look at a picture and see the same thing. That is the beauty of it! It is only when all the different views come together that you get the true picture. I find each view given on the event fascinating, but feel no need to establish one as being more accurate than the other. I see this event as a cause for rejoicing, regardless of whatever symbolism is involved, but by the time I got to the bottom of this thread I felt like I was in the middle of some kids shoving each other around. Kind of killed my mood.

Sorry if I am overstepping my bounds here. I mean no one any disrespect, and you are fully entitled to whatever opinion you hold. I am simply feeling a change in the energy, not only of this thread, but of several other places on the site. We are all bozos on this bus. Let's just enjoy the ride together!