7th density and beyond?

[sunnysideup]

What about when the Creator is confronted with a new octave of creation wholly distinct and unknown from the experiences of the previous octave?

Then there is a new infinity. Infinity becomes aware all over again. I wonder if the Octave that we're going into is the one that those who came before us are in. Or if it's a brand new Octave.

I think you're are facing a condradiction when you say a new infinity.
Infinity has no beginning and no end. That's why I believe our spiritual evolution is infinite through infinite octaves.

1love

[anagogy]

It's the logical progression, since you've already united with Creator, and you don't lose that. Would it be more accurate to say that you become aware of intelligent infinity at the start of the Octave, and then lose that as you progress into the Octave?

But keep in mind, you started out united with the creator in *this* particular octave as well, and yet, here you are, in your veiled incarnate state, seemingly apart from absolute union.

28.16 Questioner: Are you saying then there are an infinite number of octaves of densities one through eight?

Ra: I am Ra. We wish to establish that we are truly humble messengers of the Law of One. We can speak to you of our experiences and our understandings and teach/learn in limited ways. However, we cannot speak in firm knowledge of all the creations. We know only that they are infinite. We assume an infinite number of octaves.

However, it has been impressed upon us by our own teachers that there is a mystery-clad unity of creation in which all consciousness periodically coalesces and again begins. Thus we can only say we assume an infinite progression though we understand it to be cyclical in nature and, as we have said, clad in mystery.

The octaves are cyclical in nature -- a sort of reincarnation on a cosmic scale.

[AnthroHeart]

But keep in mind, you started out united with the creator in *this* particular octave as well, and yet, here you are, in your veiled incarnate state, seemingly apart from absolute union.

Did I have a choice to leave Creator in the beginning as an individualized consciousness into first density? Could I not have stayed merged with Creator? I suppose I needed to venture out in order to advance spiritually.

The octaves are cyclical in nature -- a sort of reincarnation on a cosmic scale.

I hope the next one is not too similar to this one. Although I don't know what comes after this life, so I can't say how beautiful creation really is. I hope at least 3D is different in the next Octave.

Ra said that the polarities of the last Octave were mover and moved. So the next Octave will probably be different than this one.

[anagogy]

Did I have a choice to leave Creator in the beginning as an individualized consciousness into first density? Could I not have stayed merged with Creator? I suppose I needed to venture out in order to advance spiritually.

Well, you are always one with the creator, but a portion of the creator chose to entertain the illusion of separation. Honestly, I feel like people have a big misconception about the evolution through the densities. I really don't feel like any of it is to advance spiritually. Rather, it is just a natural manifestation of the creator turning its awareness upon itself. Knowing itself in other words. If that is what you mean by spiritually advance, then I would agree.

From my perspective, the whole process is just infinite beingness choosing to to explore the spectrum of "knowingness" (the realm of mind), which is a polarized spectrum ranging from doubt or uncertainty to absolute knowing. And every octave contains seven densities, and the vibratory rates of those octaves determine their true colors and the requisite lessons or knowingness required to elevate one's consciousness to the next spectrum of vibrations. The forms that those densities take may well vary, but the lessons required for passage through them stay the same.

I hope the next one is not too similar to this one. Although I don't know what comes after this life, so I can't say how beautiful creation really is. I hope at least 3D is different in the next Octave.

Ra said that the polarities of the last Octave were mover and moved. So the next Octave will probably be different than this one.

I think the main difference between them is that the physical manifestations that facilitate the lessons required for passage through each density becomes more efficient in every progressive octave. So, the polarity concept has just become more defined in our octave, rather so much than being different. Similar to how in the beginning of 3rd density in our octave, there was no veil, but the veil was added because caused our 3rd density lessons to be acquired with far more efficiency. These are the kind of refinements, or differences, I would think you would see octave to octave. Refinements on the "one original thought", which is in my understanding, the manifest 7th density universal Logos, which passes through the octave density, but does not dissolve into it completely.

[AnthroHeart]

Thanks for the input anagogy. I never thought about us not evolving spiritually since we are already one with Creator. We are just knowing ourselves, and thus Creator knows itself. This makes sense.
Is it right to assume there is no physicality in the next Octave, since there isn't any in 7D? It goes from non-physicality to something else entirely.

[anagogy]

Thanks for the input anagogy. I never thought about us not evolving spiritually since we are already one with Creator. We are just knowing ourselves, and thus Creator knows itself. This makes sense.
Is it right to assume there is no physicality in the next Octave, since there isn't any in 7D? It goes from non-physicality to something else entirely.

In my opinion, in the octave density, there is no physicality. And 7D is the container for the whole spectrum of densities, so in a sense, you could say there is some physicality in the sense that 1D is simply the "outer edge" of 7D. Now, from the 7D perspective it doesn't experience this 1D as "physical", because you can't simultaneously see through the lens or perspective of separation and unity at the same time, just as light and dark cannot be in equal concentrations in the same place.

The next octave, in my opinion, will have a physical component to its densities, and a nonphysical component, just as our present octave of densities does, depending on what level of vibration, or density, you are perceiving it from.

[AnthroHeart]

I wonder if we will all be guardians in the next Octave. Or all have the exquisite light bringing capability of guardians.

[AnthroHeart]

L/Leema Sunday Meditation February 23, 1986

However, let it be known upon a dark Earth that the vast majority of the essential you has not left the creation of the Father, but dwells unmanifest and unpotentiated, full of energy, full of life, but without any need for outer expression, that need being a part of what it is to be in the illusion of positive and negative and lessons to be learned and journeys to be walked.

I knew that not all of me was here in 3D.

[Infinite Unity]

When  you are finished with all your densities of learning and you lose your identity do you cease to exist? I am very confused about this, it is as if I do not ever want to get to this point.

Be a timeless period of remerging with the Creator, then when ready and eager for more, one then remerges in creation just in the next octave. In my opinion your progress will be tied to who you think you are in this octave. In my opinion that's a good deal of seventh density in this octave, is that you as a shard of the Creator goes on forever. Even a 'shard' of infinity is none the less infinite. Possibly infinity immersed within infinity. Like a bubble in water, and infinity has no end ..Rather it transforms/evolves.

What's weird is that you and everyone else is none other then the Creator, the only one. Yet you are a distorted you, and all the seeming progression is you healing, or undistorting oneself. To be ever more which you always were........you. I mean there is nothing else other then Creator.

The Law Is One

[AnthroHeart]

Infinite, I like how you say your progress will be tied to who you think you are in this octave.

I wonder if our True Self is our mind/body/spirit totality or if it is Creator itself.

Maybe even Creator does not know what the next Octave entails.

[Infinite Unity]

Infinite, I like how you say your progress will be tied to who you think you are in this octave.

I wonder if our True Self is our mind/body/spirit totality or if it is Creator itself.

Maybe even Creator does not know what the next Octave entails.

Welll in my opinion. Every Nexus is distortion, every being a representation, everything an representation/vehicle. The truest identity, which we think of as self, is the one. The Distortion of confusion is a
byproduct of the Creator being focused into points, or perspectives/points of view. Which the illusion is that the point is a point with in many other points. It's very hard for the point to recognize other points/it's point as apart of everything
The illusion of mechanismm/cause effect, really helps in confusing. The point I speak of is consciousness, and as all representations/distortions its nature/origin is Love/Light. With potential/kinetic resulting.

So in my mind distortion can be applied in two ways. Distortion is everything, and is close to the meaning of representation/vehicle. The secondary meaning can be relayed as a level, meaning a truer representation or poorer, of distortion within any given distortion/vehicle. Obviously what's being represented is Creator.

[Minyatur]

Maybe even Creator does not know what the next Octave entails.

All Octaves co-reach Infinity, All many-ness is tied into One.

[Zach]

Thanks for the input anagogy. I never thought about us not evolving spiritually since we are already one with Creator. We are just knowing ourselves, and thus Creator knows itself. This makes sense.
Is it right to assume there is no physicality in the next Octave, since there isn't any in 7D? It goes from non-physicality to something else entirely.

In my opinion, in the octave density, there is no physicality.  And 7D is the container for the whole spectrum of densities, so in a sense, you could say there is some physicality in the sense that 1D is simply the "outer edge" of 7D.  Now, from the 7D perspective it doesn't experience this 1D as "physical", because you can't simultaneously see through the lens or perspective of separation and unity at the same time, just as light and dark cannot be in equal concentrations in the same place.

The next octave, in my opinion, will have a physical component to its densities, and a nonphysical component, just as our present octave of densities does, depending on what level of vibration, or density, you are perceiving it from.

good stuff.. thanks. I vibe with it.

mean't also to quote the thoughts about the commonalities between octave cycles and reincarnation. interesting stuff.