Our Planet is 4D Now? Looks the same to me.

[zenmaster]

I think you are putting the cart before the horse.

Go back and re-read what was said.

[anagogy]

I think you are putting the cart before the horse.

Go back and re-read what was said.

Okay, you too.

[Patrick]

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Yes with the proper conditions which can't be reduced to "awareness" in any meaningful way. That's yet another appeal to infinities of the new-age meme.

Zen, do you subscribe to objectivity ?

What do you mean by that?

Sorry my friend, I should have put a link. Here it is.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Objectivity_(philosophy)

No. If I subscribe to anything it'd be dialectical monism.

But to really answer your question, the subjective realm of experience enters around the same time the heart chakra opens here. In Spiral Dynamics, it's the "green vMeme". People that are just starting to experience subjective reality tend to see everything according to that perspective and inflate its significance in order to eventually appreciate it more fully. That's funny also. It's a stage.

Thank you !

I am looking for an entry point into understanding your point of view better. I needed an entry point because from the surface you seemed to me to be jumping all over the place. I guess that I will have to first build a point of view nearer to your roots and from there I would probably be able to have a glimpse of how everything looks like from your perspective.

[xise]

But to really answer your question, the subjective realm of experience enters around the same time the heart chakra opens here. In Spiral Dynamics, it's the "green vMeme". People that are just starting to experience subjective reality tend to see everything according to that perspective and inflate its significance in order to eventually appreciate it more fully. That's funny also. It's a stage.

You hit the nail on the head for my awakening.

I did not awaken because I concerned myself directly with spiritual matters, I was very much trying to find the best personal life philosophy and for most of my adult life pursued selfishness and basing my happiness on external things, such as material things but also where I ranked hierachically to other people, but it never really fit me. Then one day I decided to focus on the internal world of happiness and to change my judgmental thinking (which was an impetus to dominate/be self to change things around me) to an acceptance and to an understanding that the best way to become happy is to focus on my own thinking and my own perception of happiness and find happiness and optimism in every moment. Sound familiar?: (Before I found LOO. Though I found LOO shortly after).

Not counting 2 dreams from my spirit guides around that time, it was only after I started to get these crazy heart chakra energies whenever I spoke spiritual truths that opened my eyes to a subjective reality. And sometimes heart chakra energies that would predict the future (not on demand, unfortunately, in another thread I detailed them)...fucking crazy s***. It was after that I started to explore all things I previously dismissed (after all, I'm a criminal defense lawyer with a background in computer science, you gotta prove s*** to me ) such as crystals, auras, channeling, manifestation, etc. Put me in the insane aslyem already

[Karl]

Also Zenmaster: Have you studied logic? Where is the basis/origin of the skill you have organising and structuring language based information? (Not an attack I genuinly want to know so I can research it)

I'd still like an answer for my previous question Zen.

[zenmaster]

It was after that I started to explore all things I previously dismissed (after all, I'm a criminal defense lawyer with a background in computer science, you gotta prove s*** to me ) such as crystals, auras, channeling, manifestation, etc. Put me in the insane aslyem already

Somewhat similar to my story, although I was young (6 or 7) when I became fascinated with "enigmas" and metaphysical reality. I also have a computer science background. Channeling took a while to investigate due to what seemed to me to be the ungrounded, flaky nature of most people involved in "new age" hyper-intuitive distractions. But I did eventually investigate, due to recommendation from a friend, and had found the Ra material mostly congruent with what I already believed to be a "way".

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Also Zenmaster: Have you studied logic? Where is the basis/origin of the skill you have organising and structuring language based information? (Not an attack I genuinly want to know so I can research it)

I'd still like an answer for my previous question Zen.

I have studied logic somewhat, for undergrad in CS and non-formally in various philosophical works. Not sure what you mean by structuring language-based info. Maybe you can expand on that? I have no problem recommending books if I knew the general area of interest.

[Karl]

I structured that question sloppily.

I mean more of how you dis-assemble the sentences presented to you in a conversation so as to analyze the components and understand the whole sentence better.

Like seeing non-relevant ideas/assumptions/etc thrown in to it, or realizing that two people do not have identical definitions of a word/phrase/ideaology/etc.

So what I mean by language based information is simply an over complicated way of saying 'conversation'.

Hopefully the above description is more concise than the previous.

[drifting pages]

http://vimeo.com/38260970#

Jason Silva, always inspiring.

[zenmaster]

I mean more of how you dis-assemble the sentences presented to you in a conversation so as to analyze the components and understand the whole sentence better.

Like seeing non-relevant ideas/assumptions/etc thrown in to it, or realizing that two people do not have identical definitions of a word/phrase/ideaology/etc.

So what I mean by language based information is simply an over complicated way of saying 'conversation'.

Short answer is context, experience - (thousands of dialogs, reflection, worldview, trial and error) and honesty. There is no perfect communication or possibility for misunderstanding, but there are many ways to reduce the instances of it if the intent to do so is there and persists.

[Karl]

So it's a personally constructed system you've acquired from experience then?

[caycegal]

Meme, an idea that permeates mass consciousness. Most internet jokes are considered memes.

I like your definition of "meme." (Like using it in the phrase with "mass consciousness.")

It's strange (not in a bad way) to read in this thread people talking about the "New Age Meme."

Here's a pretty interesting and comprehensive definition of "New Age."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Age

Another phrase that's interesting is "New Thought," which, I believe, refers to all philosophies or theologies which believe that mind or thought is what builds or creates this physical manifestation.

[zenmaster]

So it's a personally constructed system you've acquired from experience then?

As opposed to formal study? Yes, but I couldn't imagine any treatment I'd use to be a "system" because it's a unique dialog which is dynamic.

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Another phrase that's interesting is "New Thought," which, I believe, refers to all philosophies or theologies which believe that mind or thought is what builds or creates this physical manifestation.

Kind of an old idea to be called "new", isn't it? Good book on the subject is "A Place for Consciousness".