Confederation IS Orion group???

[Shin'Ar]

I am sorry Monica, I hope I don't sound evasive. But I cannot even really recall how this came into discussion to be honest. all I can say is that I recall reading it somewhere in Book one, but without actually re-reading the entire thing for the fourth time, I cannot pinpoint it.

Is this what you were thinking of?

18.1 Questioner: I was thinking last night that if I were in the place of Ra right now, the first distortion of the Law of One might cause me to mix some erroneous data with the true information that I was transmitting to this group. Do you do this?

Ra: I am Ra. We do not intentionally do this. However, there will be confusion. The errors which have occurred have occurred due to the occasional variation in the vibrational complex of this instrument due to its ingestion of a chemical substance. It is not our intent in this particular project to create erroneous information but to express in the confining ambiance of your language system the feeling of the infinite mystery of the one creation in its infinite and intelligent unity.

Sorry no it seems to suggest the exact opposite of what I would have recalled.

[hogey11]

maybe you misremembered the thrust of the statement, as you seem to not recall exactly where or what it was in the first place...

[Shin'Ar]

Yes, that is possible as I have already stated.

[Pablísimo]

Hi Shin'Ar,

Thank you so much for taking the time, and having the integrity, to answer my questions. I sincerely appreciate that! I feel like I now have much greater insight into you and what you've been up to on the forum. Greater understanding often leads to greater harmony, and I am grateful to you.

1) You mentioned there was something in the Ra material where Ra had deliberately used deception in order to spread the Law of One. Can you please point me to this passage? I asked once before but did not receive a reply.

Sorry but I cannot bother to go through the entire book to find that. I just recall reading it.

Based on this, and your subsequent replies to others in this thread on this quote, I conclude that you were most likely mistaken about finding intentional deception in the Ra material. This is yet another indicator that you have not studied the source material to which this forum is dedicated in great detail. While there is no reason that anyone has to study the material, I think you would find greater familiarity with it to be of aid in discussing a great many concepts in this particular forum, which is dedicated to the L/L Research channelings. I realize that you have been informed by other spiritual sources, as have we all, but please consider the platform upon which you have chosen to share your views with us.

2) My belief, based on reading your posts, is that your basic spiritual foundation lies in the teachings of Jon Peniel. As such, I am curious if you were aware, before I pointed it out in the other thread, of the connections with the Source Family group and the subsequent false story/allegory of the Tibetan Monestary / Father Yod's family house in the Children of the Law of One book by Jon Peniel?

I was not aware of that hippy group that you spoke of. I am aware of Peniel's teachings and find them to be in line with much of my own understandings although there are certain aspects that I would have to say remain questionable because of the inability to prove them one way or the other.

In that case, I simply suggest that you take some time and investigate the Source Family and their Teachings. (Note, they do have a name beyond 'that hippy group']. That group is the foundation upon which Jon Peniel wrote his spiritual novel -- truth + fiction. It may enlighten you somewhat about the Jon Peniel teachings that you seem to resonate with. If you don't care to, that's perfectly fine with me, it is merely a suggestion.

3) Do you know where the origin of the Atlantis information, upon which the concepts of the conflict between the two groups and the Humanimals originated within Jon Peniel's work? Because it wasn't from the "monastery" in Tibet and I'd like to learn more about this from the source that Jon pulled it from.

No. My understanding is that the assumption on his part is based upon his attempt at logically surmising the things that we do know from the ancient teachings. But, you do have to admit that there is much evidence to suggest what he teaches to be quite possible.

To be honest with you, I found his work to be of mixed polarity. Some things did make sense and resonate with me, and some things did not. I find the Humanimals/Atlantis topics to be some of the most improbable bits of the work. However, I thought it would be useful to investigate Jon's source material in the same way I found it useful to study the Source Family to understand Jon's teachings. It would be nice if he had clearly labeled things, and I thought perhaps you might have found it. No problem that you haven't.. if I really need the information, somehow it will come to me, as it always does.

4) What is your intention in participating in this forum, ie, what is your purpose here as you see it?

One night while in meditative trance I was called upon by another field. In my state I was already connected to another, and through that connection I was taken to this calling. I follow my gnostic intuition as I always do, and seek to discover why I was led to this place. In the course of that seeking I confront that which I experience by doing what I think is the right thing to do, as I have always done. What I am finding is that there seems to be a problem in this community with regard to some member's understanding of STS, and the fact that the Ra material is too complex for some to really grasp. I have no desire to preach any particular religious doctrine. I simply respond to the discussions with what is in my heart, just as everyone else here does. However I do respect the fact that this community is based around the teaching of Ra, and so seeing a problem with regard to that teaching, specifically STS and people's inability to grasp it, this becomes the focus of my attention. This may be the reason I was called here. Although I will say that there are a couple of particular people I have found
here that may also be the reason I was led here.

This is a most interesting response. I thank you again for your candor. In keeping with that candor, I would like to suggest again, purely for consideration that when one refuses to accept another part of Creation, when one has an "Enemy", when one hates anything -- including the darkness, it can create heart blockages. People with heart blockages are ripe for manipulation by STS entities. This forum is a great source of Love & Light and thus a prime target for such entities. I sincerely hope that you are not being manipulated. It's impossible to tell, of course, but were I in your shoes I would at least consider the possibility that whatever "called" me here was not the sincere seekers on this forum.

That said, I doubt that's all that's happening. Here's my theory on what's happening here. It's just a theory, so please toss it aside if you don't find it useful.

What I think is happening is twofold. I think you are on the one hand here to help inform and enlighten some folks who have a simplistic view of the STS polarity. I sincerely think you are helping some of the people that read your words to better understand. However, simultaneously, I think you are here to LEARN a more balanced and expansive view of the STS polarity yourself. Just as you understand some angles of this issue that others on here do not, so too do others have a greater understanding than your more simplistic view of the STS polarity. In the amazing way the universe works, you are uniquely qualified and uniquely handicapped in the same way. Thus the perfection of Creation in giving us our Teachers and our Students shows up once again.

Yes, that's right, I think you are simultaneously teaching some of us while also learning some extremely important lessons from some others of us. And on the very same topic!!! You are a teacher with good information, but also a student who badly needs to learn your own lesson. It's called Learn/Teaching.

Basically, what I think you've done is this

...You look through the window of our forum. You saw in it some kindergartners chatting and playing, and so assumed that this was a kindergarten.

...So you charge through the door and start educating these youngsters about their folly!

....Some of them really, really need to hear it. The trouble is... you are so wrapped up in your sermons that you haven't stopped to properly look around the room.

...The kindergartners are a small group who are welcome to play here, but there aren't many of them. No, the vast majority of people in the room are actually........

ADVANCED UNIVERSITY STUDENTS!!!!!!

And you just haven't noticed yet. It's actually kind of funny, in a way. These very folks have much to teach YOU, as well as learn FROM you. But you must approach us as equals if you wish to be taken seriously.

5) Are you a member of a spiritual group founded by Jon Peniel?

Not likely!

I apologize, but I am confused by the response. Is that a No? Or a Yes?

6) Are you associated in any way with the person or people who created and maintain this website:
http://www.atlantis.to/

Not in any way.

Thanks for that clarification!!!! Sincerely!!

7) Do you believe that you have anything to learn FROM us? Or are you only here to Teach TO us?

I do not believe that anyone can lay claim to truth, because the only true way to seek after it is to be completely open to abandoning which you thought may have been truth, for new revelations of truth as they appear. Any other method leaves one closed minded to new opportunities of increasing knowledge, and the acquisition of truth.

I notice here that you do not admit that you have anything to learn from us. This is very telling. It is also perfectly OK, but I think your quote below is very good:

Here is an excerpt from something I wrote about ten years ago which best explains my thoughts on this matter:

"We come here with open minds in search of truth we could not find elsewhere. The spiritual teachings of some of the great prophets and teachers throughout history sometimes seem to meet with the aspects of creation that we deem logical to our way of thinking. But as seemingly truthful as any teaching may seem to be, we must always discern them with an open mind, to be sure that we are not becoming complacent to applying logic in our discerning of the truth from deception or mistake. Intellect and wisdom promote open mindedness that evades the confining nature of delusion and traditional deceits. The eye of the mind must always be open, never tiring and becoming lazy, to allow the light of truth in to overwhelm the darkness of blindness. To have an open mind one must always be receptive to external thought other than one's own, even to criticism of things one has already learned. For if one has been misled, misguided or misinformed, than how would one ever correct that mistake. To have an open mind one must be willing to be proven wrong, which means that one must almost never attain a certainty of anything. For should one be wrong, and the truth professed to him afterward, his certainty becomes the closed mind that blinds him once again. We must always be receptive, and then discerning."

Seriously. This is very wise, and this is good advice. I suggest you follow your own words here as they are spot on.

Now I am really not sure why you have such an issue with my desire to learn about your interpretations of the Ra material, or why you seem to think I am affiliated with this hippy group you keep talking about, but I have answered your questions in full honesty and hope that you can somehow find it in your heart to just accept my sincere intentions to try to confront what I see as an issue that should be thorougly discussed here in this community, without feeling attacked by the inquiry or what someone esle may have to say on the matter just because it may question what you have accepted as valid.

As you have been indeed been very open and honest with me, I will do the same for you.

I do not believe you are a member the Source Family, as I have clarified several times already. However I believe that your primary spiritual source material was heavily influenced by that group, and thus you should be aware of them and perhaps even investigate their Teachings to greater inform yourself. There is also an element of deception in Jon Peniel's work as he made up stories about Tibet as an allegory for his time in The Source Family. This is relevant to me, but if you do not feel it relevant then by all means let it fall aside.

I also don't feel attacked or threatened in any way by you questioning things that we have accepted as valid. This happens every single day, and is a very beneficial thing. It behooves us all to not be too rigid in our views and to be open minded.

The real reason your storm of posting on the topic bothers me is what I see as rude and unfriendly dialogue. I have observed you arguing with others on several threads and your words come across to me as condescending, as preachy, as rude, and as disrespectful to the other self.

If you treat others with Love and Respect as you disagree with them, then I have no issue whatsoever with you.

It really is that simple. I'm not threatened by your ideas, but I AM bothered by mistreatment of others. I watched this situation get out of hand and cause real problems with some previous "Gurus of the week" we had, and so I decided that this time I was going to actually speak up on it. We all have free will to believe or not believe whatever we want. But you know, it really is possible to simply disagree with someone while still honoring them, and their own views, as your equal.

Love to all,

[Shin'Ar]

Pablissimo,

Thank you for your time. It is much effort you put into trying to get your point across to me about what you feel.

However, how is it that you can passionately express yourself, and yet you deny me the same?

The only difference between what you are doing and myself is that you seem to think I have been rude in some situations.

In a thread where one is responding to particular posts it might seem that, but I assure you that I have neither been personally insulting, because I never am, nor what I would define as rude. There was disagreement, but it did not lead to any of the comments that one would usually define as rude. I think you percieve it as rudeness because it is colored by your opinion of what you call preachers and gurus.

As for my preaching, I do not know how to shine Light without driving off darkness. It cannot be done. It is the nature of the universe. If my words fend off darkness than my words match what is in my heart.

With regard to the Ra material let me ask you if you knew a Biblical scholar would you expect them to be able to recount a specific passage off the top of their heads? Would you demand that if they could not that they must go in search of it to prove a point? This is NOT the Strictly Law of One thread and so it is open to other topics. this one being specifcally about Orion.

I have read Book One four times and have some recall of what I have read and studied. That I cannot pinpoint every passage does not mean that I want to go back and search the entire book for again.

You are right in that STS was the factor which caught my eyes here. Service to self is a tool used by the dark ones to manipulate us. I have known that for a long time. However I do not judge those who I bring that message to by their degree of kindergarten or advanced abilities as you seem to do. It is my understanding that a person would have to be extremely arrogant to claim thay they are advanced given the countless higher beings that have gone on before us and the vastness of the universe in which we exist.

Yes, I am here to teach and learn. I understand this well and it is the path I have been on for a lifetime. As for my sources of information, I am mostly gnostic in that regard. If I had to classify myself according to the teachings that I most resonate to, I consider myself a Druid Magi. And that has nothing to do with the terminologies used by today's druid reconstructionists. That would be based solely on my own interpretation of what the true Druids and Magi were. I certainly did not read Peniel's work and begin a crusade according to his teachings. His are but a long list of readings and teachings that I have acquired. And I always discern them according to how they fit into the puzzle I am piecing together. if they fit I do not care who or what they come from. Which is why I can say that I have learned from the darkness as well. There are pieces to the puzzle that have been added from my understanding of that as well.

I do not hate the Dark Ones, I beware them. I do not fear them, I try to avoid them. But we are all caught up in the systems they have established and lord over us. They know exactly what they do, as do you. Ignoring it or pretendiung that their actions and affects on this world are just brotherly opposites is not applying intelligence toward their reality, or wisdom on one's path to the Light.

The wisdom is in becoming aware, making one's choices based upon awareness, and than striving to follow the path of wisdom rather then the path of apathy.

I am in the process of putting together a webiste which includes all that I have managed to piece together in this path. I think that if you choose to visit all of your questions about my path will be fully answered there. i will post a link to it and an invite to all when it is ready.

Now I believe we have gotten off topic and will be hearing from the Mods.

[3DMonkey]

I thought Shin'ar was the kindergartner charging in the room demanding we all watch her Play she wrote.

[Pablísimo]

Pablissimo,

Thank you for your time. It is much effort you put into trying to get your point across to me about what you feel.

However, how is it that you can passionately express yourself, and yet you deny me the same?

Not at all! By all means express yourself as much as you like. I just think it can be done a bit more respectfully.

The only difference between what you are doing and myself is that you seem to think I have been rude in some situations.

That is true, that is my opinion as well.

In a thread where one is responding to particular posts it might seem that, but I assure you that I have neither been personally insulting, because I never am, nor what I would define as rude. There was disagreement, but it did not lead to any of the comments that one would usually define as rude. I think you percieve it as rudeness because it is colored by your opinion of what you call preachers and gurus.

My impressions are subjective. If you don't agree with them, that's totally your right. I spoke up because the lack of respect for others bothered me. I could be mistaken both in your intent and execution.

But what if there is some truth to what I say? It is worth pondering...

With regard to the Ra material let me ask you if you knew a Biblical scholar would you expect them to be able to recount a specific passage off the top of their heads? Would you demand that if they could not that they must go in search of it to prove a point? This is NOT the Strictly Law of One thread and so it is open to other topics. this one being specifcally about Orion.

No. However, in this thread you complained directly about people not answering your questions in another thread. You also complained about sarcasm while being sarcastic towards others.

And thus, since you had ignored my direct questions in another thread and the rudeness was wearing on me, I spoke up.

However, in regards to the passage about Ra.. .it's not just any passage. You basically alleged that there was a passage in the Ra Material that said
Ra had intentionally used deception in order to convey the Law of One. You brought this up because I objected to Jon Peniel using deception in his teaching of his understanding of the Law of One.

To say that Ra has done this in the Material is pretty explosive, considering that to use deception to transmit the Law of One is directly opposite to their own stated philosophy! Such a quote is unlikely exist because it is the very opposite of what they taught. I don't expect you to be able to quote chapter and verse. But if you're going to come into an L/L forum and claim that one of the primary teachers of Confederation philosophy, Ra, used deception to convey the message, I think it reasonable to insist that you provide some sort of evidence. It's not a bit of esoterica we're talking about here, such a quote would be an antithesis of the teachings. Thus I very much wanted to investigate your claim. Unless you can find the quote, then I suggest that you are simply mistaken about its existence.

I think ANY teacher transmitting the Law of One through lies or deception should be looked upon with greater discernment. I consider Ra to be great teachers and thus would like very much to know about it if deception truly had been used.

I have read Book One four times and have some recall of what I have read and studied. That I cannot pinpoint every passage does not mean that I want to go back and search the entire book for again.

I hope you can understand the difference between pinpointing every passage and being able to back up the claim that Ra used deception to transmit their message. I'm surprised you've read it that many times based on your posts. But if you do re-read it in the future, and find the passage, please let me know.

You are right in that STS was the factor which caught my eyes here. Service to self is a tool used by the dark ones to manipulate us. I have known that for a long time. However I do not judge those who I bring that message to by their degree of kindergarten or advanced abilities as you seem to do. It is my understanding that a person would have to be extremely arrogant to claim thay they are advanced given the countless higher beings that have gone on before us and the vastness of the universe in which we exist.

I tried to use the rough analogy with the kindergartners, but it seems that it missed the mark. Basically what I'm trying to suggest is that you have just as much to learn about this topic of STS polarity as you have to teach others. There are different levels of understanding, and some humility would go a long way towards learning that which you need and would also help you better convey that which you need to teach.

That's all I meant. You're trying to TEACH the very people that you need to LEARN something from. At the same time you're teaching those who do need your teachings. You just only seem to be aware of one side of the process.... at least, that's my subjective impression.

Yes, I am here to teach and learn. I understand this well and it is the path I have been on for a lifetime. As for my sources of information, I am mostly gnostic in that regard. If I had to classify myself according to the teachings that I most resonate to, I consider myself a Druid Magi. And that has nothing to do with the terminologies used by today's druid reconstructionists. That would be based solely on my own interpretation of what the true Druids and Magi were. I certainly did not read Peniel's work and begin a crusade according to his teachings. His are but a long list of readings and teachings that I have acquired. And I always discern them according to how they fit into the puzzle I am piecing together. if they fit I do not care who or what they come from. Which is why I can say that I have learned from the darkness as well. There are pieces to the puzzle that have been added from my understanding of that as well.

Thank you very much for the additional information about your background and your feelings towards Peniel. Perhaps it is because you use his terminology so frequently that I came to my earlier conclusions.

In any case, thank you for clarifying.

I do not hate the Dark Ones, I beware them. I do not fear them, I try to avoid them. But we are all caught up in the systems they have established and lord over us. They know exactly what they do, as do you. Ignoring it or pretendiung that their actions and affects on this world are just brotherly opposites is not applying intelligence toward their reality, or wisdom on one's path to the Light.

Are you sure you don't fear them? Are you sure that you don't hate them? That's not the impression I've gotten from reading your words on this forum.

It may well be that despicable though there acts are, that they play a very important part in the evolution of other souls. There is a role for the STS polarity to play in the grand dance of creation. You don't have to agree with me on this, but it is worth considering.

I see Zaxon, one who is clearly dedicated to the darkness, has just commented that your hatred and fear of the dark side is a delicacy.

It's worth pondering that....

The wisdom is in becoming aware, making one's choices based upon awareness, and than striving to follow the path of wisdom rather then the path of apathy.

I am in the process of putting together a webiste which includes all that I have managed to piece together in this path. I think that if you choose to visit all of your questions about my path will be fully answered there. i will post a link to it and an invite to all when it is ready.

I would very much like to read that when you're done with it. I do feel I have some things to learn from you as well.

Now I believe we have gotten off topic and will be hearing from the Mods.

Honestly, I think you've brought up the STS polarity topic in a wide range of threads, and I don't see our latest exchange as off-topic.

If the mods disagree, they'll just move the posts or split into a new thread. They'll also send one or both of us an exceedingly nice request to stay on topic. They are very fair and reasonable, I'm not concerned about what actions they may take.

But I do feel it was important to share these perspectives with you. I thank you, Brother, for your openness and honesty in sharing your perspective with me. For what it's worth, I've found your conduct towards me in these posts to be very respectful, and I truly appreciate that.

Please do keep shining your Light around here -- just please try to be careful not to burn others with your light. Oh, and you might find if you give your eyes time to adjust to the Light that is already in this forum, that you will find yourself among equals.

Love to all

[Shin'Ar]

I thought Shin'ar was the kindergartner charging in the room demanding we all watch her Play she wrote.

Is this the sort of rudeness you were speaking of Pablissimo?

And is my response to it what you would define as rude?

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Pablissimo,

I learn from the All whenever I can.

I will admit to not being able to recall why that topic of decpetion came up, and now that you have refreshed that I will take another trip into that Book to see if I can find the passage that I recall. You are right in that it should have consequences.

As for Zaxon. I was baiting his ego and it worked.

I have no reason to fear or hate polarity. It has its purpose as being polarity and revealing its own aspect of such polarity.

What I do is shine Light on that aspect so that all may be able to make the distinction. That is my aspect of the poalrity. What is to fear or hate in the One Consciousness?

However we have choices. We have direction and we have purpose.

If one thinks that daring into the darkness to experience it is necessary than that choice has consequences that can be detrimental depending on the depth that one enters into it.

Some here seem to deny that danger because of how they interpret the Ra material. And so you are aware, I am not the only one here in this community who thinks this way.

As for my discussion with Ankh I was not deliberately creating an argument, I was responding to what was said in another thread which was relative to this one at that point.

[Pablísimo]

I thought Shin'ar was the kindergartner charging in the room demanding we all watch her Play she wrote.

Is this the sort of rudeness you were speaking of Pablissimo?

Mildly so, but yes, it is. Though, I would say that given how you've treated him in other threads, I think this is more of a case of an Other-Self holding up a mirror to an Other-Self.

Also, as far as I can recall 3DM has never tried to violate our free will in sharing his unique understandings, nor has he pushed his views forcefully upon us. Those actions compound the damage done from unkind words when people do not agree.

And is my response to it what you would define as rude?

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I haven't seen your response yet, but how you choose to respond to 3DM is totally your choice, no matter what he says. How you formulate that response would determine whether I define it as rude, yes, but my definitions don't really mean anything. What matters is how you perceive yourself in interactions with other-selves. They are your mirrors and this is every bit as much your lesson as it is others. and mine, for that matter, as we are all interconnected.

There's a lovely quote on this topic that I suspect you've seen before:

Between stimulus and response there is a space. In that space is our power to choose our response. In our response lies our growth and our freedom.
Viktor E. Frankl

Pablissimo,

I learn from the All whenever I can.

I'm glad to hear this. I sincerely, sincerely am. For a moment it looked as though you were blocked to expanding your own understanding of this topic, instead preferring to press your knowledge upon others in a forceful way without allowing their input to permeate your own consciousness. And then getting angry and rude when you find disagreement.

As for Zaxon. I was baiting his ego and it worked.

To me, baiting the ego is an STS practice in itself, and, by using such tactics, we give in to power from the dark and leave ourselves open to negative manipulation. This is precisely why it's futile to hate or fear the dark. I wouldn't play games with STS types... as almost certainly they are also playing a game. I prefer to love and accept them while rejecting their service.

I have no reason to fear or hate polarity. It has its purpose as being polarity and revealing its own aspect of such polarity.

What I do is shine Light on that aspect so that all may be able to make the distinction. That is my aspect of the poalrity. What is to fear or hate in the One Consciousness?

Very well said. There may be some distance between your understanding and your implementation of this concept... though that's a pretty common issue. I know I certainly do it often enough

However we have choices. We have direction and we have purpose.

If one thinks that daring into the darkness to experience it is necessary than that choice has consequences that can be detrimental depending on the depth that one enters into it.

Some here seem to deny that danger because of how they interpret the Ra material. And so you are aware, I am not the only one here in this community who thinks this way.

I would hope we all don't think homogenously!! But I wager that you/we have the most to learn from those who disagree with us.

As for my discussion with Ankh I was not deliberately creating an argument, I was responding to what was said in another thread which was relative to this one at that point.

I guess there's not much else for us to say here in this thread. And having pondered it further, I think you're right that I'm pulling this off-topic. I actually don't think that Ra is the Orion group at all nor that the Material says as much, but you'd never guess that from reading my posts here. Sorry, mods -- feel free to move as needed.

You know, despite what I see as some rudeness in your replies on some threads where people disagree with you, I can't help it -- I like you.

I do feel your genuine positive intent. Your delivery could use a bit of refinement, but I could say the same about myself. Yes, I feel you have much to learn here... but then, so do I. Mirrors indeed.

I think you would be wise to heed some of the advice I've given you in this thread, but ultimately whatever you choose, it will be perfect. I may even be learning lessons from you now that I am not consciously aware of.

I just want to thank you for taking the time to discuss this stuff with me and address my concerns.

I don't agree with you on several points. And that's just fine - -we're just a couple of fools chatting as we walk this amazing Journey of Being. I find though, that you're a good person to share this small patch of the Path with. Thanks for being You.

Namaste, Shin'Ar



Love to all,

[Lulu]

I would have to depolarize from my comfort zone to respond to these questions. ;-)

[tamaryn]

The entity, Ra, had its 'shadow' to work with in its native density, the time-space from where they contacted the group.

They had their own distortion to face, individually and as a group consciousness. These are the residual 'ripples' in all dimensions that hear the call to spiritual polarity.

The choice!

That being said, I think Ra, was and still is in time/space working on facing its true shadow antagonistic entities.

They are one with us, and ultimately, they are us, the one listener, the one seer

[AnthroHeart]

I don't think I'd even begin to understand Ra's shadow.

[Minyatur]

I don't think I'd even begin to understand Ra's shadow.

Pretty much anything they can reject in the actions done by the Orion Group.

[Turtle]

Questioner: Then I am assuming all of the groups getting telepathic contact from the Confederation are high-priority targets for the Orion crusaders, and I would assume that a large percentage of them are having their messages polluted by the Orion group. Can you tell me what percentage of them had their information polluted by the Orion group and if any of them were able to remain purely a Confederation channel?

Ra: I am Ra. To give you this information would be to infringe upon the free will or confusion of some living. We can only ask each group to consider the relative effect of philosophy and your so-called specific information. It is not the specificity of the information which attracts negative influences. It is the importance placed upon it.

This is why we iterate quite often, when asked for specific information, that it pales to insignificance, just as the grass withers and dies while the love and the light of the One Infinite Creator redounds to the very infinite realms of creation forever and ever, creating and creating itself in perpetuity.

Why then be concerned with the grass that blooms, withers and dies in its season only to grow once again due to the infinite love and light of the One Creator? This is the message we bring. Each entity is only superficially that which blooms and dies. In the deeper sense there is no end to being-ness.

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Based on my Personal experiences, the Confederation (and more than one) IS the Orion group.  I am interested if any one knows of any additional info that goes into depth.

Again I'm quite "confused" on this idea that telling about this infringes upon FREE WILL.  Thats like saying lets not tattle on the creepy molester next door, it would infringe upon the childs free will, as it's being molested!  Seriously!  I feel the ending here was a rather flowery in what feels like distraction and some round about dark truth.  Seems to me that Ra and company, is part of the Orion group.  Does the entity admit that anywhere that anyone knows?  I'm not yet up to speed on Ra teachings yet, apologies for any disturbances that I'm causing.

thanks in advance,
Lulu

Yes I can see that you are confused.

Revealing information to someone who is not truly ready to digest it, can definitely do more harm than good. It is tactics. Just because someone refrains from saying something, does not mean that they have negative or devious intentions towards another.

If all is one and there is no separation, then of course Ra and The Confederation ARE Orion groups or whatever. On an ultimate level, I am you, you are me, etc etc etc....BUT...the POINT here is that ***when someone places way too much importance on something, they create such a drama filled web of definition of the thing which is prime real estate for negative entities to come in and do their dirty work of corrupting and poisoning one's mind and spirit, with the end goal being death of the physical vehicle. Why? Well simply because that's what negative beings DESIRE to do.

You give them "an in" by making things too dramatic within your mind. This is a state of being, a FEELING problem...not a logical one. Let me use a real world practical example to illustrate my point...from personal experience mind you...

I am walking down the street late at night, and see someone approaching me from the front. I instantly read their energy and body language and sense that they are in a confrontational vibe. I IMMEDIATELY let go of ANY and ALL vibes/emotions within me that could be described as fearful/confrontational/adversarial. I continue walking forward, getting closer to this person, and now sense that my vibe, my personal bubble, is so well tuned and feels only like peace and subtle bliss, that as I come closer to this individual, I can sense that they feel put off and unsteady, and then they simply leave me alone, REGARDLESS of their original thoughts or intents towards me.

It's a two way street. You have to own your vibe, your state of being, and ESPECIALLY in this day and age with 4th density energy being so much more usable now then it ever has been, it is CRITICAL that one master's themselves, lest they have an incredibly dramatic/negative experience of their reality...remember...all being one, you being all other beings, this understanding can and should be at the forefront of all of your day to day affairs with other beings. You and everyone else on this board is to some degree, more aware and sensitive to all this stuff than others who still live very unconsciously. 

Own your state of being. (((By the way, I only read original post, and nothing else.)))

[tamaryn]

Yes, the only attraction here is karma, and the accumulation of karma on the wheel.

Did Ra attract Karma to embody this text the LOO? Maybe they felt too guilty in time/space