Fear

[Focus123]

When did Fear first show up in the process of Creation. What purpose does it serve?

[Brittany]

Geez, that's a big one. Unfortunately, I don't remember the beginning of Creation at this moment, so I can't say when exactly it showed up. In general, it seems to stem from a second density mindset. Fear is a survival mechanism. It's the reason why you wouldn't jump into a pool of hungry sharks or walk into traffic. You would fear dying. It combines with experience to teach us lessons. If you put your hand on a hot stove burner and burn yourself, in the future you will refrain from doing that out of fear of being burned.

The problem, I think, is when we get into higher densities. In 3D we're dealing more with moral and ethical issues than survival issues, seeing how our technology has allowed us to lead, in general, safe and comfortable lives. But the same instincts carry over, to where we are afraid of other people's beliefs, actions and modes of expression the same way we would be scared of a pool of hungry sharks. We are still programmed to see unusual things as a threat, and still feel that they somehow impact our survival.

I think that is one of the big lessons of 3D. Once you begin to gain spiritual mass, you focus less on fear and more on love, as you realize there is nothing left to fear. Once the eternal nature of the soul is realized, the fear of death is obsolete. Of course, the negatives seem to put all of their focus on fear, which is why they rely only on themselves and not others. They don't trust anyone. I suppose in that sense fear is a means of negative polarization.

Eh...that's just scratching the surface, I'm sure, and I could just be spouting off a bunch of bollocks. There's some vague attempt at my opinion on the matter, anyway.

[Focus123]

So can fear be totally over come in this density?

[zenmaster]

When did Fear first show up in the process of Creation. What purpose does it serve?

The purpose of fear is to artificially create more distance or separation between the seat of consciousness (ego) and some mental concept. Great explanation here:
http://www.livereal.com/psychology_arena...amurti.htm

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Of course, the negatives seem to put all of their focus on fear, which is why they rely only on themselves and not others. They don't trust anyone. I suppose in that sense fear is a means of negative polarization

Negatives rely on fear as a domination tool. Knowledge is power. If they can encourage fear around an idea, then there is more potential for misunderstanding and confusion, thus more potential for manipulation or control. They of course, do not focus on fear themselves, otherwise they would not understand or polarize.

Being self-reliant has nothing to do with negativity, of course.

[Focus123]

If I am not in communion with the fact, then there is fear, and there is no communion with the fact so long as I have an idea, an opinion, a theory, about the fact, so I have to be very clear whether I am afraid of the word, the idea or of the fact. If I am face to face with the fact, there is nothing to understand about it: the fact is there, and I can deal with it. If I am afraid of the word, then I must understand the word, go into the whole process of what the word, the term, implies.

If this is correct it seems fear appeared at first separation from the Creator and that it would continue through all densities in lessing degrees till final communion ?

[Namaste]

From my understanding of the Ra Material, fear is a product of the combination of free will and the third density veil.

It's purpose is to offer both the totality of experience, and catalyst for growth.

[Focus123]

Is there fear before the veil?

[kycahi]

I picked up somewhere (probably from Reiki instruction) that the three most destructive emotions are fear, anger and resentment. Nevertheless, being in the 3D makes anyone susceptible to being frightened of something, whether it's an unexpected loud noise or an other-self pointing a gun. That, IMHO, is okay. An unproductive example of fear is constantly dreading an earthquake or some other catastrophe.

Another word for that, I suppose, is worry. If you worry about anything, crack open the LOO for another read-through.

If you are confronted by a person pointing a gun, you don't want to be paralyzed with fear; you want to go into heightened awareness of the wielder's mental state etc. Personally, I expect that the closer I get to enlightenment, the less likely I would get into that kind of situation. Hence, freedom from fear.

Anger is the same way. If somebody punches you in the stomach, you likely would flash some anger ("WTF?") as you learn what that person was thinking and determine how you can make the correction. OTOH, constantly being angry at Bush or Obama, for examples, would be silly and self-destructive. Forgive that person and yourself, include the other-self in positive thoughts and move to your next higher plane where you know that "they are me and I am s/he and we are all together."

I presume that on this site discussion of resentment is not even necessary.

[Whitefeather]

When did Fear first show up in the process of Creation. What purpose does it serve?

Duality! Fear was created as the negative pole of the duality. The purpose is Light.

Fear is for creating duality, you know as a battery, when there is two poles, one negative and one positive and it makes Light!

That's all, Folks!
L/L
Whitefeather

[Focus123]

Fear was created as the negative pole of the duality.

Created by who? The Logos? The Creator? Before the veil? If before the veil, how could there be fear if everything is seen as one? When does duality start below 7th density?

[BlatzAdict]

i think fear is created out of light but more specifically.. our planet logos planned it for catalyst

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know that the creator is in all. and each new sub logos is farther and farther away from the central logos.
that fear perhaps results in the distance from the central logos. and it's connection to the galactic center.


ahhh it would be easier to illustrate with a star chart

[Whitefeather]

Fear was created as the negative pole of the duality.

Created by who? The Logos? The Creator? Before the veil? If before the veil, how could there be fear if everything is seen as one? When does duality start below 7th density?

YOU create the fear (as a co-creator).
'Before the veil' is only a narrow and 'dark' point of view. There is no 'before the veil' per se. It is rather that YOU are behind the veil at this point of your experience.

If you are surprised by my answers it may be because your questions show some confusion. It is ok to be confused and I say this with respect.

If you start meditating upon the questions you are asking and maybe upon my answers, you most certainly will step by step eliminate beliefs which at the moment are obscuring your perspective.

All this I am saying to you respectfully. I repeat this because the written word does not show the tone of voice. My tone is gentle and helpful when writing to you now.

Be well, Friend, in Love and Light

Whitefeather

[zenmaster]

Fear is not really the negative pole of a duality. This is because fear itself is not an archetypal concept. Fear is an ego-customized, unconscious reaction or sensitivity to being in a certain proximity to non-integrated (one's unconscious, since a person is 'all things'), threatening information (i.e. intelligent energy).

One can think of several so-called 'opposites' to 'fear':

1) 'Love' - because where there is love or 'logos', there is acceptance or ownership.
'Fear' has an opposite in the form of 'love'. Ultimately it is not possible to have fear if there is acceptance. However, here it is typically not possible to immediately understand and to accept something that causes fear. Some kind of investigative work is needed first to bring light to the foreign concept that invoked the fear. (i.e. consciousness = light, unconscious = dark)

2) 'Hope' - because hope is desiring or cherishing
'Fear' has an opposite in the form of 'hope'. It's actually not possible to learn with either of those unconscious energies present. If, however, one can replace fear or hope with curiosity, then the learning will eventually allow ownership or integration of the hope-filled or fear-filled concept.

3) 'Courage' - because it implies an effective resistance to fear
This is a type of willed response to fear that may suspend the unconscious reaction, allowing the ego to learn or to perform some other fear-stifling task. I think courage is an act of offering a perspective which basically temporarily displaces fear's emotional charge. Of course, the fear will continue, again and again requiring 'courage' unless and until the object of the fear finds a place in understanding - to put it on our world-view 'map'.

4) 'Knowledge' - because fear is of the unconscious
It could be said that fear is simply lack of knowledge, since knowledge allows one to integrate a previously misunderstood and therefore potentially threatening concept in an acceptable manner.

[spero]

Like everything else in creation, fear exists in potentiation and when conditions are right, fear will pop into existence. Before the veil or complexation of the mind/body/spirit, fear and love were both possible in 3D but were not as deeply felt due to the overwhelming connection people felt with the creator. Their catalytic value to polarization dramatically increased with the introduction of the veil.

82.22
Ra: I am Ra. Consider, if you will, the tendency of those who are divinely happy, as you call this distortion, to have little urge to alter or better their condition. Such is the result of the mind/body/spirit which is not complex. There is the possibility of love of other-selves and service to other-selves, but there is the overwhelming awareness of the Creator in the self. The connection with the Creator is that of the umbilical cord. The security is total. Therefore, no love is terribly important; no pain terribly frightening; no effort, therefore, is made to serve for love or to benefit from fear.

[Focus123]

So it seems before the veil fear was not realized because everything could be seem as one. After the veil it was used as catalyst. So now here we are in 3D going into 4D. When the veil is lifted, in 4D, does this eliminate fear?

[Namaste]

Fear is an ego-customized, unconscious reaction or sensitivity to being in a certain proximity to non-integrated (one's unconscious, since a person is 'all things'), threatening information (i.e. intelligent energy).

Very well put.

One can think of several so-called 'opposites' to 'fear':

1) 'Love'
2) 'Hope'
3) 'Courage'
4) 'Knowledge'

I believe that hope, courage, trust, compassion, trust, acceptance; all positively polarised thoughts/deeds stem from the base of love.

Just as hate, jealousy, anger, intolerance etc., all stem from fear.

And hence, love and fear are the encapsulating opposites of emotions/being.

So it seems before the veil fear was not realized because everything could be seem as one. After the veil it was used as catalyst. So now here we are in 3D going into 4D. When the veil is lifted, in 4D, does this eliminate fear?

I believe so. How can one fear when they realise, at the deepest levels of being (true wisdom), that they are the unity of God :¬)

[Focus123]

I believe so. How can one fear when they realise, at the deepest levels of being (true wisdom), that they are the unity of God :¬)

Ok, so this would be for the negative side too? And than that brings up this question. What is used as catalyst after the veil is lifted-what keeps us going toward the Creator?

[Namaste]

I believe so. How can one fear when they realise, at the deepest levels of being (true wisdom), that they are the unity of God :¬)

Ok, so this would be for the negative side too? And than that brings up this question. What is used as catalyst after the veil is lifted-what keeps us going toward the Creator?

3D is the density of choice; we choose the positive path through love (STO/unity), and the negative through fear (STS/separateness).

The veil is lifted once this decision is made, and the entity has been harvested for graduation. With this new wisdom/connection, STO entities are drawn to both the service of others and discovering of the Self (getting closer to the Creator/God/Source/All That Is). It's the driving force (upward spiralling of light) within Creation; it's native to the experience.

The same applies to STS, although that wisdom is used for personal gain and power (control over others). I am not qualified, in terms of wisdom, to comment on the existence of fear in 4D-, but I would estimate that it is the framework upon which all other 4D- experiences are made (anger, jealousy, hate etc).

[zenmaster]

I believe that hope, courage, trust, compassion, trust, acceptance; all positively polarised thoughts/deeds stem from the base of love.

Just as hate, jealousy, anger, intolerance etc., all stem from fear.

Ra basically equates 'love' with 'logos'. So primarily love is that which provides for any manifestation (light). Our personal understanding distortions (we as sub-logos) then automatically focus this love for experience. For example, the experience of the unconscious reaction of fear. So 'fear' literally stems from 'love'.

And hence, love and fear are the encapsulating opposites of emotions/being.

Love as an emotion is not the same as love the principle. When you have an emotion, you have an unconscious reaction - incomplete information that suggests an attitude for the ego. If you reduce love to an emotion, then you have an accepting attitude, but one which is still subject to the unconscious. The mind creating that loving emotion is one that, while positive, is still volatile and will actively separate due to imbalance.

'Being' is a state of completeness. It exists on a more primary ontological level than the ephemeral emotions or any motivating catalyst.

'Love' exists regardless of some personal reaction to what it allows. Therefore if one explains that 'love' is the 'opposite' of fear, then that 'love' must be in the form of another unconscious reaction - 'apples to apples'.

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When the veil is lifted, in 4D, does this eliminate fear?

I'm going to say 'no'. That is, it won't be eliminated any more than surprise or, say, irony would be eliminated. But the causes or opportunity and form of the fear would change to suit the much broader experience and awareness of one's nature. My guess is that given that 4D context, it would certainly not be the compelling emotion we have here in 3D - if only because with that much consciousness, there is less potential for misunderstanding, attachment, or identification and therefore the ego would have much, much less to lose.

[Focus123]

I'm going to say 'no'. That is, it won't be eliminated any more than surprise or, say, irony would be eliminated. But the causes or opportunity and form of the fear would change to suit the much broader experience and awareness of one's nature. My guess is that given that 4D context, it would certainly not be the compelling emotion we have here in 3D - if only because with that much consciousness, there is less potential for misunderstanding, attachment, or identification and therefore the ego would have much, much less to lose.

So it is still a catalyst for both positive and negative paths?

[Namaste]

Ra basically equates 'love' with 'logos'. So primarily love is that which provides for any manifestation (light). Our personal understanding distortions (we as sub-logos) then automatically focus this love for experience. For example, the experience of the unconscious reaction of fear. So 'fear' literally stems from 'love'.

I agree brother (with many of your points), and often offer the notion that fear is a construct within the framework of love/light. I also agree that the love/light of Creation is different to the positive and negative paths.

I do maintain, in my personal understanding, that in this density of choice, the choice is either love (STO) or fear (STS) in the form of the 3rd density human emotional system, in either their purest or distorted (courage or cowardliness for example) forms.

[zenmaster]

I'm going to say 'no'. That is, it won't be eliminated any more than surprise or, say, irony would be eliminated. But the causes or opportunity and form of the fear would change to suit the much broader experience and awareness of one's nature. My guess is that given that 4D context, it would certainly not be the compelling emotion we have here in 3D - if only because with that much consciousness, there is less potential for misunderstanding, attachment, or identification and therefore the ego would have much, much less to lose.

So it is still a catalyst for both positive and negative paths?

Apparently, the overriding motivating 'theme' of 4D is 'love' or 'understanding'. Catalyst is anything that may draw attention to the disparity between unconsciousness (a nonaccepting attitude) and consciousness (acceptance).

Fear is an unconscious reaction to information. It is a reaction not only from the standpoint of misunderstanding, but having resistance to understanding the information. So to experience fear one would first need an unconscious positioning and second, within that unconscious positioning, an actual investment in separation.

With a certain degree of understanding present, even unknown information is given some context of acceptance which would render it non threatening. So I'd say the catalyst of fear is still there in potential, but reduced - just as it is greatly reduced here in the 7th subdensity and reduced further continuing on with the '2nd tier' valuing systems explained in Spiral Dynamics, for example. At some point there would simply be no opportunity for fear.

[Namaste]

Fear is an unconscious reaction to information. It is a reaction not only from the standpoint of misunderstanding, but having resistance to understanding the information. So to experience fear one would first need an unconscious positioning and second, within that unconscious positioning, an actual investment in separation.

A fantastic description/perspective of fear, brother.

[Focus123]

So to experience fear one would first need an unconscious positioning and second, within that unconscious positioning, an actual investment in separation.

So would this not apply than to each density- since we are unconscious of the density to come and we are separated from the whole- till 7th density?

[zenmaster]

So to experience fear one would first need an unconscious positioning and second, within that unconscious positioning, an actual investment in separation.

So would this not apply than to each density- since we are unconscious of the density to come and we are separated from the whole- till 7th density?

There are different types of fear. One of the primary types of the fear we experience is 'fear of loss'. Ironically, you can only lose what you don't actually have. That is the nature of psychological identification here - to create ego attachment. So using the process of identification, we tend to replace something real (a part of the logos) with a misunderstanding, a lie, a transitory, insufficient or incomplete idea.

Identification is also the underlying process behind projection. We project our incompleteness onto others that we unconsciously perceive exhibit our incompleteness or desired completeness. A 'failed projection' is the basis for anger (as Namaste pointed out earlier, anger stems from fear).

As 4D-life progresses, it seems that there would be more and more actual personality development or identity solidification so less opportunity for fear of loss (of self). I'd guess that fear would basically end when 4D ends, with the culmination of 'understanding', because there would be no investment opportunity in fear motivating separation with understanding.

[Whitefeather]

I believe so. How can one fear when they realise, at the deepest levels of being (true wisdom), that they are the unity of God :¬)

Ok, so this would be for the negative side too? And than that brings up this question. What is used as catalyst after the veil is lifted-what keeps us going toward the Creator?

You may be interested by the material quoted below from Ra; it is about catalyst in the upper densities. Fear seems to be absent as a catalyst in 4D, which makes sense since fear comes as a consequence of the veil in 3D. The function of the veil is to trigger choice as a response between fear and separation on one hand or love and understanding on the other hand. Facing the unknown, whether you choose to fear it, whether you choose to love and understand it.

48.5 Questioner: ... Can you tell me how positive and negative polarizations in fourth and fifth density are used to cause working in consciousness?

Ra: I am Ra. There is very little work in consciousness in fourth and in fifth densities compared to the work done in third density. The work that is accomplished in positive fourth is that work whereby the positive social memory complex, having, through slow stages, harmoniously integrated itself, goes forth to aid those of less positive orientation which seek their aid. Thus their service is their work and through this dynamic between the societal self and the other-self, which is the object of love, greater and greater intensities of understanding or compassion are attained. This intensity continues until the appropriate intensity of the light may be welcomed. This is fourth-density harvest.

Within fourth-density positive there are minor amounts of catalyst of a spiritual and mental complex distortion. This occurs during the process of harmonizing to the extent of forming the social memory complex. This causes some small catalyst and work to occur, but the great work of fourth density lies in the contact betwixt the societal self and less polarized other-self.

In fourth-density negative much work is accomplished during the fighting for position which precedes the period of the social memory complex. There are opportunities to polarize negatively by control of other-selves. During the social memory complex period of fourth-density negative the situation is the same. The work takes place through the societal reaching out to less polarized otherself in order to aid in negative polarization.

In fifth-density positive and negative the concept of work done through a potential difference is not particularly helpful as fifth-density entities are, again, intensifying rather than potentiating.

In positive, the fifth-density complex uses sixth-density teach/learners to study the more illuminated understandings of unity thus becoming more and more wise. Fifth-density positive social memory complexes will choose to divide their service to others in two ways: first, the beaming of light to creation; second, the sending of groups to be of aid as instruments of light such as those whom you are familiar with through channels.

In fifth-density negative, service to self has become extremely intense and the self has shrunk or compacted so that the dialogues with the teach/learners are used exclusively in order to intensify wisdom.

@Focus 123: Ra's quote also answers you last question.

Love and Light
Whitefeather