Depression and Anxiety

[@ndy]

I live with someone who sufferers painfully from this along with crippling self-doubt. I'd like some advice

Over the years I have tried many things to 'help' from getting him into hospital at his worst during a breakdown.
To nothing at all, but just being there as he goes through it.
I can see now that in the past I have at times let him rely on me to much, but since I have had children to care for too and have become more awake I realise this is not helping him.

As a person, he's highly sensitive and very creative, as a child of 8 his teacher told his mum she'd never met an infant with such a highly developed sense of morality.
He sees threw bulls*ht easily, and is very intelligent.
Has always stood up for what he believes in and feels totally lost here much of the time. (He's much more of a typical wanderer than me -I feel I've been kicking about here forever and have deep connection and love of this place we call earth)

He’s tried all kinds of things to help himself from CBT to more philosophical/ spiritual stuff.
He lives a life he likes, doing a job of his choosing.

When I talk with him and he asks for my help/opinion - what I share with him seems to help... yet he doesn’t follow up info I pass to him to read.
He lacks the ability to stop the dark thoughts, or even control his thoughts in the way that seems normal to me.

Ways I’ve tried to help include getting him to observe his though processes, love and care for himself more, explore his thoughts emotions in depth or express threw art or transform them.
The Dr’s offer medication which he came off a few years ago, or CBT which is of limited use to him.

He’s been like this since he was a teenager; I met him when he was in his 30’s.



Ok this is where I'm after advice.
Of late he’s told me he feels like there’s a dark force attacking him as he's a light and they want to put him out.
He sounds to me that he's describing psychic attacks. He feels like 'God' has abandoned him.

Other than what I have read in the LOO and here I'm in unfamiliar territory with this. When I have experienced what may or may not have been an attack, I just centre myself and move from fear to love quite quickly.

He almost feels bi-polar moving from crippling fear, self-doubt and darkness - to brief spells of happiness and normality.

I'd be really grateful if anyone has any thoughts to share on this, or ideas that I could offer him when he looks for advice.

[Meerie]

@ndy, I feel for you.... it is hard to see someone close to you suffer.
Has he ever tried homeopathic remedies? I know that they can be very helpful in psychological conditions. (St Johns Wort is a lightbringer, also Phosphorus for example... it depends on the individual what will work best)
I could recommend you someone here, unfortunately I do not have any recommendations for qualified homeopaths in the UK
I wish you both all the best

[fairyfarmgirl]

@ndy--

The best you can do since he is still resistent to standing firm in his own power as a luminous man is to support him. I would encourage you to clear the house you reside in and the land around it. There are many ways to do this. I prefer the way in which fairyfarmgirl has taught me... others follow the dictates of Ra with good results. The important thing when clearing is to clean on all levels: physical, mental, emotional, etheric. And as with all things it is the maintenance of the clearing energy. Truly, the healing and integration for you beloved is in the hands of your beloved. The old phrase of "you can lead a horse to water but you can not make them drink" comes to mind.

At this time in history, lightbearers are acting as surrogate as well. We are leading by example and showing the way by the way in which we live and interact with the world. This TRUTH uses the powerful Universal Laws of Forgiveness and Acceptance.

Peace Pilgrim, Peace Pilgrim demonstrated the power of these two laws during the 25 years she wandered demonstrating the principles of Peace and Peace Making. I highly recommend ordering the book (it is FREE) and reading it. Each time I read my copy I develop a deeper understanding of what it means to truly accept and Love and Forgive mySelf and others. This by the very nature of the Law of Attraction simply transforms the world around me.

I Bless you with Love. I too have held the Light for others and watched them choose suffering. The principles of H'oponopono state that when you see suffering forgive yourSelf and Love others and in doing so the suffering is transformed. Dr. Hew Len is someone who comes to mind as well.

--fairyfarmgirl

[JoshC]

From what you described it sounds like your friend has what I have, which is unipolar depression, more commonly called depression. Bipolar is when the person who's affected by the condition has manic phases too, on the other end of the spectrum from depression. To-do lists get finished, they're invincible and on top of the world, more talkative, etc. Being happy and normal is what I do when I'm not depressed, like right now .

What readings have you given him to read? It could be a case of "I read about it; now I think it's happening to me." When I first started getting my depressive bouts I thought it was psychic attack too, though now I don't ascribe the feelings to supernatural forces - rather to my own feelings thoughts emotions brainwork etc...

I've chosen to do some training myself on how to control my thoughts because I used to be in a similar position to what the person you're describing is in. Before I could control my thoughts my depressive bouts were hell - spiraling misery, hopelessness, isolativeness, anger that had no cause, feeling like crying (though I was too ashamed to let myself cry). I think that the combination of me getting on antidepressants, something you might consider suggesting to him, and making consistent, good, hard effort to control my thoughts has improved my life tonnnns!

As for how to do it, try to get across the ideas that he doesn't have to think anything and that he can think anything he wants (this is advice I would give myself if I were to go back in time... it may not be completely appropriate for your friend, but it's certainly adaptable). During my slumps the negative thoughts seem very very important and like they should be addressed, but I always try to keep in mind that I don't have to think those thoughts. The thoughts I tell myself when I'm thinking things I don't want to think, even if I'm not in a slump and simply being a little negative, are, "I don't have to think these thoughts," "I can think about this later when I'm feeling better if it's really that important," "Don't try not to think about it, think about something else," "Think happy thoughts/Go to a happy place" (as cliche as it is hahaha), "NO! I don't want to think this way any more, I choose to think (whatever I/he chooses to think)."

As for the dark force that's attacking him, here are some things I used to do that are LOO-friendly:

• Greet the entity back - say, "I greet you in the Love and Light of the Infinite Creator and if you aren't here to serve my highest and best good I order you to leave."
  
• Meditate and imagine/visualize yourself (himself) surrounded by white loving light.
  
• Meditate and imagine/visualize golden light floating above the crown chakra. When one inhales, it flows down through the crown chakra, through the pineal, through the throat chakra, to the heart chakra and emanates through the entire chi system and body, finally being released from every pore in the body upon the exhale. Rinse lather repeat
  
• Pray
  
• Ask for assistance from one's higher self / guardian angels / other trusted entities
  

More of I think of it later! Good luck to you and your friend, ye be loved by thy creator

:idea:

[Ankh]

There are allways millions of reasons to why one should not feel fine at the end of the day, or during the day for that matter. It does not work for me to shut down, suppress or ignore the negativity. I need to acknowledge whatever that comes up, but after that one need to ask the question - does this working for me right now? If I have self doubt I might find million of reasons for feeling and believing that it is so. Don't walk that road. Just stop there. You have self doubt. Stop. Acknowledge it. Stop. Find antithesis to self doubt. Stop. That is self confidence. These are two mighty forces. Balance them by asking what is beneficial for you right now and what is not, if you want it. Then walk your own path with humble relationsship to the self containing love and respect for the self just the way it is. I don't find it beneficial either to seek whether this negativity comes from attacks by others or the self. The energy put into this might be needed elsewhere, thus it is better to say that the negativity comes from Creator.

[@ndy]

Thanks all.
Pretty much what I'd been telling him, it seems.

Josh he's never seen anything on psychic attacks to my knowledge - he just feels like there’s 'stuff' out to get him I guess.
When he mentioned it to me it seems more like his ego was beating him up.

Merrie, he's tired St Johswort in the past, not sure about Homeopathy.

I think it's like FFG says, he's just not in a place ready to help himself yet.
Clearing sounds like a good idea too, it's probably long overdue here

[Meerie]

You wrote that he does not follow up information, or is not in a place ready to help himself.. why do you think that is so?
Has he gotten used to his condition and given up hope, like thinking "well all of this won't help anyway"?
just curious...

[@ndy]

Meerie.

As I see it.

His depression comes from fear, the fear seems to come from his thoughts and things he imagines. The thoughts possibly come from his lack of self-confidence.

He feels he doesn’t deserve to be happy, so is constantly in fear of getting a fatal illness, or the children dyeing - he's lived with these negative thoughts so long they are very real to him and he's just 'waiting' for something to happen.
I've explored them with him, and it doesn’t seem to be death he fears - but that he's not 'finished' here yet. He fears the death of the children as he'd not be able to deal with it.

I've seen him wake up and instantly go into such a state of fear it can make him retch and shake.

When he stops worrying about one thing he rapidly replaces it with another fear.
He looks to others to rationalise his thinking as once in this state he seems unable to ‘talk sense’ to himself.

[kycahi]

I was depressive all or most of my life, but didn't know it. More than women, men may have exhaustion as the main symptom instead of the "woe is me" and "so sad I could cry" type. I had blood tested for thyroid and overnight tested for sleep apnea, but those weren't it.

While I don't discount past life or childhood trauma, and certainly not being a Wandering "brother / sister of sorrow," depressive disorder is a physical imbalance in brain chemicals, of which are three main ones: serotonin, nor-epinephrine and dopamine. The most typical one to be low is serotonin, and today most sufferers use one of the many drugs called selective serotonin re-uptake inhibitors, SSRI. The first biggie in that category is Prozac, which became so popular that the drug companies brought out many more.

SSRIs make me worse, as did St. Johns Wort; so maybe that supplement is a natural one. I benefit from a dopamine enhancer called bupropion. Realize that depression meds are not happy pills. They can take weeks to notice improvement and stopping one should take weeks, too.

Years ago, when I moved into a four-bedroom house, I rented the other three rooms out to friends and, to be polite and set an example, I forewent the pleasure of playing my music on the big stereo. My disorder got worse and, looking back, I know that taking the music away was a factor. I got so bad I didn't have the energy to get through a day even when the previous night's sleep was long and deep. A conversation with my nurse sister pointed me to depression.

A new job forced me to find a new doctor and I signed on with Kaiser, the original HMO. After discussing my physical condition, when the new GP asked if there was anything else I mentioned the depressive disorder so he gave me the number of their Psych department. That led to my current regimen, which is a huge benefit though not perfect.

Besides music, exercise outside (not on a machine in a building) is very beneficial. Change is good, too, but then I have ADD. I favor a book by Dr. Daniel Amen called Healing ADD. In it I learned that of the six types of ADD, mine is Type 5, Limbic. His chapter on Type 5 was all about me--I was prototypical for it and could have been on the poster. It has a depressive component.

This is already too long, but I want to emphasize that the right medicine will do wonders. After getting one that works for him, your friend can choose to stay with it or, after getting his life into order, try to go without. At least he will see the difference and know how being mentally well feels.

I expect he can tame the fear, also. I didn't have that issue, though I know that my training in Aikido was a life changer.

@ndy, I applaud the support you give your friend, and your recognition that he needs it from other than you (very blue-ish). He may want nothing to do with any therapy but, if you state that even he should recognize that he needs fixing he might get going toward something. Anything is better than nothing.

[turtledude23]

Maybe EFT could help http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emotional_F..._Technique

[Derek]

Hi there, I highly reccomend that he consider changing his diet.
Diet is absolutley essential for every aspect of your mind and
emotions. This is greatly underestimated in modern medicine.
It is the most important thing he can be focusing on by far.
Since Ive switched my diet my whole experince has changed in ways
I never thought possible. I never thought I could feel this good.
It's way beyond what most people would understand.

There is a great book about this that I highly reccomend

http://www.amazon.com/Depression-free-Li...0060959657

I also HIGHLY reccomend he look into the following things:

RAW Cacao

Conatains positive neurotransmitters

The highest food in world in magnesium (18 times more than any other
food!!!!) One of the highest in iron and chromium, those three minerals
are the most important for mental health and the most defienct in the
SAD (standard american diet)

Conatins nervous system supporting oils that are so chemically complex
that they can't be reproduced in a laboratory)

And so much more

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x53bba_...lat_webcam

This is a good brand, Don't get anything form navitas naturals brand

http://www.naturalzing.com/catalog/produ...ba2df1faf6


High quality krill oil supplement (Omega 3s are essential for deppresion
and krill oil is the best form)

Best brand

http://krilloil.mercola.com/krill-oil.html




Ormus (highly reccomended for him, this stuff works)

http://www.naturalnews.com/022705.html

http://www.subtleenergies.com/ormus/ormus/ormus.htm


It is important that you get a good brand or it might not work

These are three good brands Ive found so far

www.bluewateralchemy.com

www.ascendedhealth.com

www.motherearthalchemy.com




A complete protien superfood like hempseed, spirulina etc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6Q84l85vsA



Cleanse (heavy metals, parasites, viruses etc are MAJOR causes of mood
problems, I reccomend NCD zeolite, and fulvic acid possibly with a
colonic and as much flush niacin as he can hanlde, usually about 200
mg at first)


Pure water!!!!! (preferably spring water, but distilled and reverse
osmosis water works well too, just make sure you remineralise them with
something or it will demineralise you, I like adya clarity for this.
This is essential if he does a cleanse)

http://www.naturalnews.com/podcasts/Inte...italis.mp3

http://www.naturalnews.com/podcasts/HRS19.mp3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWUV25WhYMk

To find a spring near you

www.findaspring.com

Skate fish oil to decalify the pineal gland (also contains alot of omega 3s)

www.greenpasture.org

Switching from animal products that have been filled with the worst fear, cruelty, hormones, steroids, chemicals etc, to no animal products, or to wild bison, wild caught low mercury fish and LOCAL free roaming, grass fed, beef, chicken, eggs, raw milk. Organic beef and chicken just means they gave the animal organic feed. There are very strict codes for bison though, so that is the best way to go for red meat unless it's local.
(Daniel Vitalis talks alot about all this)

Blessings
Derek

[Meerie]

His depression comes from fear, the fear seems to come from his thoughts and things he imagines. The thoughts possibly come from his lack of self-confidence.
He feels he doesn’t deserve to be happy, so is constantly in fear of getting a fatal illness, or the children dyeing - he's lived with these negative thoughts so long they are very real to him and he's just 'waiting' for something to happen.
I've explored them with him, and it doesn’t seem to be death he fears - but that he's not 'finished' here yet. He fears the death of the children as he'd not be able to deal with it.
I've seen him wake up and instantly go into such a state of fear it can make him retch and shake.
When he stops worrying about one thing he rapidly replaces it with another fear.
He looks to others to rationalise his thinking as once in this state he seems unable to ‘talk sense’ to himself.

This is crass ! I think I'd go for a good holistic doctor - maybe traditional chinese medicine or as I said, a homeopath who specializes in psyche. TCM could be beneficial since they could determine and treat the physical origin of the symptoms (for example fear could indicate a kidney imbalance).
Good luck!

[@ndy]

Thanks Derek - I'll look through the things you mentioned. He's been veggy for over 30 years, and we get mainly organic stuff we grow ourselves or farmers market stuff so I don't think there’s too much he needs to change but some additional supplements could help.
I deal with wholefood wholesalers for my work so I can find stuff at trade cost.

Lee - Thanks He did used to take mirtazapine, it was fantastic for him. He was better than I'd ever known him during the time he took it, sleeping, eating and feeling better than he ever had. He cut his dose down to 1/3 of a tablet and was still ok with it but then decided to come off it as he didn't like having to take medication. I get the feeling he will again if very desperate.

Meerie, I'll look out for that. He did visit the homeopath/acupuncture person I saw for allergies but the Dr felt unable to offer him the help he would need.

[Meerie]

Andy, you got PM

[kycahi]

I can vouch for the positive effects of Omega-3 on mood. I should have mentioned it in my previous post.

I had to taper off the meds I was taking because something was causing tinnitus (ringing in ears), which my shrink said was a sign that the auditory nerve was threatened and could lead to vertigo. I went down, down to where I was weighing the decision whether to destroy my hearing or myself. I happened (thanks :exclamation:, Higher Self) to read an article about a specialist who used Omega-3 to fight depression, and headed to the store for flax seed oil (didn't want a fish product).

That stuff saved my life, though didn't fully replace the Rx meds. I resumed one in a smaller dose.

I read about mirtazapine on Wikipedia. It looks like a good fit for him and I'm glad he knows about it.

[Nabil Naser]

Anxiety and guilt
That’s the most we should fear
Yet without apprehension.
We would disappear.

So many beginnings
To go to start
Like warm smiles
Pleasing the heart.

There is the mind
Living everywhere
Within the soul
Loving but fair

Machines roar
Tigers in disguise
Little maps for
Our universe

World of probabilities
Illusion and realty
Truths and possibilities

Chance and choices
Within and without
As we curiously
Wander about

I live with someone who sufferers painfully from this along with crippling self-doubt. I'd like some advice

Over the years I have tried many things to 'help' from getting him into hospital at his worst during a breakdown.
To nothing at all, but just being there as he goes through it.
I can see now that in the past I have at times let him rely on me to much, but since I have had children to care for too and have become more awake I realise this is not helping him.

As a person, he's highly sensitive and very creative, as a child of 8 his teacher told his mum she'd never met an infant with such a highly developed sense of morality.
He sees threw bulls*ht easily, and is very intelligent.
Has always stood up for what he believes in and feels totally lost here much of the time. (He's much more of a typical wanderer than me -I feel I've been kicking about here forever and have deep connection and love of this place we call earth)

He’s tried all kinds of things to help himself from CBT to more philosophical/ spiritual stuff.
He lives a life he likes, doing a job of his choosing.

When I talk with him and he asks for my help/opinion - what I share with him seems to help... yet he doesn’t follow up info I pass to him to read.
He lacks the ability to stop the dark thoughts, or even control his thoughts in the way that seems normal to me.

Ways I’ve tried to help include getting him to observe his though processes, love and care for himself more, explore his thoughts emotions in depth or express threw art or transform them.
The Dr’s offer medication which he came off a few years ago, or CBT which is of limited use to him.

He’s been like this since he was a teenager; I met him when he was in his 30’s.



Ok this is where I'm after advice.
Of late he’s told me he feels like there’s a dark force attacking him as he's a light and they want to put him out.
He sounds to me that he's describing psychic attacks. He feels like 'God' has abandoned him.

Other than what I have read in the LOO and here I'm in unfamiliar territory with this. When I have experienced what may or may not have been an attack, I just centre myself and move from fear to love quite quickly.

He almost feels bi-polar moving from crippling fear, self-doubt and darkness - to brief spells of happiness and normality.

I'd be really grateful if anyone has any thoughts to share on this, or ideas that I could offer him when he looks for advice.

---

Anxiety and guilt
Guilt and anxiety
One is torture
Both monstrosity

Of having and not giving
Giving and not having
Loving and not being
Being and not loving


By association
Or self infliction
By choice
And by addiction

At home or work
Or in a nightmare
Anxiety and guilt
With you everywhere

I live with someone who sufferers painfully from this along with crippling self-doubt. I'd like some advice

Over the years I have tried many things to 'help' from getting him into hospital at his worst during a breakdown.
To nothing at all, but just being there as he goes through it.
I can see now that in the past I have at times let him rely on me to much, but since I have had children to care for too and have become more awake I realise this is not helping him.

As a person, he's highly sensitive and very creative, as a child of 8 his teacher told his mum she'd never met an infant with such a highly developed sense of morality.
He sees threw bulls*ht easily, and is very intelligent.
Has always stood up for what he believes in and feels totally lost here much of the time. (He's much more of a typical wanderer than me -I feel I've been kicking about here forever and have deep connection and love of this place we call earth)

He’s tried all kinds of things to help himself from CBT to more philosophical/ spiritual stuff.
He lives a life he likes, doing a job of his choosing.

When I talk with him and he asks for my help/opinion - what I share with him seems to help... yet he doesn’t follow up info I pass to him to read.
He lacks the ability to stop the dark thoughts, or even control his thoughts in the way that seems normal to me.

Ways I’ve tried to help include getting him to observe his though processes, love and care for himself more, explore his thoughts emotions in depth or express threw art or transform them.
The Dr’s offer medication which he came off a few years ago, or CBT which is of limited use to him.

He’s been like this since he was a teenager; I met him when he was in his 30’s.



Ok this is where I'm after advice.
Of late he’s told me he feels like there’s a dark force attacking him as he's a light and they want to put him out.
He sounds to me that he's describing psychic attacks. He feels like 'God' has abandoned him.

Other than what I have read in the LOO and here I'm in unfamiliar territory with this. When I have experienced what may or may not have been an attack, I just centre myself and move from fear to love quite quickly.

He almost feels bi-polar moving from crippling fear, self-doubt and darkness - to brief spells of happiness and normality.

I'd be really grateful if anyone has any thoughts to share on this, or ideas that I could offer him when he looks for advice.

[Derek]

Thanks Derek - I'll look through the things you mentioned. He's been veggy for over 30 years, and we get mainly organic stuff we grow ourselves or farmers market stuff so I don't think there’s too much he needs to change but some additional supplements could help.
I deal with wholefood wholesalers for my work so I can find stuff at trade cost.

Lee - Thanks He did used to take mirtazapine, it was fantastic for him. He was better than I'd ever known him during the time he took it, sleeping, eating and feeling better than he ever had. He cut his dose down to 1/3 of a tablet and was still ok with it but then decided to come off it as he didn't like having to take medication. I get the feeling he will again if very desperate.

Meerie, I'll look out for that. He did visit the homeopath/acupuncture person I saw for allergies but the Dr felt unable to offer him the help he would need.

Thats great, he is definetley on the right track then. Ive found those supplements and superfoods to be the most powerful and safe antidepressents around. It sounds to me like his problem is mostly chemical. It is possible that there is a deep underlying psychological issue related to it as well. I agree with Meerie, he should look into some holistic therapy. There are so many, NLP, EFT, hypnosis, reiki etc.

If he wants a veggie source for the omega 3s the best way to go would be lots of spirulina and marine phtoplankton as they are the only plant foods (marine phytoplankton is as vegan as taking probiotics) that contain EPA/DHA which the brain actually uses. Other plant foods contain ALA which is converted into EPA/DHA and not as effective. Krill oil is the best and cheapest of those three. High doses of vitiman d3 (5000 iu) and vitiman c (with cofactors) are great for deppression and anxiety as well.

I highly reccomend you look into candida, parasites, worms, heavy metal toxicity and detox. You will be amazed at how he feels after he does a cleanse. Ra even said this by saying that ridding the body of excess toxic material also cleans the mind (referring to fasting).

Also, just wanted to add that what helped me the most when I felt I was being attacked was buying a Qlink emf protection pendant. One of the foremost authorities on astral projection (forgot the name) also believe it protects from all negativity.

Blessings

[yossarian]

I actually think, as his friend, one of the best things you could do for him is to have a regular, periodic, sacred time of the week when you guys get together. At these times I would encourage you to focus on his life, thoughts, and problems, rather than your own and rather than any transient matters. Just get him talking, ask questions, have some empathy and show some caring.

Depressed people will often blow off appointments they've made because they just don't feel up to it. But if you insist and force him to get into a regular routine with you I think this can be incredibly stabilizing for a depressed person and give them a foundation from which to build.

All of the advice in this thread is great - but it is predicated on your friend taking action. It's so hard for depressed people to take action!

As his friend, you have something very unique to offer him that books, nutrition, doctors, techniques cannot offer. You can offer him regular, stable, quiet listening time, empathy, caring, in both his up times and his downs. From this foundation you can slowly introduce the stuff people have brought up in this thread when he's ready for them. But the foundation is not just friendship but a regular schedule of meeting and focusing on his issues (rather than focusing on some common interest or focusing on you, for instance)

If he combined these regular weekly meetings with you, with regular weekly meetings with a psychologist, he would have a great healing support network that is needed to solve depression. Step 1 is just getting him to a place where action can be taken. Step 2 is trying out techniques such as nutrition, therapies, spiritual techniques and so on.

[norral]

ndy
i would check out the bach flower essences. they have several that deal with depression and feelings of hopelessness. i would tell him to see a good flower essence counselor someone who is familiar with the bach essences .
they can help and they have no side effects. of course he has to be willing to go to this person.
norral

[Plenum]

I live with someone who sufferers painfully from this along with crippling self-doubt. I'd like some advice

Over the years I have tried many things to 'help' from getting him into hospital at his worst during a breakdown.
To nothing at all, but just being there as he goes through it.
I can see now that in the past I have at times let him rely on me to much, but since I have had children to care for too and have become more awake I realise this is not helping him.

As a person, he's highly sensitive and very creative, as a child of 8 his teacher told his mum she'd never met an infant with such a highly developed sense of morality.
He sees threw bulls*ht easily, and is very intelligent.
Has always stood up for what he believes in and feels totally lost here much of the time. (He's much more of a typical wanderer than me -I feel I've been kicking about here forever and have deep connection and love of this place we call earth)

He’s tried all kinds of things to help himself from CBT to more philosophical/ spiritual stuff.
He lives a life he likes, doing a job of his choosing.

When I talk with him and he asks for my help/opinion - what I share with him seems to help... yet he doesn’t follow up info I pass to him to read.
He lacks the ability to stop the dark thoughts, or even control his thoughts in the way that seems normal to me.

hi Andy, I hope your friend is doing better.

I also have a friend who has dealt with dark moods for many many years. Lack of self confidence, rage against the world, feeling undervalued, etc etc.

he has worked through much of this, and I would dare say, is almost free from these anxieties and moods. He is much wiser after the experience.

- -

question is, unless you came into the world as a depressed baby (and there are cases of this, for kids born to addict mothers, and the child inherits the opium addiction etc), there was a time when one DIDN'T have this condition.

some have their first experience of depression when they are 15, others 12, others 32, some say they first had it when they were 5 or 7.

Point is, there was a trigger point in time/space. Some experience, some event, some vaccination, *something* changed.

it has been useful (in my experience) to explore the past, and ask questions. In many ways, paid therapy or talking therapy is exactly this.

but one can do this for oneself too.

[abstrktion]

I realize that @ndy wrote this in 2011, but it seems like a great thread on depression as so many have added their thoughts and coping mechanisms.

Here is another...
Negativity is generated by the combined emotions, thoughts, deeds, etc. of evolving humanity. Because thoughts are things on another level; every time we sit brooding in our own negativity, grudges, anger, fear, lust, hate, etc., we build more of this "cloud." This becomes so great that it becomes a conditioning influence on all of humanity and makes it harder and harder to be in and of Love and Light.

That's where the Reconciliators come in. I believe Christ was one. In the garden, he suffered for our sins--i.e., he transmuted part of this cloud.

Pure souls from other places and of different planes than the Christs have come to help out too...Unfortunately, the Wanderers have to forget how to do this consciously, but many work on this in meditation.

But I think there are those who came in to do this in a very specific way. They take a fuller dose of emotional muck in order to change its nature within themselves--and the extra emotional muck isn't of their own creation, so in a way, they are taking on a "savior" function, even if they may not be able to take in quite so much as one of the Christs.

So in terms of depression, it might actually feel like one was being attacked by external forces. But what becomes imperative is that the one suffering understand that this is not his muck, that if he can alter one thought, one emotion, he does this for the All. Loving in this kind of situation is what these kinds of lives are all about. The ones who succeed in transmuting the muck and living in love trailblaze for others in the same condition and assist in helping lift the burden of their brothers and sisters who are still struggling. It was very heartening to read the thread because so many here seem to have experienced this darkness and have worked diligently to bring themselves back into Love and Light.

What follows is the text that prompted my thoughts...seems pretty obvious that the Wanderers do this now that I write this down, but it seemed to come clear to me in a different way after reading this:

"The Planetary Being may be conceived of as having the mass karma of the Earth, and all life on the Earth must be lived in relation to that karma for it makes the mental atmosphere in which we live and move and have our being" (The Cosmic Doctrine, 106). (NB-the Planetary Being isn't the same as the Great Spirit of Earth that is evolving).

"The Lords of Mind are the initiators of our present evolution...They it is who, able to react upon all planes of manifestation, range up and down the planes, performing adjustments by exercising compensatory stresses when the faculty of epigenesis has disordered an evolution" (Cosmic Doctrine, 82).--which is to say they fix things when free will gives rise to new muck that doesn't match the natural order of the One.

"It will be seen then that the essence of evolution is unification; and the manifestation of athe unificatory principle upon the planes of manifestation is Love. Whether that love be intellectual sympathy on the plane of the concrete mind, or physical unity on the plane of matter, Love in all its aspects is the symbol of the Logos as One...Whoso loves, however dim may be his concept of Love, is manifesting a unification, and unification is the goal of Evolution. God is One. Love makes one--therefore it is truly said "God is Love." Whosoever expresses Love, brings Spirit, which is One, into manifestation. To be separate is to be dead. Therefore, choose Love and live" (The Cosmic Doctrine, 133).