Universe and Octave

[AnthroHeart]

Are Universe and Octave the same thing?
Or are other universes within this same Octave?

[anagogy]

There are many universes under one octave.

[Lighthead]

There are many universes under one octave.

This is a good question. I would have created this thread eventually to ask this question so I could be sure. I think you're wrong, anagogy (but I would appreciate verification from somebody else). Ra (and Q'uo) mention that the 8th density begins when a black hole pierces into another universe. Since 8th density is the next octave, you can infer that that is the beginning of another universe. Like I said, I'd like verification. I'm also too lazy to bring up the quotes, but I'm positive that they are there.

The only thing is that the sub-densities, sub-sub-densities, and so on are so infinite, that they are comparable to other universes. But that statement was so complex (by Ra) that even Don had trouble wrapping his head around it.

[anagogy]

This is a good question. I would have created this thread eventually to ask this question so I could be sure. I think you're wrong, anagogy (but I would appreciate verification from somebody else). Ra (and Q'uo) mention that the 8th density begins when a black hole pierces into another universe. Since 8th density is the next octave, you can infer that that is the beginning of another universe. Like I said, I'd like verification. I'm also too lazy to bring up the quotes, but I'm positive that they are there.

The only thing is that the sub-densities, sub-sub-densities, and so on are so infinite, that they are comparable to other universes. But that statement was so complex (by Ra) that even Don had trouble wrapping his head around it.

52.12 Questioner: Thank you. In mentioning, in the previous session, the harvest, you mentioned the light-bringers from the octave. Am I to understand that those who provide the light for the gradation of graduation are of an octave above the one we experience? Could you tell me more about these light-bringers, who they are, etc.?

Ra: I am Ra. This will be the last full query of this working.

This octave density of which we have spoken is both omega and alpha, the spiritual mass of the infinite universes becoming one central sun or Creator once again. Then is born a new universe, a new infinity, a new Logos which incorporates all that the Creator has experienced of Itself. In this new octave there are also those who wander. We know very little across the boundary of octave except that these beings come to aid our octave in its Logos completion.

28.13 Questioner: Thank you. Do all of the individualized portions of the Logos, then, in our— I’ll call the lenticular galaxy that we are in, 250 billion suns, or stars, I will call that the major galaxy just so we will not get mixed up in our terms. Does all the consciousness, then, in this individualized form that goes into what we are calling the major galaxy start out and go through all of the densities in order, one, two, three, four, five, six, seven or— then to eighth— or is there, shall I say, some who start higher up the rank and go in a— so that there is always a mixture of intelligent consciousness in the galaxy?

Ra: I am Ra. The latter is more nearly correct. In each beginning there is the beginning from infinite strength. Free will acts as a catalyst. Beings begin to form the universes. Consciousness then begins to have the potential to experience. The potentials of experience are created as a part of intelligent energy and are fixed before experience begins.

However, there is always, due to free will acting infinitely upon the creation, a great variation in initial responses to intelligent energy’s potential. Thus almost immediately the foundations of the, shall we call it, hierarchical nature of beings begins to manifest as some portions of consciousness or awareness learn through experience in a much more efficient manner.

The plurals would seem to indicate there are multiple universes.

[Lighthead]

52.12 Questioner: Thank you. In mentioning, in the previous session, the harvest, you mentioned the light-bringers from the octave. Am I to understand that those who provide the light for the gradation of graduation are of an octave above the one we experience? Could you tell me more about these light-bringers, who they are, etc.?

Ra: I am Ra. This will be the last full query of this working.

This octave density of which we have spoken is both omega and alpha, the spiritual mass of the infinite universes becoming one central sun or Creator once again. Then is born a new universe, a new infinity, a new Logos which incorporates all that the Creator has experienced of Itself. In this new octave there are also those who wander. We know very little across the boundary of octave except that these beings come to aid our octave in its Logos completion.

28.13 Questioner: Thank you. Do all of the individualized portions of the Logos, then, in our— I’ll call the lenticular galaxy that we are in, 250 billion suns, or stars, I will call that the major galaxy just so we will not get mixed up in our terms. Does all the consciousness, then, in this individualized form that goes into what we are calling the major galaxy start out and go through all of the densities in order, one, two, three, four, five, six, seven or— then to eighth— or is there, shall I say, some who start higher up the rank and go in a— so that there is always a mixture of intelligent consciousness in the galaxy?

Ra: I am Ra. The latter is more nearly correct. In each beginning there is the beginning from infinite strength. Free will acts as a catalyst. Beings begin to form the universes. Consciousness then begins to have the potential to experience. The potentials of experience are created as a part of intelligent energy and are fixed before experience begins.

However, there is always, due to free will acting infinitely upon the creation, a great variation in initial responses to intelligent energy’s potential. Thus almost immediately the foundations of the, shall we call it, hierarchical nature of beings begins to manifest as some portions of consciousness or awareness learn through experience in a much more efficient manner.

The plurals would seem to indicate there are multiple universes.

I was trying to form a counter-argument to your reply (with sources), but while looking up the sources, I realize that you may actually be right (at the very least, semantically).

I'm sorry that I seem to always be trying to refute what you say!   I myself have realized this. Maybe we were on opposing sides of a debate team in a past life. I'd say that you were probably more often the winner.

[AnthroHeart]

The Octave is the Creator.

[anagogy]

I was trying to form a counter-argument to your reply (with sources), but while looking up the sources, I realize that you may actually be right (at the very least, semantically).

I'm sorry that I seem to always be trying to refute what you say!   I myself have realized this. Maybe we were on opposing sides of a debate team in a past life. I'd say that you were probably more often the winner.

No need to apologize friend.  Disagreements are what make discussions interesting in the first place.  I don't take offense so easily, haha!  

To be honest, I don't find it a particularly important distinction either way.  

I mean, at the end of the day, what, pray tell, is the significance of yet one more eddy in the illusory stream of manyness, what with the already endless infinity of space, time, dimensions, densities, probable realities, parallel realities, nondimensional realities, and god know what else?  

In a world of illusory distinctions, it is the *unity* that is the thing of import.

Cheers. 

[Lighthead]

No need to apologize friend.  Disagreements are what make discussions interesting in the first place.  I don't take offense so easily, haha!  

To be honest, I don't find it a particularly important distinction either way.  

I mean, at the end of the day, what, pray tell, is the significance of yet one more eddy in the illusory stream of manyness, what with the already endless infinity of space, time, dimensions, densities, probable realities, parallel realities, nondimensional realities, and god know what else?  

In a world of illusory distinctions, it is the *unity* that is the thing of import.

Cheers. 

I really enjoyed the portion I highlighted. Very good insight. That's one of the things that I really do appreciate about the Law of One; that the law implies that everything is One.

[AnthroHeart]

All becomes One, until the next Octave, when we repeat separation.

[Lighthead]

All becomes One, until the next Octave, when we repeat separation.

That's something that's hard to know (but seems likely). Ra mentioned that there are Wanderers from the next octave, but I have no idea who those could be. I'm not even sure if any have visited 3rd density.

Even if the next octave did start with separation, it would be beginning with a fundamentally more efficient use of love and light that we normally handle here. That's what I believe.

[AnthroHeart]

Maybe in the next octave there's a density of defiance? Where you have to defy others to the extreme to graduate.
That would make it hard. I wonder if the next Octave is more difficult to graduate.
Or maybe it's truly timeless.

[Lighthead]

Maybe in the next octave there's a density of defiance? Where you have to defy others to the extreme to graduate.
That would make it hard. I wonder if the next Octave is more difficult to graduate.
Or maybe it's truly timeless.

Who knows. Not even Ra really knew.

[AnthroHeart]

Ultimately I am the Octave. I will become what I will become.

[AnthroHeart]

Intelligent energy is fascinating. If you think yourself sick or dead, you become sick.
It's like ripples in the Field. Organized by Thought.