Yellow Ray: interaction and participation

[xise]

What about fear in dreams? When we're dreaming, are we experiencing blockages or activations of energy centers?

Yes.

[AnthroHeart]

So dreams are another avenue of balancing opportunity. I seem to respond differently in dreams because there is no impediment between how I feel and how I act. In waking life I have that thing that keeps me from acting foolishly. But in dreams, there seem to be no consequences for what one does.

[Spaced]

I don't think that balancing occurs in dreams, rather I think that dreams can reveal what needs to be balanced.

[Sagittarius]

They focus on feelings so they may conjure up many different spaces which instigate or involve a certain feeling or set of feelings you are exploring. You feel feelings regress and grow which stimulates or feeds the mind in waking life.

[native]

I think an interesting word to consider in Ra's quote in 19.13 is the word "quickest". In that word, they seem to say that "learning" (aka: spiritual evolution) is accelerated through interacting with other selves. Not only that, but I suppose that the word "quickest" implies that the maximum speed is made available through the mirroring effect of other-selves. (Which isn't to say the third-density entity will efficiently use this mirroring effect and achieve the "quickest" learning.)

You make a good point. I just wonder how far along one can polarize by going within. My experience has been that understanding oneness, and fully putting that understanding into practice through interaction and the inevitable friction are two very different things. The latter seems to offer deeply humbling realizations, especially when it involves intimate relationships.

As a side note, I figure if we're all going to merge with each other I better get used to opening up and socializing

[native]

"76.9 After a period of study, the discipline mastered sufficiently, the seeker may then complete the more important step: that is, the moving beyond the written in order to express in an unique fashion its understanding, if you may again pardon the noun, of the archetypical mind."

[zenmaster]

Introversion has little to do with being uncomfortable with oneself. It's an attitude engendered by a psychological disposition where fulfillment or compelling interest is on balance provided by one's interiority. Coming out of a shell or becoming more comfortable with oneself is just balancing work with catalyst. Avoidance of that balance would be something rather like shyness or social anxiety.

Whether or not it fits the technical definition of introversion, I think the term "introversion" is synonymous with painful inability to socialize and interact with others. That impairment causes one to dwell within, somewhat or totally shut away from the outer world.

Sometime, you might want to sit down and read a book called "Psychological Types"...

[Steppingfeet]

You make a good point. I just wonder how far along one can polarize by going within. My experience has been that understanding oneness, and fully putting that understanding into practice through interaction and the inevitable friction are two very different things. The latter seems to offer deeply humbling realizations, especially when it involves intimate relationships.

Regarding how far one can polarize by going within, I believe that one can go the whole nine yards in that direction.

In the end of course there is neither "within" nor "without", nor is there inside or outside.

But, I think if we are going to attempt to conceive of the situation in language, "within" points most truly to the nature of the situation. I say this because it seems that any point in space, any place in time, any entity, any density, any source of intelligent infinity is within you, that is to say, within your awareness --- all of creation arises within your awareness.

So I think it is that spiritual instruction in general is oriented to the within because most incarnate beings, my self included, have our attention consumed by objects. Be they objects that appear outside of our skin, or the objects that constitute the perceivable contents of our consciousness, e.g.: emotions, thoughts, sensations, feelings, memories, and all movements of mind and body, including that which is subconscious. All are objects of attention.

Meanwhile, we are oblivious to the awareness that contains the creation, the awareness within which this outer play unfolds. Meanwhile there is a witnessing presence within (or behind, or underneath) that is aware of ALL phenomenon, including and especially the phenomenon of the individual "I", but is itself unseen.

So we are directed to persistently dive within in order to push back into the source of our awareness, and merge into it.

And eventually the dual framework of subject-object, or within-without, gives way to non-duality, and the witness merges into the objects of its attention; emptiness and form become one.

Ramana Maharshi: "Because your outlook is externally directed you speak of a without. In that state you are advised to look within. This within is relative to the without you are seeking. In fact, the Self is neither without nor within."

As a side note, I figure if we're all going to merge with each other I better get used to opening up and socializing

Yeah, I don't think there's any anti-social folks in fourth density.

Sometime, you might want to sit down and read a book called "Psychological Types"...

Can I stand while doing this?

(Someday I will read Jung.)

[AnthroHeart]

I don't think that balancing occurs in dreams, rather I think that dreams can reveal what needs to be balanced.

You're right. Ra said that balancing cannot happen in time/space. One can only forgive the self for that which is.

[Horuseus]

"Dreams are one of your greatest natural therapies, and one of your most effective assets as connectors between the interior and exterior universes."

"The great interconnections between waking and dreaming experience... You do not realize the many physical problems that are solved for you, and by you, in your dreams.

This happens very frequently when you consciously set the problem before yourself, state it clearly, and then drift into sleep. The same thing happens, however, even without such a conscious set. Dreams give you all kinds of information concerning the state of your body, the world at large, and the probable exterior conditions that your present beliefs will bring about."

If there are chemical imbalances they are often corrected quite automatically in the dream state, as you act out situations calling up the production of hormones...

By such constant dream therapy, both body and mind regulate themselves to a large degree. So your flesh is affected by your dreams.

As you come to understand the nature of your own beliefs, you can learn to use the dream state more effectively for your conscious purposes. It is one of the most efficient natural therapies, and the inner framework in which much of your physical body building actually takes place.

Some of the drugs given to "mental" patients impede the natural flow of dream therapy to varying degrees.

[Fang]

Introversion isn't being shy, some people need to be alone to "recharge" (introvert) and others attain that by socializing. Also, it's a scale and not as simple as being entirely one or the other in regards to behavioral tendencies.

I don't think that balancing occurs in dreams, rather I think that dreams can reveal what needs to be balanced.

Yeah, symbolic representations of the current psychic state and the imbalances therein which can be addressed in the waking state.

[native]

Gary - Certainly, I agree with all of that. I think one can polarize minimally in terms of the poker game analogy by going within, but in terms of building will and faith, channeling energy through the higher centers with little distortion, I believe that can only be done by encountering your reflection. I wasn't clear in what I meant by within, so I think we're kind of circling two different concepts.

There seems to be general polarization, then the ability to perform great healing. By that I mean the most illuminating, powerful, and beautifully humbling experiences I've had involved personal catalyst with others. It seems to be in those moments where the deepest levels of polarization are achieved. So I would say the experience of discovering a jewel can only be done by dealing with others. While there is that internal process, I think it is the interface between self and other that builds a type of strength which empowers the seeking process described in 10.14. All of what you said applies though.

[Steppingfeet]

Icaro wrote: "I believe that can only be done by encountering your reflection."

Hi Icaro, would it make sense to change the word "only" to "most efficiently" in that sentence? I would like to think that even in the absence of the reflection other selves offer (other selves of ones own density, not talking about coconut trees and koala bears here) will and faith can still be developed, polarity can still be gained.

Though it becomes much more difficult to think about polarization in the absence of other selves. Like trying to bake bread without heat.

(Ra does say that isolation from others is a means of evolution in fifth density, but, if memory serves, they describe that process as one of intensification rather than polarization.)

Then there is the idea of "all-sufficient" that speaks to the potential non-necessity of other selves. Ra describes catalyst, whether originating from the proximate source of other selves of the primary source of the self, as being designed to engender the realization of the "all-sufficient Creator containing all that there is and full of joy". http://www.lawofone.info/results.php?q=34.6

I highlight "all-sufficient" here to bring attention to the allness of self that does not precisely "need" other selves. Perhaps it is as Tolle discusses suffering: suffering is needed only till it is realized that suffering is not needed. Likewise with the reflections offered by other selves?

Icaro wrote: "So I would say the experience of discovering a jewel can only be done by dealing with others. While there is that internal process, I think it is the interface between self and other that builds a type of strength which empowers the seeking process described in 10.14."

I think we're on the same page, but just to expound a bit more... the idea of "within" that I'm working with isn't within to the exclusion of working with or relating to other selves.

I agree with you that the catalyst (reflection) provided by other selves is absolutely fundamental to evolution of the third density entity, especially as it facilitates polarization and the development of will & faith, but the relationship between self and other self nevertheless transpires in a context or framework of going within.

In the sense I described in my previous post, *all* things are "within", so to speak, including the dance between selves of the same density. I don't necessarily intend "going within" to mean literally or figuratively stepping into a cave and avoiding people like mountain lions. Rather, seeing that all things, including and especially relationship with others, happens within ones awareness; and in that respect it is only by going within and seeking the source of that awareness (motivated by the fuel that other selves provide the process) that realization of self results.

Or something like that.

I love seeing the fruit of working with others as a "jewel". Thanks for reintroducing that thought back into the brain. : )

[AnthroHeart]

I think working with others aids in harvestability. It gives opportunity to express love/light to other selves. I agree it can help us discover a jewel. I like to present the jewels I find in myself to Creator as gifts.

[native]

Hi Icaro, would it make sense to change the word "only" to "most efficiently" in that sentence?

I don't think so, due to what you said about the difficulty you describe. I see will, which could also be described as strength or perseverance, as being hard to develop without experience.

To use a general root example, I think we all would agree that sexual energy needs to be shared more freely here. It's something we can talk about philosophically and understand, yet I'm sure we've all encountered that dreadful sinking feeling of finding out that someone you're interested in is also sleeping with someone else. Yet by working with the catalyst over time, you can eventually get to a place where encountering that in the future becomes ok..because of course love should be able to be freely shared. So it's one thing to have a "polarized" thought about something, but putting it into practice is something else entirely. The latter is development of will, which can only nurtured through interaction.

So I would say that experience is the greatest teacher, capable of determining whether or not one can give freely to their reflection. "Thus, each may aid each by reflection."

I highlight "all-sufficient" here to bring attention to the allness of self that does not precisely "need" other selves. Perhaps it is as Tolle discusses suffering: suffering is needed only till it is realized that suffering is not needed. Likewise with the reflections offered by other selves?

I think Ra is mostly referencing the ability of one to produce happiness within in the absence of support from another. But yes certain reflections (experience encountered) should fall away once they're no longer needed. In 61.6 though there is reference to a withdrawal from the natural functions in relation to another as possibly being imbalanced towards a love of self. So in the grand scheme of things, one may not need others, but with all the suffering in the world, others need help in general ways.

In the sense I described in my previous post, *all* things are "within", so to speak, including the dance between selves of the same density. I don't necessarily intend "going within" to mean literally or figuratively stepping into a cave and avoiding people like mountain lions. Rather, seeing that all things, including and especially relationship with others, happens within ones awareness; and in that respect it is only by going within and seeking the source of that awareness (motivated by the fuel that other selves provide the process) that realization of self results.

Or something like that.

I love seeing the fruit of working with others as a "jewel". Thanks for reintroducing that thought back into the brain. : )

We agree