So, what does penetrating the veil truly entail?

[Minyatur]

I am in a wanderer-wanderer relationship=)

It's a form of social memory complex.

[Zachary]

Besides, I love how Ra answers the followup:

89.40 Questioner: What was the attitude of these two entities after they graduated into fourth-density negative and, the veil being removed, they realized that they had switched polarities?

Ra: I am Ra. They were disconcerted.

Sometimes I suspect Ra has a very dry\deadpan sense of humor.  Either way, I feel like the Wanderers in question must have made a deliberate decision to remain negative since, having recalled what they used to be, they must have been in a position to decide which "path" to head down in their future work.

It's my understanding that this was simply the most accurate answer for Ra to give- no humor involved. 

They met the requirement for a negative harvest through STS actions in the form of slaughtering other-selves. This placed them in a negative time/space where the only option for them was to go forward with the path they had chosen while incarnate. Due to the particular Laws in place they had no choice but to move forward on the negative path, being in a negative time/space, until they could accumulate enough polarity to began a reversal process; this is karma. Having entered the negative time/space and going through the life review/regaining memory of their previous polarity, it was rather shocking and unsettling for them due to the extremeness of the perceived "misstep" (I am assuming) in relation to the plan they had prior to incarnating on Venus.

[Minyatur]

Penetrating the veil to me was openning myself to suffering which I was scared of, my veil was lifted (mostly) when I found beauty in feeling another's pain. 

Then I saw the world for the first time in such a long time, this world is beautiful, this world is light and love, this Universe is light and love. We all are marvelous beautiful souls, each of us and everything around us.

Not one day in this human life had I truly seen how great this world is, nor remembered how great this whole beautiful Octave is.

Sincerely love you all, the STO path is hard and very very troublesome but god it is beautiful.

[Indigo Light]

Yes the sto path is the path of sacrifice. To sacrifice to flow into Infinity.

[Minyatur]

Yes the sto path is the path of sacrifice. To sacrifice to flow into Infinity.

And sts path is the path of foreverness, to avoid reaching back into infinity.

[Infinite Unity]

Penetrating the veil to me was openning myself to suffering which I was scared of, my veil was lifted (mostly) when I found beauty in feeling another's pain. 

Then I saw the world for the first time in such a long time, this world is beautiful, this world is light and love, this Universe is light and love. We all are marvelous beautiful souls, each of us and everything around us.

Not one day in this human life had I truly seen how great this world is, nor remembered how great this whole beautiful Octave is.

Sincerely love you all, the STO path is hard and very very troublesome but god it is beautiful.

I agree whole heartedly

[SeekOne]

I have pierced a number of veils but I certainly have yet to pierce the veil.

The desire within is akin to a desert thirsting for rain. It makes me wonder deeply of my ''previous'' orientation. Perhaps STS. In the same breath, the desire may still be STO oriented in that in order to be of maximum service, this unspeakable event must occur.

Over complexification of this thought-form is likely of little value yet I would bet others resonate with where I am coming from. It could simply be put in other words by saying that the desire for atonement with the Creator is like an inextinguishable/unstoppable raging fire the size of the world. The veil from which my dual/separative words spring is crystal clear to me yet, at least from the English implementation, language is a tricky medium of communication. Of course, I am already ''at one''. AND, I am experiencing separateness. It is a gift/joy yet due to the nature of the circumstances/events/experiences this lifetime has engendered, I cannot help but to be at times calmly but at others times ferociously adding trees and gasoline to the blaze.

Rereading this is quite funny. My non-solidified orientation is blatantly apparent. I have such a desire to be of service and have been of much over the course of my adult life whilst simultaneously the desire for 100% STS type spiritual practice equally beckons. Another part of me acknowledges the STO/STS ''boxes'' as limited where in actuality they are not. Hah!

[dev]

As is well known to all of us there exists in place the necessary veil which - causing us to forget that we are all individuated aspects of one grand Creator - allows the mechanisms of Free Will to function by giving us a purity of experience for our life experiences so that we may ultimately learn and polarize on the path towards penultimate unity. Were there no veil in place the game would be far too easy for everyone, and there would ultimately be no propensity for mistakes (learning opportunities) and our own choosings.

Now, when one speaks of "piercing the veil" what does it truly mean? I mean, if you consider simply knowing that we are all Creator and various other facets of the LOO and existence then one could say that every single person who frequents this forum and reads through the Law of One has pierced the veil just from reading this information source beingness! But this is not the case, as I'm sure that there are many (including myself) who, while being keenly aware of the Law of One, can sometimes stray. So if just knowing it isn't piercing the veil fully, then what is?

I think I might have pierced the veil personally; I say this because somehow I am able to know exactly WHY every experience I have from now on occurs, and I can gather the exact lesson I am trying to be shown, and I also am 95% certain that I know full well WHY I incarnated here and my mission (which day by day I am doing what I can to work towards). I also feel I am very in tune with the Universe... for example, by simply willing or desiring a small breeze on a particularly hot day I am given the breeze in that instant, I never have to wait for the traffic lights to change anymore when I cross the street, trains and buses will come the instant I get there, etc. Just small things that are little signs that are telling me "you indeed do exert influence over your own dream of life".

Day by day it feels like more and more data and understanding is downloaded into my head as I am coming more to terms with what is meant by truly seeing yourself and all other selves as "Creator". I don't know, what are all of your opinions?

Namaste

Hi there,

I'm new to this forum so please bear with me

I've been studying Ra for about a year now, and still continue to study the material. I'm finding every time I read it I realize and learn new things.

I'm relating this, since I think it's relevant for the following reasons : Ra routinely stresses the importance of meditation on a daily basis (which I very rarely get enough time to) Also, Ra states that the Indigo Ray is the gateway to Intelligent Infinity. If you combine these two things, then you have your answer.

Anyway, I believe I managed to contact my higher self while trying a variation to my normal meditation method. Whether or not this would be considered piercing the veil, I'm not sure. I guess if I were asked to choose, I would say I did pierce the veil.

What I saw visually was hard to describe, but I'll try to.

First of all I saw what could be something like the "crab nebula" I then moved through this and saw a tunnel, with all my past lives playing out on panels along the inside, stretching on for as far as I could see.

What I was shown is very hard to explain. The closest I can describe it would be like that feeling of coming home, but 1,000,000 times that, along with an immense sense of familiarity and connectedness to everything.

This emotion and (energy?) was far too much for me to handle (let alone comprehend) and I had to cut the meditation short, otherwise I felt I would become overwhelmed.

The mediation method I use is what Ra calls the "passive meditation" method. My intent of the meditation was to know / explore myself, intent of the meditation being so important.

I haven't attempted this again, and I don't plan to any time soon. I'm not sure I could handle it again!

[kristina]

What I mean by "same place" is the place where we exist without the veil. If there is such a place, why would anyone choose to enter into a place with the veil under the guise that the veil somehow facilitates our journey to the place where there is no veil? It doesn't seem like a conscious decision anyone would make without being forced to do it.

It seems that you are reducing conditions of being to 'places', and further those places to some kind of duality - that place that has a veil and that place that doesn't. However, evolution is like an upward spiral conducted by an infinitely unique consciousness - it's not 'there' and 'here' because neither of those things exist other than as logical abstraction. Although this existence does tend to reinforce that notion and many other concepts that have to do with limitation of thought and being. (I am thankful for that) Non-veiled existence is just another way to learn about self with a different set of tools for utilizing spirit.

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This is where you can get to know yourself up close and personal, in a very real manner. It's here that we also lay the groundwork for what we have offered and have to enjoy 'without the veil'.

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Also, "The lack of awareness of the body’s need for liquid is unlikely without the veil", so don't forget to hydrate.

Yes, I am reducing. I am reducing for the clarity of this discussion. We cannot transcend the veil when discussing the veil. The veil isn't some magical godsend for helping us. It's a condition.

"This is where you can get to know yourself up close and personal, in a very real manner. It's here that we also lay the groundwork for what we have offered and have to enjoy 'without the veil'." <-- This is logical abstraction as well. It is formulated in the mind. It is a creation to help oneself cope with oneself.

After noticing how many times the mind is repeating, it looks more like beliefs are all abstractions of reality. Illusion*?

Did you opt to come to the Earth that is a veiled 3rd density planet? I'm not being condescending, I am seriously asking.