Important reminder as to how 4d negative reduces polarization of entities

[Oceania]

have you thought of having a facebook account for online friends only?

[3DMonkey]

have you thought of having a facebook account for online friends only?

With an alias?

[Oceania]

yeah if you want to avoid your IRL friends.

[Bring4th_Austin]

The negative entity isn't trying to "tempt" anyone. The members open the door that placed a negative entity exactly where it fits into. In a sense, they tempted the negative entity by inviting the visit. The vibrations of the call and the answer go completely hand in hand.

Only, Imo, it is the self that has a thought of doing so and the fourth density negative action that follows.

How do you reconcile this view with the terminology,

The normal gambit of such fourth-density attack is the tempting of the entity or group of entities away from total polarization towards service-to-others and toward the aggrandizement of self or of social organizations with which the self identifies.

They describe the attack as the tempting, which in my perception is opposite of what you're suggesting.

We don't need to worry about a distant negative entity seeking us out for destruction. They are touching the hairs on our arms this instant, all we need do is pick a thought that, dare I say, resonates with them.

Contrarily, Ra talks about seekers being targets for 4D Orions, especially channels. I could find some quotes if you wish, but it basically amounts to this: the stronger the call, the brighter the light, the easier for all to see, including negative entities. If one is seeking very strongly, they are higher priority targets for Orion.

This was the nature of the 5D negative companion the contact group attracted. It was explained that the reason this very rare high 5D entity focused on L/L Research was because of the intensity of their seeking through the Ra contact.

[zenmaster]

Contrarily, Ra talks about seekers being targets for 4D Orions, especially channels.

The channels are targets because they offer a 'channel' from inner-plane or outer density to this one. There's the 'window' through 'quarantine' that they can take to you, if they so desire.

Once in your presence, the 4D Orion entity will attempt to ascertain your psychic 'landscape' to determine what can be exploited. You can quite clearly see these entities, as they need to be in a rather close proximity for this concentrated effort. The 5D Orion entity, on the other hand, can do its working more remotely, subtly, and to greater effect .

[Bring4th_Austin]

You can quite clearly see these entities, as they need to be in a rather close proximity for this concentrated effort.

How-so? In what form/plane do they appear to you?

[zenmaster]

You can quite clearly see these entities, as they need to be in a rather close proximity for this concentrated effort.

How-so? In what form/plane do they appear to you?

The disembodied form is necessarily 'astral' for 4D and inner plane entities appearing to 3D. In addition, there are some thought forms that are 'etheric'. These would be the theosophical terms - not Ra's.

[3DMonkey]

The negative entity isn't trying to "tempt" anyone. The members open the door that placed a negative entity exactly where it fits into. In a sense, they tempted the negative entity by inviting the visit. The vibrations of the call and the answer go completely hand in hand.

Only, Imo, it is the self that has a thought of doing so and the fourth density negative action that follows.

How do you reconcile this view with the terminology,

The normal gambit of such fourth-density attack is the tempting of the entity or group of entities away from total polarization towards service-to-others and toward the aggrandizement of self or of social organizations with which the self identifies.

They describe the attack as the tempting, which in my perception is opposite of what you're suggesting.

We don't need to worry about a distant negative entity seeking us out for destruction. They are touching the hairs on our arms this instant, all we need do is pick a thought that, dare I say, resonates with them.

Contrarily, Ra talks about seekers being targets for 4D Orions, especially channels. I could find some quotes if you wish, but it basically amounts to this: the stronger the call, the brighter the light, the easier for all to see, including negative entities. If one is seeking very strongly, they are higher priority targets for Orion.

This was the nature of the 5D negative companion the contact group attracted. It was explained that the reason this very rare high 5D entity focused on L/L Research was because of the intensity of their seeking through the Ra contact.

I see what you mean. When I said what I did, I was trying to display that the negative entity wasn't trying to wedge its way in. It was my perception of the topic. Yes, apparently, once it is "in" the distortion vibration, it will persuade, manipulate, and tempt. I was really wanting to point out that the entity is a partner that, like you said, is attracted by us. This is what I meant by talking about them being here with us all the time and it is our thoughts that we share with them.

You see, to be honest, these higher density beings a beginning more and more, to me, to be equally or less threatening than anything we naturally find in its physical manifestation counterpart. A virus. A spider bite. Certainly we have larger dangers such as a bear, shark, etc. Even a fellow 3D with a rifle. These all too, in a phrase, seek us out. It is my perspective on this subject to relay that I don't see the 'oooo, the powerful high density are after me and will get me'. I'm not suggesting anyone particular is treating it this way. Again, it's my perspective that I'm writing.

[AnthroHeart]

So staying in a loving state without giving into fear will keep us polarizing positive? Or is it expected we will backslide a bit as we go on?

[3DMonkey]

I'd say more than expected. I'd say pre incarnately planned, just as Ra said. The distortions that will sooner or later invite others in are part of the plan. Not to say you should freely open the door or struggle keeping it shut. Either way, because whatever you do choose, is what you have chosen. There might be a negative distortion right this instant, a slight of thought, and it could be suggesting open or closed. It's all part of the experience.

[Bring4th_Austin]

You see, to be honest, these higher density beings a beginning more and more, to me, to be equally or less threatening than anything we naturally find in its physical manifestation counterpart. A virus. A spider bite. Certainly we have larger dangers such as a bear, shark, etc. Even a fellow 3D with a rifle. These all too, in a phrase, seek us out. It is my perspective on this subject to relay that I don't see the 'oooo, the powerful high density are after me and will get me'. I'm not suggesting anyone particular is treating it this way. Again, it's my perspective that I'm writing.

Oh, they're not threatening, they're just a bunch of goofy loons parading around planes we can't readily perceive, trolling our attitudes. I think to view them as threatening would be giving them an undue amount of credit/power.

So staying in a loving state without giving into fear will keep us polarizing positive? Or is it expected we will backslide a bit as we go on?

I'm not sure if that's what Ra would suggest as far as polarizing or balancing, both being required for harvest. If you're natural state is a loving state, stay that way until something comes and knocks you down. Let it knock you down, explore the feeling of getting knocked down, contemplate why you let it knock you down, and then balance it. When a similar situation arises, it won't knock you down, you'll stay steady in a loving state, then you can readily choose to serve others with no distortion. Voila, balanced and polarized.

This could apply to fear, anger, or any negative/overly positive feeling. Don't resist and overcome these things; accept them and transmute them.

[zenmaster]

What does 'giving into fear' mean? Fear is an emotional reaction caused by proximity of something undesirable within your unconscious that is about to enter awareness. The object of the fear represents a disowned aspect of self, in some manner. Fear attempts to put further distance or a dissociation between oneself and that object.

Fear is not the 'opposite of love', as fear is an unconscious reaction. Hope is the opposite of fear, as hope attempts to draw something (perceived to be) desirable towards oneself. If you consider fear to be the opposite of love, then the 'love' you are talking about is also an unconscious reaction (an emotional induction), rather than acceptance.

With either hope or fear present, there is no learning, as there can be no curiosity, interest, or attention in what is presented.

[unity100]

Oh, they're not threatening, they're just a bunch of goofy loons parading around planes we can't readily perceive, trolling our attitudes. I think to view them as threatening would be giving them an undue amount of credit/power.

and that would be an understatement. everything should be seen exactly how they are.

you would find a serial killer with a sniper rifle trolling around your neighborhood threatening. such entities are not lesser than those entities.

[3DMonkey]

What does 'giving into fear' mean? Fear is an emotional reaction caused by proximity of something undesirable within your unconscious that is about to enter awareness. The object of the fear represents a disowned aspect of self, in some manner. Fear attempts to put further distance or a dissociation between oneself and that object.

Fear is not the 'opposite of love', as fear is an unconscious reaction. Hope is the opposite of fear, as hope attempts to draw something (perceived to be) desirable towards oneself. If you consider fear to be the opposite of love, then the 'love' you are talking about is also an unconscious reaction (an emotional induction), rather than acceptance.

With either hope or fear present, there is no learning, as there can be no curiosity, interest, or attention in what is presented.

I think 'give into fear' is a catch phrase to say 'worry. dwell on troubles. focus excessively on the unwanted result of risk. or, my favorite, freak out'.

Chill

[Raman]

Unity! that's a great thought. i had not realized that self aggrandizement went with external identification majiggy.

not necessarily. but, external identification mechanic brings these. when you identify with something external, you also start accepting the effects it bring.

like how people identifying with a football team live ups and downs when the team wins and loses.

Or being a 'proud' member of a country or an ethnic group...

Goes from yellow ray to orange...instead of rays above necessary for polarization..however, the negative entity is able to polarize using those 3 bottom rays but then it would be 'manipulators' the ones able to do that..like people at the top, elite, etc...

[Plenum]

Ra said:

The usual attempts upon positively oriented entities or groups of entities are made, as we have said, by minions of the fifth-density Orion leaders; these are fourth-density. The normal gambit of such fourth-density attack is the tempting of the entity or group of entities away from total polarization towards service-to-others and toward the aggrandizement of self or of social organizations with which the self identifies.

Or being a 'proud' member of a country or an ethnic group...

Goes from yellow ray to orange...instead of rays above necessary for polarization..however, the negative entity is able to polarize using those 3 bottom rays but then it would be 'manipulators' the ones able to do that..like people at the top, elite, etc...

I think Raman has it right here. The 'temptations' offered are appeals to orange and yellow ray (personal + social power respectively).

This further underlines the importance of stabilising the first 3 energy centers (red, orange, yellow) for positive entities, lest these areas become vulnerable to manipulation.

one thing for self-observation is to see where your mind wanders in 'fantasies' or 'daydreams' ... what sort of scenarios are played out. I have seen these in myself, and it is possible to backtrack it to thoughts that are unbalanced, or memories that are unforgiven.

even entities that are trying to 'attack you' or 'manipulate you' are offering a kind of service.

[AnthroHeart]

Great insight Plenum. Def need to keep my lower 3 energy centers balanced. It's so easy to be tempted toward power.